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  • #602
    lurtz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭lurtz


    3 locks is alot isnt it. Thought they shouldve shared them around the provinces in terms of gametime and optimum development but seeing as Hayes and O'Flaherty are leaving theyll probably get gametime


  • #603
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Where it says Cathal O'Flaherty has not been re-contracted, does that mean that both Munster and the player mutually agreed to a release? Or is an academy spot a rolling one year contract for three years?

    Academy contracts are handed out annually i believe. So if not deemed to be progressing enough are released. Good to see lads rewarded for Comps SCT performances. Dolphin with a lot of Academy/Development lads now. Expect a big yr in UBL from them, may lose Bohane a bit to Munster, guys a talent. From the 1st yrs in the Academy i'd say the John Madigan and Darren O Shea are the best prospects. Need to see more from O Shea and needs to improve his skills substantially!

    Regarding Buckley, i've seen plenty of him and think he's a guy who would run through a brick wall for you but you'd have to point out the wall for him. Isn't the most intelligent of players, gives away the most ridiculous penalties consistently. Am surprised he's still there if i'm tbh


  • #604
    P.Walnuts
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    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »
    Academy contracts are handed out annually i believe. So if not deemed to be progressing enough are released. Good to see lads rewarded for Comps SCT performances. Dolphin with a lot of Academy/Development lads now. Expect a big yr in UBL from them, may lose Bohane a bit to Munster, guys a talent. From the 1st yrs in the Academy i'd say the John Madigan and Darren O Shea are the best prospects. Need to see more from O Shea and needs to improve his skills substantially!

    Regarding Buckley, i've seen plenty of him and think he's a guy who would run through a brick wall for you but you'd have to point out the wall for him. Isn't the most intelligent of players, gives away the most ridiculous penalties consistently. Am surprised he's still there if i'm tbh


    I'd be more concerned if it was the other way around tbh, maturity can bring about more intelligent, less petulant play. Hopefully anyway


  • #605
    ormond lad
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    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »
    Academy contracts are handed out annually i believe. So if not deemed to be progressing enough are released. Good to see lads rewarded for Comps SCT performances. Dolphin with a lot of Academy/Development lads now. Expect a big yr in UBL from them, may lose Bohane a bit to Munster, guys a talent. From the 1st yrs in the Academy i'd say the John Madigan and Darren O Shea are the best prospects. Need to see more from O Shea and needs to improve his skills substantially!

    Regarding Buckley, i've seen plenty of him and think he's a guy who would run through a brick wall for you but you'd have to point out the wall for him. Isn't the most intelligent of players, gives away the most ridiculous penalties consistently. Am surprised he's still there if i'm tbh
    They might be but you rarely hear of players being dropped after 1st/2nd year and only see players leaving after 1st/2nd year to be promoted to development contracts.
    Ulster is different and academy seems to be year on year basis.
    Good to see players recognised for playing for their school but shame clubs players not screened as much. Plenty of academy, development staff at schools games and never in same degree at the big pan munster /youths league games.
    Greg's skills are quite good and all players need to improve skills considerably.
    Don't see why Buckley wouldn't still in academy. He has another year to go so was always going to complete the 3 years. Not sure he'll be contracted next year though but has plenty of time to prove doubters wrong


  • #606
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    Can someone fill me in on how Jonny Holland, Brian Haugh and Darren Sweetham are doing for the Munster academy? Will they be brought through like Scannell or Bohane to the first team, or will they be let go? Because i've heard that they are brilliant players


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  • #607
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny


    From seeing Haugh play AIL i thought he was okay, a good goal kicker but very slow on the ball for a 9, takes too much out of the ball a lot of the time. Unless he improves his speed of play i can't see him making it at Munster. Holland has been very impressive for Cons, had a slow start to the yr from a kicking form point of view but than started nailing last minute touchline and long distance winners for Con. His game management is very strong and is supplemented well by Gerry Hurley inside him at 9. Would think he'll get Development after this upcoming season. Can't comment on Sweetnum as i haven't seen him.

    I'm very interested to seeing the young lad Cullen from Saracens that joined the Munster Academy


  • #608
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    So from what you've seen of the academy of Munster last year and this, who do you think will get a devlopment contract at the end of the next season? Because i really want Jonny Holland to get one


  • #609
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny
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    I'd expect Holland to get one


  • #610
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    Is Holland the only guy you think will get a devlopment contract? or others as well?
    sorry for the questions, i just keeping hearing things from mates that players like Holland, Ryan Murphy, and Harry Mcnulty are great players.


  • #611
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny
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    I haven't seen a whole pile of McNulty with YM but from what i have i haven't seen anything to suggest he'd warrant a development contract! Ryan Murphy may warrant one, has been exceptional for Dolphin and got A game time so he'd be in with a shout. Don't see Darren Moroney getting one, or Jack O Donoghue just yet, he may complete the 3 years in the Academy than get one. From the current crop of 2nd yrs i don't think any will skip the 3rd year of the academy like some have done recently but if one was to it would be Holland or Murphy


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  • #612
    ormond lad
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    Munster13 wrote: »
    Can someone fill me in on how Jonny Holland, Brian Haugh and Darren Sweetham are doing for the Munster academy? Will they be brought through like Scannell or Bohane to the first team, or will they be let go? Because i've heard that they are brilliant players
    Theyre doing ok. Not been involved that much at A level. Haugh has most games. Wont be let go anyway as all have years to do in academy. Haugh should be getting pro12 gametime next season. He'll have to step up with the cookies in AIL considering prendegast has left to go to France to coach.
    No reason at all that they would be let go
    Munster13 wrote: »
    So from what you've seen of the academy of Munster last year and this, who do you think will get a devlopment contract at the end of the next season? Because i really want Jonny Holland to get one
    Way too early to say anything about end of next season. This season hasn't finished ffs..
    Not sure but think Jonny Holland will get development.
    Munster13 wrote: »
    Is Holland the only guy you think will get a devlopment contract? or others as well?
    sorry for the questions, i just keeping hearing things from mates that players like Holland, Ryan Murphy, and Harry Mcnulty are great players.
    Don't rate McNulty but if Ryan Murphy keeps on playing like he has he will get development contract
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »
    I haven't seen a whole pile of McNulty with YM but from what i have i haven't seen anything to suggest he'd warrant a development contract! Ryan Murphy may warrant one, has been exceptional for Dolphin and got A game time so he'd be in with a shout. Don't see Darren Moroney getting one, or Jack O Donoghue just yet, he may complete the 3 years in the Academy than get one. From the current crop of 2nd yrs i don't think any will skip the 3rd year of the academy like some have done recently but if one was to it would be Holland or Murphy
    Jack O Donoghue is still very young and underage for Ireland 20s next season. He is potentially irish 20s captain next season though leavy from Leinster will be up there in that role.
    Moroney will not get development imo. Would rate JOD higher than Murphy


  • #613
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny
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    Having seen both lads on a good few occasions this year playing AIL i would rate Murphy much higher than O Donoghue, the age difference is only a yr or two but JOD does look a very clever operater but Murphy has a lot more physicality and grit about him. Murphy's future at 6 or 7? JOD an 8 in the future?


  • #614
    Ruck Inspector
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 373 ✭✭Ruck Inspector


    Murphy better player right now but is somewhat limited physically at the highest level. Unless he moves to openside.

    JOD has more potential than Murphy imo.


  • #615
    Ruck Inspector
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 373 ✭✭Ruck Inspector


    Good to see Lyons and O'Shea stick with Munster. Not a fan of provinces poaching guys from other provinces especially straight from school.

    Jack Cullen is an interesting pickup aswell...

    No TH taken, Brian Scott is a huge kid but pretty sloppy and raw. Probably another year in the sub-academy needed.


  • #616
    Hagz
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Good to see Lyons and O'Shea stick with Munster. Not a fan of provinces poaching guys from other provinces especially straight from school.

    The only reason there was talk of O'Shea going to Leinster, was because he was apparently going to go to college in Dublin. In which case, I wouldn't call it poaching. I'd call it logic.


  • #617
    Ruck Inspector
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    Hagz wrote: »
    The only reason there was talk of O'Shea going to Leinster, was because he was apparently going to go to college in Dublin. In which case, I wouldn't call it poaching. I'd call it logic.

    Call it whatever you want, I'm not a fan of kids who are developed in a certain provincial setup moving to another out of school.


  • #618
    ormond lad
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Murphy better player right now but is somewhat limited physically at the highest level. Unless he moves to openside.

    JOD has more potential than Murphy imo.
    Murphy to Openside is a good call. Think he's played there quite a bit at AIL level. Still young so hard to say he's limited physically at higher level. Not 20 yet.
    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Good to see Lyons and O'Shea stick with Munster. Not a fan of provinces poaching guys from other provinces especially straight from school.

    Jack Cullen is an interesting pickup aswell...

    No TH taken, Brian Scott is a huge kid but pretty sloppy and raw. Probably another year in the sub-academy needed.
    To be fair some provinces don't look to sign players and those players have a right to look elsewhere especially if going out of their own province for college.
    Wouldn't say Scott is sloppy but prob best off in sub academy for another year. O Shea could still have been in Munster academy if he did go to Dublin for college. Think Harry McNulty was in college in Dublin while in Munster academy... listed club as Dublin university for a year or so


  • #619
    Hagz
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Call it whatever you want, I'm not a fan of kids who are developed in a certain provincial setup moving to another out of school.

    I'm very much a fan of it if it means they have the opportunity to do a degree they want to do. What they do in college can set up a career path for them once they're rugby career is over.


  • #620
    Ruck Inspector
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    Pretty sure Murphy is 20 fwiw.

    He is what 6'1/6'2 100kg? decent sized but not big enough at the highest level for 6 or 8. Which is why i'm in favour of him playing 7.

    Scott is sloppy enough physically, has improved his body shape but needs to continue to lean out.


  • #621
    lurtz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭lurtz


    ormond lad wrote: »
    Murphy to Openside is a good call. Think he's played there quite a bit at AIL level. Still young so hard to say he's limited physically at higher level. Not 20 yet.
    To be fair some provinces don't look to sign players and those players have a right to look elsewhere especially if going out of their own province for college.
    Wouldn't say Scott is sloppy but prob best off in sub academy for another year. O Shea could still have been in Munster academy if he did go to Dublin for college. Think Harry McNulty was in college in Dublin while in Munster academy... listed club as Dublin university for a year or so

    Harry McNulty didnt join the academy until this year. He was in trinity for a year 11-12 but not in the munster academy,then was offered it if he came down for the 12-13 season


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  • #622
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    So if Murphy moves to a 7, and JOD will possibly replace Coughlan, and CJ hopefully gonna battle with POM for that 6 jersey, will Murphy fight O'Donnell for the Munster 7 jersey?


  • #623
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    What is going on with Barry O'Mahony, has he been injured or something, because i've never seen him play before? Is he going to be more active next season or is he just going to move on?


  • #624
    Mahatma Geansai
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    Munster13 wrote: »
    What is going on with Barry O'Mahony, has he been injured or something, because i've never seen him play before? Is he going to be more active next season or is he just going to move on?

    He's in his mid-twenties and has just finished his first season as a professional. I'm sure that the management have been monitoring his progress and we'll see more if him next year if he is thought to be good enough for pro rugby at Munster.


  • #625
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    He's in his mid-twenties and has just finished his first season as a professional. I'm sure that the management have been monitoring his progress and we'll see more if him next year if he is thought to be good enough for pro rugby at Munster.
    Ahh thanks mate, was curious as Murphy and JOD coming through, I do hope BOM proves himself next season


  • #626
    Ruck Inspector
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    3 locks is a lot, especially O'Shea who is 21 going into 1st year.

    Madigan probably has the most potential.


  • #627
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    Itll be hard for the locks in the academy now to get through, considering when POC, DOC retire, till be DR, Nagle, Foley and Holland thatll be first choice second rows


  • #628
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    BTW cant wait to see more of Dave O'Callaghan next year, looked brilliant when he played, cant wait to see him play more


  • #629
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny
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    Munster13 wrote: »
    What is going on with Barry O'Mahony, has he been injured or something, because i've never seen him play before? Is he going to be more active next season or is he just going to move on?

    He was injured for vast majority of the season, had that osteo pubis thingy that many pros are gettin is a 9month injury but caught it early so managed it well and was only out 4/5 months i think


  • #630
    ormond lad
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    Munster13 wrote: »
    What is going on with Barry O'Mahony, has he been injured or something, because i've never seen him play before? Is he going to be more active next season or is he just going to move on?
    More suited to Munster thread considering Barry has not been part of academy system for a few years. Was in academy. didn't get a contract continued to play AIL then last season got a development contract.
    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    3 locks is a lot, especially O'Shea who is 21 going into 1st year.
    Madigan probably has the most potential.
    3 is a lot but tbf POC and DOC don't have a huge amount of time left and then their will be Ryan, Holland, Nagle and Foley which isn't a lot espec when Ryan will be away with Ireland for a considerable part of the season


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  • #631
    Ruck Inspector
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    Holland is nothing special, decent squad player. Ryan is nearly 30 already anyway and Foley and Nagle are very unproven.

    3 makes sense i guess especially as they are all different ages.


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