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Fixed Term Contracts

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  • #62
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Armelodie wrote: »
    Ok possibilities are..

    (A). Job is already spoken for but they have to go through the motions.

    (B). It's a misprint.

    (C). They have a severe shortage of winter fuel for their incinerator. The postal address is actually to the maintainance lads shed.

    (D). They want to advertise nationally to ensure the best possible candidate and are prepared to take copious quantities of caffiene pills over the summer for the expected 50,000 applications.

    Hell I may as well throw my own cv into the pot.What's the subjects again..ah who cares..

    hehe.


  • #63
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    sitstill wrote: »
    I saw this. They may exist but if nobody is redeployed into them, will go to temp members of staff. They still have to advertise and interview outsiders too though.

    Now that pisses me off, being in a queue outside an interview room and somebody beside you (or you) is already a "shoe-in" for the job. What a waste of everybody's time (and taxpayers' money). I have certainly been on the "shoe-in" side, and I'd be almost certain I've been on the pretence-filling side of interviewees.

    To think 1000 plus applications will be sent for that post, and the person who'll get it is probably in the position already and the interview is all for show. Infuriating.


  • #64
    chases0102
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭chases0102


    Very informative thread folks, although trying to get my around a lot of the terminology re different work contracts....it can be difficult at times!

    I was taken on, as a sub, during the first week of September in a school, with about 12.5 hours of class time (I'm loathe to call them 'my own hours', as they are not), and was told I'd be needed for two weeks. I'm still here now. No contract, nothing, just was told I was doing a very good job. It wasn't until end of January/February that the principal told me I'd be in the school until June.

    Just a few queries:

    I've been on the qualified hourly rate, inclusive of holiday pay. Is there no chance at all of claiming jobseekers allowance/any form of social welfare for June, July and August?

    The Principal is saying all the right things to me about prospects for next year, about a lot more hours that are 'my own'...what kind of contract would I be most likely to receive if, please God, what he says turns works out? The school is expanding numbers-wise...

    Hopefully someone can shed some light on these issues, as I said you all seem to know what you're talking about, even if does get rather complex at times! Is there any other job where the circumstances can be so bloody complicated?!?!


  • #65
    thefasteriwalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭thefasteriwalk


    chases0102 wrote: »
    Very informative thread folks, although trying to get my around a lot of the terminology re different work contracts....it can be difficult at times!

    I was taken on, as a sub, during the first week of September in a school, with about 12.5 hours of class time (I'm loathe to call them 'my own hours', as they are not), and was told I'd be needed for two weeks. I'm still here now. No contract, nothing, just was told I was doing a very good job. It wasn't until end of January/February that the principal told me I'd be in the school until June.

    Just a few queries:

    I've been on the qualified hourly rate, inclusive of holiday pay. Is there no chance at all of claiming jobseekers allowance/any form of social welfare for June, July and August?

    The Principal is saying all the right things to me about prospects for next year, about a lot more hours that are 'my own'...what kind of contract would I be most likely to receive if, please God, what he says turns works out? The school is expanding numbers-wise...

    Hopefully someone can shed some light on these issues, as I said you all seem to know what you're talking about, even if does get rather complex at times! Is there any other job where the circumstances can be so bloody complicated?!?!

    I'm the same as you, I've been in a school since August and haven't been given a contract. I may be cynical, but I think it's some kind of 'can't be counted towards a CID' ploy.

    I got jobseekers last summer and I had worked throughout the year. The payments didn't kick in until July though, because of the holiday pay.

    I'd imagine you'd either get a rpt or a fixed-term contract. Anything else, I think, would be highly suspect if they were 'your hours.'


  • #66
    chases0102
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    Thanks for that reply - yeah, perhaps it is some sort of subtle ploy to postpone CID; and yet, it is a VEC school so I don't know what the principal would gain from that.

    Redeployment now, I fear, is a big worry.

    Also thanks for info re social welfare - not being able to get it until July isn't TOO bad, I had heard from some sources that I wouldn't be able to get it for ages after finishing!


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  • #67
    thefasteriwalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭thefasteriwalk


    Is redeployment not wrapping up now, though? I'm pretty sure it has in my place.


  • #68
    chases0102
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    Apparently for in-house VEC, it can go on a bit longer. But I'm open to correction on that.


  • #69
    thefasteriwalk
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    Oh right, fair enough. I'm community.


  • #70
    rainbowtrout
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    thefasteriwalk wrote: »
    I'm the same as you, I've been in a school since August and haven't been given a contract. I may be cynical, but I think it's some kind of 'can't be counted towards a CID' ploy.

    I got jobseekers last summer and I had worked throughout the year. The payments didn't kick in until July though, because of the holiday pay.

    I'd imagine you'd either get a rpt or a fixed-term contract. Anything else, I think, would be highly suspect if they were 'your hours.'

    Were they your own hours to begin with or are you covering a maternity leave / sick leave etc?


  • #71
    teacherhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 666 ✭✭✭teacherhead


    thefasteriwalk wrote: »
    Is redeployment not wrapping up now, though? I'm pretty sure it has in my place.

    Redeployment in the Vocational Sector is known as transfer. It has been around for years and remains in place. As the VEC is the employer you can be transferred to any of its schools.

    I have not heard of redeployment wrapping up and would be very surprised if it was. Many schools employed more teachers on permanent contracts than they should have based on enrolments etc, in addition several cuts in the PTR rendered many schools over quota leading to the big problems recently.

    I am afraid that redeployment is here to stay.


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  • #72
    thefasteriwalk
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    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    Were they your own hours to begin with or are you covering a maternity leave / sick leave etc?

    I has some sick/maternity from August to October, but I was given 8 hours of my own in Sept. I received a contract for the sick/maternity, but no contract for my 8 hours.


  • #73
    thefasteriwalk
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    teacherhead wrote: »
    Redeployment in the Vocational Sector is known as transfer. It has been around for years and remains in place. As the VEC is the employer you can be transferred to any of its schools.

    I have not heard of redeployment wrapping up and would be very surprised if it was. Many schools employed more teachers on permanent contracts than they should have based on enrolments etc, in addition several cuts in the PTR rendered many schools over quota leading to the big problems recently.

    I am afraid that redeployment is here to stay.

    Oh I just meant for this year. My current school is taking in two redeployed teachers in August. We were told that was it for this year. Although it may not be, I dunno.


  • #74
    wolfyboy555
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    heard that 7 people on verge of CID's in school in Kildare were let go and hey presto 7 fixed term contracts appear on education posts!


  • #75
    evolving_doors
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    wolfyboy555 wrote: »
    heard that 7 people on verge of CID's in school in Kildare were let go and hey presto 7 fixed term contracts appear on education posts!

    So there you go, dont know if this is true or not but would this new haddington road proposal made a whit of difference...i.e. CID after 3 yrs as opposed to 4...either way they will still be let go before that crucial year comes around...it's like offering a prisoner the electric chair instead of hanging! And kieran Mulvey talks about great concessions and security for the new entrants...


  • #76
    thefasteriwalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭thefasteriwalk


    wolfyboy555 wrote: »
    heard that 7 people on verge of CID's in school in Kildare were let go and hey presto 7 fixed term contracts appear on education posts!

    Ah stop! Do they have no rights? I mean if they were let go and all posts were then advertised, surely that blatant casualisation? It's devastating for those involved if true.


  • #77
    rainbowtrout
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    thefasteriwalk wrote: »
    I has some sick/maternity from August to October, but I was given 8 hours of my own in Sept. I received a contract for the sick/maternity, but no contract for my 8 hours.

    Well the sick leave/maternity is fairly irrelevant in the greater scheme of things as they aren't your own hours, but you should have a contract for the 8 hours which are your own.

    Had a situation in my school where a teacher was there for 6 years but hadn't been given a written contract in her first two years although the hours were her own. I was rep at the time, got her CID backdated to include those two years as according to TUI when I got on to them about it paying you for the work (and a payslip is evidence of that) constitutes a contract between you and the VEC/Dept in itself.


  • #78
    thefasteriwalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭thefasteriwalk


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    Well the sick leave/maternity is fairly irrelevant in the greater scheme of things as they aren't your own hours, but you should have a contract for the 8 hours which are your own.

    Had a situation in my school where a teacher was there for 6 years but hadn't been given a written contract in her first two years although the hours were her own. I was rep at the time, got her CID backdated to include those two years as according to TUI when I got on to them about it paying you for the work (and a payslip is evidence of that) constitutes a contract between you and the VEC/Dept in itself.

    Yeah, I was fairly sure of that. I've also heard of people getting CIDs backdated, but I won't be there next year so it makes no difference to me really.


  • #79
    teacherhead
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    Armelodie wrote: »
    So there you go, dont know if this is true or not but would this new haddington road proposal made a whit of difference...i.e. CID after 3 yrs as opposed to 4...either way they will still be let go before that crucial year comes around...it's like offering a prisoner the electric chair instead of hanging! And kieran Mulvey talks about great concessions and security for the new entrants...


    The unions shouldn't tolerate this. There is no fairness or justice, natural or otherwise, in this type of carry on.

    Do you know has it been referred to the union? These things need to be fought tooth and nail. I'm guessing that these fixed term teachers aren't union members maybe too, another problem that needs to be addressed.


  • #80
    walkthewalk
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    The union have stated to my friend who has been let go after 3 years teaching that until you step foot in the school for the fourth year you have no rights. It is just an awful situation for people. He was told by his principal they cannot let staff get to year four as they cannot give out any cids. It really sickens me that Ireland has come to this, no thought at all for the continuity for students and how all this effects the education system as a whole. I know my friend is devastated.... good luck to you all.:( He is a member of Asti.


  • #81
    evolving_doors
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    walkthewalk wrote: »
    The union have stated to my friend who has been let go after 3 years teaching that until you step foot in the school for the fourth year you have no rights. It is just an awful situation for people. He was told by his principal they cannot let staff get to year four as they cannot give out any cids. It really sickens me that Ireland has come to this, no thought at all for the continuity for students and how all this effects the education system as a whole. I know my friend is devastated.... good luck to you all.:( He is a member of Asti.

    Funny, the government concession to give CID s after three years as opposed to four will mean more teachers being let go sooner....idiots..


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