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APART FROM RELIGIOUS BELIEFS what are the arguments against gay marriage?
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FYP for clarity Jill.jill_valentine wrote: »Some repressed and interfering straight people, who actually have no rational argument to back their outdated prejudices, keep trying to make it about adoption for some reason, but gay marriage is actually about gay people getting married.
Get what you meant though!
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Indeed. Who was it that said 'I'll never get married. I'll just find a woman I hate and give her a house and half my stuff'?A five year legal contract instead perhaps? I think that far too much is made of marriage myself. One of the few events that I do my best to avoid. A whole lot of expense and misery for one day.
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Think about that for a moment.In my opinion because the PC crowd are too busy mocking and pooh-poohing the people on the other side to actually try to get an idea of the underlying "un-comfortableness" they perhaps feel about it.
Feelings of discomfort fall quite a bit short of denying other people rights. Which is what those opposed to gay marriage are doing.
They're denying rights to people because it's icky and they don't like it.
How utterly ****ing childish. It'd be amusing if gay people weren't still sitting there, not being able to get married to the people they loved.
If I don't like chocolate and think it's evil I have no right to stop everyone else enjoying it. If people just minded their own ****ing business the world would be an awful lot happier.Of course, if someone says they don't like the idea, the response is to call the homophobic or stone-aged or religious freak etc. Instead of trying to address what might be their underlying concerns.
Nobody actually gives a **** what they think.
The problem is that they're forcing everyone else into complying with it.
Allowing gays to get married, on the other hand, makes absolutely no demands on straight people.Divorce only came into this country recently. Anti-religion Nazis will try to have you believe that this was due to the evil church keeping the people down. What else could have been the reason? Perhaps people felt that it would denigrate marriage. To them, marriage is something special. By bringing in divorce they felt it was a slippery slope that would lessen the institution of marriage. in other countries, the US at least, marriage is often something that people enter into with a view of "This might be fun for a few years". Is marriage more of an institution in Ireland than say the US? I would say yes, it still is. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? Some would say it's good and some would say not. Of course, you will all be able to give me specific example of your friend blah blah but I'm talking on an overall basis. Of course, if you voiced an opinion against liberalisation of divorce laws, you'd be automatically mocked as some kind of religious freak even if you never in a church in your life.
Clearly people had the will to change the divorce legislation.
It's also obvious to even the most obtuse observer that the anti-divorce drive was being pushed by the church.
Again, it doesn't matter what people think about divorce (much as it doesn't matter what they think about gay marriage). Nobody is forcing you to get a divorce or marry someone of the same gender.
This isn't about forcing your beliefs onto other people (unless you count "not acting like an asshole"). It's about preventing people from forcing their beliefs onto others.
The anti-equality side are pushing for reducing rights and authoritarian regression, the other side is pushing for freedom and people minding their own business.
What does "diluting marriage" mean?The above is an analogy for discussion on gay marriage. You may think that allowing gays to "marry" doesn't dilute anything but that is your opinion so don't think you have the right to push that on to others. Because by doing that, you will never change anyone's opinion.
It's just waffle. Hot air. Nonsense.
It's a place holder for an actual argument because those on the anti-equality side don't have anything else.
If you are married to your wife/husband today and tomorrow gay marriage is legalised, what changes between you? What has happened?
This piece of satire gets it spot on:
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Why will these things never change? In my opinion because the PC crowd are too busy mocking and pooh-poohing the people on the other side to actually try to get an idea of the underlying "un-comfortableness" they perhaps feel about it.
Of course, if someone says they don't like the idea, the response is to call the homophobic or stone-aged or religious freak etc. Instead of trying to address what might be their underlying concerns.
Divorce only came into this country recently. Anti-religion Nazis will try to have you believe that this was due to the evil church keeping the people down. What else could have been the reason? Perhaps people felt that it would denigrate marriage. To them, marriage is something special. By bringing in divorce they felt it was a slippery slope that would lessen the institution of marriage. in other countries, the US at least, marriage is often something that people enter into with a view of "This might be fun for a few years". Is marriage more of an institution in Ireland than say the US? I would say yes, it still is. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? Some would say it's good and some would say not. Of course, you will all be able to give me specific example of your friend blah blah but I'm talking on an overall basis. Of course, if you voiced an opinion against liberalisation of divorce laws, you'd be automatically mocked as some kind of religious freak even if you never in a church in your life.
The above is an analogy for discussion on gay marriage. You may think that allowing gays to "marry" doesn't dilute anything but that is your opinion so don't think you have the right to push that on to others. Because by doing that, you will never change anyone's opinion.
Does allowing gay marriage change the definition of marriage? The answer is yes. Does it dilute the meaning of marriage? Yes of course, it expands the definition; now it has more meanings. If you are against gay marriage are you automatically a zealot or homophobic or small minded? No, you might be just trying to protect the institution of marriage (as you see it). Do you have the right to push that definition of something onto others? Well in effect you are not pushing your definition onto others, you are just maintaining the status quo. Do others, so-called "liberals" have the right to push their own definition to force a change? I would say no. What is a compromise? Maybe allow the gays to have different types of union. Have something new and call it something different rather than trying to force your changes onto everyone else!
My other solution, maybe allow Gay marriage but forbid gay divorce. That'll learn them
oh and don't forget, gays could always get married. Always. And they could get married to other gays. Just not to ones of the same sex :P
The definition of marrige to me is between two people who love each other. Simple as. And while we're at it the idea of marrying for love is a fairly new concept, it used to be for uniting houses or families or clans or kingdoms or whatever, it was more of a business decision than one for something as silly as being in love.0 -
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