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APART FROM RELIGIOUS BELIEFS what are the arguments against gay marriage?

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  • #152
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    endacl wrote: »
    among... atheists, in my experience homophobia would be rare. The attitude would be an ill fit, cognitively speaking. I'm sure I'm wrong, but the proportion would be tiny, I'd imagine.
    Funny how gosateizm and homophobia both managed to exist simultaneously in the U.S.S.R, all the same.


  • #153
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Funny how gosateizm and homophobia both managed to exist simultaneously in the U.S.S.R, all the same.
    It did indeed. I posted about modern, sophisticated, educated athiests though. Rationalists, if you like. Not people living with the dogma of an oppressive totalitarian state.

    ;)


  • #154
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    endacl wrote: »
    It did indeed. I posted about modern, sophisticated, educated athiests though. Rationalists, if you like.
    ;)

    Not really a term to be used widely in respect of contemporary atheists, though. You need to meet a hell of a higher test of than mere atheism to be considered rational, sophisticated, or educated.

    The 'wink' smiley would be a negative indicator.


  • #155
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    yore wrote: »
    I don't want to be getting personal with you. I don't want to descend into a personal argument.


    Congratulations on your marriage and I genuinely hope you had a nice day. I do believe it meant a bit more than just a financial transaction to at least your spouse then. That's the only point i'm making. And I'm sure your families were happy with you and celebrating your day. It's a day for celebration as it's like an official recognition by society, not just religious people as I think your original post alluded to.

    lots of people do feel the need to try to prevent others from observing religious beliefs. We would have a few examples a few pages back. I'm not saying that you do. So it's kind of unfair to make that point here. but I'm explicitly dislcaiming that I'm directing it at you

    Again it gets to a grey area when people dictate that those with conservative views must conform to liberal views. Plenty of people here take the line of shouting down those that would voice a conservative opinion.

    Alright it was good day and I'm now married. No need to make reference to it again.

    If people wanna stand in O Connell street preaching the word of The Lord all day everyday, I say let em at it. If people wanna practice their religion everyday all day, I say let em at it. If people wanna use their religion to oppress others or dictate how people should live their lives, well then, they can kiss my hairy ass.

    Your missing my point entirely, I'm not making anyone conform to anything or suggesting that they should. It's their choice to marry as they see fit, not mine or anyone else's. If I'm a liberal because I believe people should have a choice to decide their own destiny, then I'm guilty again. It's your choice to be a conservative, as is your right. It's not your right to expect others to conform to your beliefs, or live by them. I'd no more tell you to stop being a conservative, than tell 2 people they can't marry.....!


  • #156
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    endacl wrote: »
    It did indeed. I posted about modern, sophisticated, educated athiests though. Rationalists, if you like. Not people living with the dogma of an oppressive totalitarian state.

    ;)


    *clicks on endacl's profile*
    *see's that he has 503 posts in the Atheism & Agnosticism forum*
    *realises that 3rd person view of "athiests being smart" is actually talking about himself*


    how f'ing sad.


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  • #157
    dj jarvis
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    wont someone think of the children....................... oh wait


  • #158
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    *clicks on endacl's profile*
    *see's that he has 503 posts in the Atheism & Agnosticism forum*
    *realises that 3rd person view of "athiests being smart" is actually talking about himself*


    how f'ing sad.

    I'm an atheist, but I've never been accused of being smart O.o


  • #159
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Not really a term to be used widely in respect of contemporary atheists, though. You need to meet a hell of a higher test of than mere atheism to be considered rational, sophisticated, or educated.

    The 'wink' smiley would be a negative indicator.
    Oh, I tend to agree. Atheism doesn't imply smart. It tends to be a inevitable byproduct of smart though in many cases. I was speaking from a subjective, anecdotal position. Most of the atheists I know are smart, and most of the smart people I know are atheist. I haven't met all the atheists, or all the smart people. I'm working on it.

    Don't limit the 'wink'. Sometimes it just means ;).


  • #160
    corktina
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    i don't care what consenting adults do,;if it makes them happy, the very best of luck to them.
    I don't think I have the right to interfer in their decisions


  • #161
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    yore wrote: »
    China was officially an "athiest" country for a long time as far as I know.
    They would not be the most religious country still.

    They removed homosexuality from the official list of mental illnesses in 2001.

    2001. And not a Pope in sight. Explain that, anti-religious-nazis among you? ;)

    Who every accused religious leaders of being the only oppressive regime?

    For the record I'm not anti religion, I'm anti oppressive?


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  • #162
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    Who every accused religious leaders of being the only oppressive regime?

    For the record I'm not anti religion, I'm anti oppressive?

    According to endacl, only religious people can be against homosexual people :pac:


  • #163
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    *clicks on endacl's profile*
    *see's that he has 503 posts in the Atheism & Agnosticism forum*
    *realises that 3rd person view of "athiests being smart" is actually talking about himself*


    how f'ing sad.
    Really? I post a lot in cycling too!

    * clicks on B.A._Baracus profile.
    * realises he's not the dude from the A-Team.
    * pities the fool.

    Quit yo' jibber jabber!!

    :D

    Can we get back to the discussion now?


  • #164
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    According to endacl, only religious people can be against homosexual people :pac:
    You really should read more carefully... I'd add pictures to help you, but we can't in AH.


  • #165
    pragmatic1
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Funny how gosateizm and homophobia both managed to exist simultaneously in the U.S.S.R, all the same.
    Communism in the old USSR was a religion.


  • #166
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    yore wrote: »
    China was officially an "athiest" country for a long time as far as I know.
    They would not be the most religious country still.

    They removed homosexuality from the official list of mental illnesses in 2001.

    2001. And not a Pope in sight. Explain that, anti-religious-nazis among you? ;)

    Religion isn't important, per se.

    What is important is a trait that religion often shares with political quasi-religions like communism and fascism - authoritarianism.

    In China, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Islamic Theocracies and Catholic Ireland up until about 20 years ago (albeit to a much lesser degree - people got murdered less), you have a central moral authority that decides whats best for everyone.

    "We know better than you and can decide how best to uphold moral standards"

    If such a notion never occurred to people in the first place, the world would be a considerably better place to live in. It wouldn't matter what crazy bull**** they tried to justify their position with because they wouldn't be applying it to the lives of other people who have no interest in said crazy bull****.


  • #167
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Communism in the old USSR was a religion.
    The only argument I could put forward against gay marriage is that maybe we'll have less threads on this worn out subject in AH.


  • #168
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    According to endacl, only religious people can be against homosexual people :pac:

    Plenty of gob ****es out there that are homophobe's, I think it's more to do with low IQ's.


  • #169
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    what the hell :eek:
    Seriously take your head out of your rear.

    Next you'll be saying only white people can be racist. Seriously, get out more.
    http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/high-iq-turns-academics-into-atheists/402381.article

    Warning. Some big words.


  • #170
    shes_crazy
    Site Banned Posts: 45 ✭shes_crazy


    Gay "sex" is disgusting. I wouldn't put sh*t all over my knob from another man's ar*sehole for a million dollars.


  • #171
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    shes_crazy wrote: »
    Gay "sex" is disgusting. I wouldn't put sh*t all over my knob from another man's ar*sehole for a million dollars.
    Thought you'd have been here ages ago! Jebus, the craic can start now!


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  • #172
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    endacl wrote: »
    Atheism doesn't imply smart. It tends to be a inevitable byproduct of smart though in many cases.
    ... as is incompatibility with homophobia, you appear to be suggesting.

    Except, judging by history, the facts don't bear this out.

    You'd be hard pressed to find any atheist society in history of humankind which was not homophobic.

    The fact is that modern atheism, alongside a tendency to display less homophobia, is probably more a consequence of goof-filled TV shows expounding a liberal lifestyle than any deeper level of intellectualism.


  • #173
    shes_crazy
    Site Banned Posts: 45 ✭shes_crazy


    endacl wrote: »
    Thought you'd have been here ages ago! Jebus, the craic can start now!

    That gay "sex" is disgusting is as good a reason as any to make it illegal again.


  • #174
    StinkyMunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭StinkyMunkey


    shes_crazy wrote: »
    Gay "sex" is disgusting. I wouldn't put sh*t all over my knob from another man's ar*sehole for a million dollars.

    So is picking your nose and eating it or spitting in public, but I'm not gonna beat someone up over it or tell them they can't marry.


  • #175
    shes_crazy
    Site Banned Posts: 45 ✭shes_crazy


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    You'd be hard pressed to find any atheist society in history of humankind which was not homophobic.

    Good point.

    And you'd also be hard pressed to find any society where homosexual unions were successful and weren't anything other than an oddity.


  • #176
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Communism in the old USSR was a religion.
    I think you mean communism was a moral authority.

    Atheists, like myself, still subscribe to moral authorities.


  • #177
    joseph brand
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    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    So ... you are saying to me there is no such thing as homophobic/anti gay atheists in this world? :confused:

    The Hindu religion, Islam and Christianity preach the idea that the woman stays at home, in a state of perpetual pregnancy, hence litters of up to 15 kids.

    As we all know I'm sure, christianity pushes the idea that being gay is a sin. Religion has a code of conduct prohibiting gay couples. Put simply, religion is anti-gay.

    Now, what possible reason or argument would an atheist have against a couple of the same sex getting married?

    I'm not going to pretend that there isn't a single person in this world who is both atheist and homophobic, but I've never met one. The search continues . . . .


  • #178
    endacl
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    shes_crazy wrote: »
    That gay "sex" is disgusting is as good a reason as any to make it illegal again.
    In fairness, you probably haven't even tried it. How do you know?


  • #179
    shes_crazy
    Site Banned Posts: 45 ✭shes_crazy


    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    So is picking your nose and eating it or spitting in public, but I'm not gonna beat someone up over it or tell them they can't marry.

    I'm glad you raised the point of the nasal orifice -- use of the body's orifices contrary to their design is immoral and often unhealthy.

    If I ate a load of food and made myself sick, it would be pointless, immoral and disgusting. If I slid my hands down my underpants it would be the same. If I bummed another man it would be the same too -- pointless, self-gratuitious and unhealthy (both physically and mentally).


  • #180
    endacl
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    joseph brand wrote: »
    I'm not going to pretend that there isn't a single person in this world who is both atheist and homophobic, but I've never met one. The search continues . . . .
    That's kinda what I said. Looking forward to the response.


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  • #181
    pragmatic1
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    I think you mean communism was a moral authority.

    Atheists, like myself, still subscribe to moral authorities.
    No. It was a full blown religion.


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