CA is killing Quake.ie

i mean this is ridiculous. people play quake because they like it be it CA or Clan matches. For people to try and force others to play ffa or something else is pretty pathetic. As for being lefft behind in Q1 because england got there first that just does not deserve comment....

Gav

"or maybe its the fact that your l33t skills
count for sh!t in ca and thus you suck at
it?"
Thanks, I needed a laugh.

"Exactly who are these best war players?"
well of course you wouldnt know, but
currently the best wars players are ppl
like tomb, von, bunny, mickah, anjo, blade,
koopa, ol, Jay...hell lorcan is good!

"As the movies say Bring it on"
"I'll play any of your l33t war players.."
wow, two laughs in one day! thanks.
be careful though, as you run the risk
of your supposed cool falling down around
you in embarrassment as your ca skillz
fail you out repeatedly.

Death lad stop talking without thinking.

CA is fun because you can get a game
immediately. The server is the most
frequented server we have for three reasons,
they are that it is an immediate quake hit,
its easy to win, and there are always
people there.
My point is that people will not stop
playing CA cos of the reasons above.
and to the rest of you, if you want simple
fun start an ffa. duels can be exhilirating,
and wars are the most subtle
(why? cos the control of the level by
communicating and following a plan of
events and positions, reacting to enemy
movements and attacks, and redesigning
battle plans in the game...is fun).

why is it not fun? because people play quake
with their brain switched off. it can
be a tactical, intelligent game.

Perhaps a good idea would be to setup a second CA server. This one would have TP 2 and would be a step up for CA players that want a more challenging game. Where more thought is required and a bit more subtlety.
The original TP 1 server would be available for newbies to learn the essential skills of quake - rjumps, rocket fights etc. ( which CA is briiliant for ).
A TP 2 server would rock, the teamplay 1 thing is the root of all evil IMHO, with TP2 there would be spam but ppl would need more skill to implement - communication with your teammates would be required so they know whos dropping those grenades.
I used to love the whole idea of CA - no thought needed but the combination of those skills so many irish quake 1ers have now, with thought and a wee bit of intelligence makes for a vicious and more rounded, enjoyable game.

I have played Quake on and off for over a year, I'll usually pick a server that has a good ping(usually Irish). I don't give a crap if it's arena, ffa, war, etc. I just play for fun, I'm not great at the game but I do enjoy it even if I do get trashed most of the time.

In my opinion, each type of quake has it's advantages and disadvantages, but if arena is what people want to play. Quit moaning and keep playing

Whoops didn't mean to do this

[This message has been edited by Monty - the one and only (edited 14-06-99).]

Bunny - aww, I used to love camping! But I couldn't do it much because of the torrents of abuse. but *gasp* didn't someone already say that camping was essentially CA? Haven't you just said that that skill is required to win wars? hmmmm, methinks hte wars peeps need to argue unopposing points... By the way, you get the same abuse now that you used to get in a war should you camp (well, most people, everyone KNOWS where Muso is to be found. Makes it easier when you're looking for him )..

Mark - Mike isn't working today, but he should be in the house. as for the shooting debate:

Most CA players, myself included, have areas where, if it is a blind corner, we'll throw a rocket up - on the off chance. In a war (by your reckoning) people don't do that, so in a sense wars breed camping because campers are more likely to get first shot - in a war I would have thought that first shot would be even more important. In CAs the idea isn't one shot one kill, it is shoot, move, shoot (or in my case, shoot, miss, move, walk into someone else's fight and get killed by their miss ).
By breeding campers, and making movement noisy, don't wars etc, fulfill your criteria for 'not encouraging movement....boring..'?? I have 20 rockets (easy to accumulate in a war or duel - look at DM4 for example), I have red armour, I'll now sit still close enough to pent/quad and not move until my timer tells me its in. Or someone sees it and tells me.

As for the amount of rockets. In a war or duel, rockets are essentially infinite (potentially anyway). If you avoid combat you can accumulate rockets all the time. In CA they are a finite amount. You use them to stay as mobile as the others (at the cost of your silent running), it takes more of them to kill an opponent who, through returning fire, is making you dodge and therefore not hit as cleanly. Rockets get wasted hitting camping spots. If the two games aren't even on the usefulness:amount of rocks ratio, then CA actually comes out behind.

Very few people 'spam' to a recognisable extent. I throw a grenade (or two ) behind me if I am concerned about people following. I use them to set off an explosion somewhere I am not, or to make people think I've R-jumped. There are a few spammers, those that send streams of grenades. but they are a minority and it is a dying habit. (it is also quite possible to avoid a steady stream of grenades - try doing that up the lower RA stairs in DM3 - I would consider that a skill!).

The tactics in CA are different. The availability of RJs alters the advantages/disadvantages of the levels from the War way of playing. But that does not mean they are inferior. If you are using level and number of skilled players as a benchmark , please don't forget that Wars and Duels were around first. Bots can play practise for wars etc, of course the level of war or dueller skill will be higher. CA is still relatively new (or rather CA is relatively popular).

Damage Mods:
1. No self hurt

2. Damage to team mates AND self if you hit them (and CA does have a lot of teamwork involved. I find that the teamplayers will usually win and proxy comms is very important - have to get my proxy up and running at some stage)...

3. the health countdown (maybe kicks in when there are only two remaining) but counts in hundreths of remaining health ie: 300H loses 3 per count, 100H loses 1) otherwise, high health will 'wait it out'.

Bug's 200 armour 100 health idea is a good one too, should make war people feel more at home (sorry lads I would fight against pent or quad though).

back to work for me...

(hmm is this post longer than Dev's??)

J.