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The Benghazi conundrum

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  • #52
    UNI4MER
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭UNI4MER


    Amerika wrote: »
    I’ve been reading that President Obama’s appointment of Susan Rice to be his National Security Adviser means he can invoke Executive Privilege to keep her from testifying before Congress over Benghazi.

    BEND OVER AND SPREAD THEM AMERICA!

    You are absolutely correct. If this was a Republican president with this scandal as well as the IRS scandal the press would be all over it and impeachment would be in the air daily. Our press for the most part carries water for the liberal democrats and continues to cover up for this administration and its policies which are slowly destroying this country. What's worse is the Republican leadership won't stand up and fight like they should leaving 1/2 the country unrepresented.


  • #53
    Mjollnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Mjollnir


    UNI4MER wrote: »
    You are absolutely correct. If this was a Republican president with this scandal as well as the IRS scandal the press would be all over it and impeachment would be in the air daily. Our press for the most part carries water for the liberal democrats and continues to cover up for this administration and its policies which are slowly destroying this country. What's worse is the Republican leadership won't stand up and fight like they should leaving 1/2 the country unrepresented.

    No, what's actually happening is that the Repub "leadership" is trying to make political hay out of 'scandals' that aren't actually scandals.


  • #54
    UNI4MER
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭UNI4MER


    Mjollnir wrote: »
    No, what's actually happening is that the Repub "leadership" is trying to make political hay out of 'scandals' that aren't actually scandals.

    Really. Blaming a video for the murders of 4 Americans? Sicking the IRS on your political advasaries? What your definition of a scandal?


  • #55
    Mjollnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Mjollnir


    UNI4MER wrote: »
    Really. Blaming a video for the murders of 4 Americans? Sicking the IRS on your political advasaries? What your definition of a scandal?


    Yawn.

    A. That's simply not a 'scandal', except, perhaps to those pathologically obsessed with making a tragedy in to a political travesty.
    B. The IRS was not 'sicked' on anyone.

    You're welcome.


  • #56
    UNI4MER
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭UNI4MER


    Mjollnir wrote: »
    Yawn.

    A. That's simply not a 'scandal', except, perhaps to those pathologically obsessed with making a tragedy in to a political travesty.
    B. The IRS was not 'sicked' on anyone.

    You're welcome.

    Then you must support the actions of this government on both issues. Sad but true.


  • #57
    FISMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭FISMA


    Mjollnir wrote: »
    A. That's simply not a 'scandal', except, perhaps to those pathologically obsessed with making a tragedy in to a political travesty.

    I'm not "pathologically obsessed," however, I do believe that politicians should not lie and that they should be held liable for the decisions they make, especially if it is determined they were negligent.
    Mjollnir wrote: »
    B. The IRS was not 'sicked' on anyone.

    Then why only conservative groups?


  • #58
    Mjollnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Mjollnir


    FISMA wrote: »
    I'm not "pathologically obsessed," however, I do believe that politicians should not lie and that they should be held liable for the decisions they make, especially if it is determined they were negligent.

    You believe politicians 'should not lie'? Oh, OK.

    Go ahead and point out the negligence.

    Then why only conservative groups?

    That simply isn't the case.


  • #59
    Mjollnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Mjollnir


    UNI4MER wrote: »
    Then you must support the actions of this government on both issues. Sad but true.

    Really? Must I?

    What actions are you referring to?

    Please be very specific.


  • #60
    FISMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭FISMA


    Mjollnir wrote: »
    You believe politicians 'should not lie'?

    Generally speaking, politicians do not lie. That is not, however, equivalent to saying they speak the truth.

    It's a lot like your posts, you do not lie, you just omit the truth.
    Mjollnir wrote: »
    Go ahead and point out the negligence.

    negligent

    b : failing to exercise the care expected of a reasonably prudent person in like circumstances


    Mjollnir, would you agree that when evidence of increasing violence is available and the people in charge do not act on that information, those in charge are negligent? Or, are you just a pundit for the Obama administration?

    • April 6th – IED thrown over the fence of U.S. consulate.
    • May 1st – Deputy commander of the U.S. embassy Tripoli is carjacked beaten, detained by armed youth. Britain and other NATO embassy’s are attacked.
    May 3rd – State Dept. declines a request from personal from the U.S. embassy worried about their safety for a DC-3. (negligence)
    • May 22nd – 2 rocket propelled grenades fired at the Benghazi office of the international committee of the Red Cross. (less than 1 mile away from the U.S. consulate.)
    • June 6th – Large IED destroys part of the security perimeter of the U.S. embassy, big enough for 40 men to go through.
    • June 10th – RPG is fired at the convoy carrying the British ambassador in daylight. (British close the consulate.)
    • Late June – International committee of the Red Cross is attacked again and they close their consulate.
    • Aug. 6th – Armed assailants carjack a vehicle with US diplomatic plates with US personal.
    • Sept. 11th – U.S. embassy in Benghazi is attacked. (Negligence and liable)
    Source
    Mjollnir wrote: »
    That simply isn't the case.

    Quid pro quo, what percentage of the cases were not conservative groups? Would you please name a few?


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  • #61
    Mjollnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Mjollnir


    FISMA wrote: »
    Generally speaking, politicians do not lie. That is not, however, equivalent to saying they speak the truth.

    It's a lot like your posts, you do not lie, you just omit the truth.

    Yawn. Where have I 'omitted the truth'?

    And, yes, generally speaking, they lie. Sorry to have to be the one to expose you to reality.

    negligent

    b : failing to exercise the care expected of a reasonably prudent person in like circumstances


    Mjollnir, would you agree that when evidence of increasing violence is available and the people in charge do not act on that information, those in charge are negligent? Or, are you just a pundit for the Obama administration?

    Spare me the gushing, hyperbolic questions. I deal with reality; if it makes you uncomfy, it's simply not my problem.
    • April 6th – IED thrown over the fence of U.S. consulate.
    • May 1st – Deputy commander of the U.S. embassy Tripoli is carjacked beaten, detained by armed youth. Britain and other NATO embassy’s are attacked.
    May 3rd – State Dept. declines a request from personal from the U.S. embassy worried about their safety for a DC-3. (negligence)
    • May 22nd – 2 rocket propelled grenades fired at the Benghazi office of the international committee of the Red Cross. (less than 1 mile away from the U.S. consulate.)
    • June 6th – Large IED destroys part of the security perimeter of the U.S. embassy, big enough for 40 men to go through.
    • June 10th – RPG is fired at the convoy carrying the British ambassador in daylight. (British close the consulate.)
    • Late June – International committee of the Red Cross is attacked again and they close their consulate.
    • Aug. 6th – Armed assailants carjack a vehicle with US diplomatic plates with US personal.
    • Sept. 11th – U.S. embassy in Benghazi is attacked. (Negligence and liable)
    Source

    And? You still have not demonstrated negligence in any substantive manner. You can pretend that issues with the Red Cross are relevant, but I'm not buying what you're selling/

    Quid pro quo, what percentage of the cases were not conservative groups? Would you please name a few?

    Ah, so you're utterly unfamiliar with the actual details of the matter. Why didn't you just say so in the first place? Here: educate yourself.

    http://crooksandliars.com/dave-johnson/latest-lie-irs-targeted-conservatives

    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10021


  • #62
    theUbiq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭theUbiq


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    And one of the parties in the General Patraeus scandal apparently revealed classified info that she shouldnt even have known. (There could have been "prisoners" of some kind being held in the compound that the attack was designed to free).

    There's undoubtedly questions that need to be answered but Republican efforts to make this into a "scandal" is really diminishing its importance.

    It's not important at all. Why do you care about the most corrupt country in the world? Why even discuss this nonsense? 4 yanks dies in a country they didn't belong in.. Really, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more. Actually, it's a pity it doesn't happen more. Warmongers might be persuaded to stay in yankland and fix their broken country. 50 million yanks live below the poverty line yet they insist on spending most of their money on Arms. Greatest country in the world? greatest bunch of gob****es in the world! :mad:


  • #63
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Amerika


    theUbiq wrote: »
    4 yanks dies in a country they didn't belong in.. Really, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more. Actually, it's a pity it doesn't happen more.

    The "yanks" shouldn’t have ambassadors?


  • #64
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Amerika wrote: »
    The "yanks" shouldn’t have ambassadors?

    Apparently they needed to man a place called "yankland" - sounds like an awful bloody place altogether


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