CA is killing Quake.ie

Get rid of all the CA servers!!!!There are hardly any decent active clans anymore.All the new players are playing CA instead of wars.There are only a handfull of war players left.What is going on !

Slosh

Hush Child....

Von

Without a large player base here there cant be many clans. Without many clans there can't be leagues or tournaments. Each UK qw clan (at least 50 clans) has on average over 15 players. Compare that to the 7 or 8 in CW (only me blade tomb are on around the same time anyway) Not everyone is available for league matches every week so they need that many. People like CA and FFA cos u can get a game quickly. Pickup wars happen later at night both here and in UK cos people can hang about longer.

Bunny

Right now, we probably have some of the best DM3 CA players in Europe.....but that counts for ****.

El_Presidente

I'd have to agree,

I'm just as guilty as anyone as playing too much CA but whenever I get the chance I always go for a war.

Maybe we could orgainise more regular times for pickup games? Trying to get an active clan together out of the player base is imposible but at least if we tryed picking a regular day and time for pickup games so that if you want to play wars then all you need to do is turn up at the right time and go.

Not an ideal situation but better then nothing.

El

pox

I hope that was sarcasm bunny, cos most
the decent quake players avoid ca like
the plague - it rots your quake talents.

I think the ca server should be shut down
and ppl will be forced to move to ffa and
duels for fun (recall if you can that duels
involve 2 people, which is astoundingly
the minumum requirement to start a ca match)
(oh, and ca duels are a joke, its a perverse
ra wannabe which requires the ability to
spam while retreating from confrontation
to attain l33t madskill scores with that
crap damage mod)

wars are they way to go and ppl like
mickah whos gone from muppet to
king ***** highscorer are a testament to
that.

DEATH

Would all the muppets kindly step back
are we making ppl come to server and play.
NO.
Do We come on to irc and flood saying WAR! WAR! WAR!.
NO.
As for quotes
"I think the ca server should be shut down
and ppl will be forced to move to ffa and
duels for fun "

Stop talking tripe perhaps if you put as much effort into setting up wars and the like for you ppl to play than you do to moaning about how gay ca is you might be able to get somewhere.

regi

Um, I think the CA servers should stay. People have fun playing on them, me included! Quake is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

Dan

Chaos

Put up a fucing ffa server insted of spam arena ffs

Cheez

I'm interested in being in a q1 clan if anyone wants me!!
i have a good aim and have played q1 before(know loads a maps etc)
i still have interest in the q1 scene being a q2er i have played clan games and the likes all i need is some bloke to explain in detail how to set up quake1 (gl) and a proxy properly n stuff
like the deoderant sure(tm) i won't let you down!!!!!

pox

ah death where do I start. I dont fully
understand what you just said, and moreover
the logic you employ is a little skewed,
but Ill proceed with what I infer from your
reactionary post.
"are we making ppl come to server and play"
Well it would have been a good point had I
ever _made_ anyone play a war.

"Do We come on to irc and flood saying WAR! WAR! WAR!"
you dont need much arranging because luckily
for you the CA server sorts you into neat
little teams and even changes your color
for you (phew, less buttons to press eh?)
However if this is a statement to the effect
that you are displeased with my and other
war enthusiast's tactics for 'making people
come to server and play' then I'll be sure
to use /msg, so the general #quake.ie
populace are unaware of the war, and it
becomes a little elitist gathering, perfect
for you twitch monkeys to jump up and down
pointing fingers in delight at the chance
for some moral highground for once.

"perhaps if you put as much effort into
setting up wars...than you do to moaning
about how gay ca is you might be able to
get somewhere"
Again death, where were this the case, then
you would have me on that one, well spotted,
good call. However, reality tells it thus:
I repeat a sentencce perhaps 3 or 4 times
in #quake.ie to the effect
'war starting 28000 now'
I then leave to join the war (and begin
the arduous task of remembering which number
the color red is, and ho-hum'ing at how silly
it is that the server doesnt decide for me,
and asking myself who wrote this mod anyway?)
If teams are uneven I go back to irc and
search for people who may be interested in
a game. I do this continually until we have
sufficient a number and the war can begin.
Thats about all one can do, but you seem
to think I should put more effort into
organising wars!? Would a poster campaign
suffice? Some bumper stickers and a billboard
perhaps? I put energy into "moaning about
how gay ca is" only when the topic arises
in a conversation, or in a thread
*GASP* thats what this is - omg hes actually
allowed express his opinion, becuase its
a discussion forum in which the subject has
arisen.
further to this quote, death, I wish to add
that I shudder to think of where YOUR idea
of 'somewhere' is.

My opinion, in case you lose it in the
muddle of trying to think up a good put-down
reply to this post:
Clan arena focuses on very few quake skills.
In irish quake we were dangerously close
to playing it with the exclusion of all else.
Wars require MANY more skills, as do duels.
Wars and duels are the stages in which
quake skills are rated on the international
scene. This therefore does not bode well
for the recognition, nor progression of
irish quake talent.

I fell asleep reading that pox.The last paragraph would have done You ****ed or summit,there ?

H_K

play som WARS and then get yo ass in dk cheez - i da man

pat

H_K

UP THE WARS


DK ARE TAKING ON PLAYERS COS WERE ALIVE

ANYONE FOR A CLAN WAR(INC) CHALLENGE US!!!!!

the patster

Koopa

pox has been angered

YOU MUST NOW PAY... YOU WILL ALLL ****ING PAY, DONT ****ING THINK YOU WONT PAY......

bbiab

but i agree with pox.

ca with self-damage on might help youre skills(sortof like RA), but the muppet version of ca that is being currently being played does nothing for you, just helps you become worse at wars/duels.

as for being the best ca players in europe, sure they cant even take ME one on one ca on a LAN(this is a challenge), what the **** are they going to do vs lakerman and the likes..

simple solution: put on teamplay 2 on the ca servers, and 200 armour 100 health.. its actually fun, we used to play it in trinity ages ago..

[This message has been edited by Koopa (edited 13-06-99).]

Jedi

Time to switch to Quake 3 lads. @#$% CA. Otherwise we are going to get left behind by the rest of europe and will end up playing catch up. Lets start getting a clan or 2 together for Quake 3.
We have a great chance with Quake 3 unlike Quake 1, were england were miles ahead before we even started net playing. If we continue to play Q1 and CA every night the same ****e will happen again.
For the last 3 nights there have been only but a handfull of irish players on the irish and english servers. I'm not going to miss the boat, are you?.

Koopa

thats a load of ****e to be fair.
you wont get good at something just playing with youre own little group, no matter how long you do it(whether you start early or late).
the UK was ahead in q1 because of the number of UK quake players, even now they have something like 40 QW clans..
same reason as america was ahead in q1 back then, cos they had higher spec machines and more people.

thresh won his ferrari on a p200, while we had to play on p75's in college labs. no wonder we couldnt do the moves in those demos.. we had **** machines, and also noone to learn the moves from(once u learn a move, its **** easy to do again).

quake3 will be a muppets game until some machine gets invented that gives constant high framerates in it, same way as the first q2'ers were muppets here(referring to q1 players beating the q2 players at q2 back then, you know who you are )

WhiteWashMan

what boat?

DEATH

I think im right in saying no matter what you say pox with all your well thought out reasons and digs the ca server will stay and continue to be the most popular as regi said ca is fun and it doesnt require the effort of learning tactics and level control required than that of wars. Fine you dont like it but does that give you the right to get it shut down ?

or maybe its the fact that your l33t skills count for sh!t in ca and thus you suck at it?

ah well we could talk all day about but whats the point. CA server will continue to exist as long as people want to have a quick game and FUN even.

[This message has been edited by DEATH (edited 13-06-99).]

WhiteWashMan

ahh right.
i was just curious like.

anyway, CA is for muppets.
should play more wars. every time i log onto the war servers everyone disconnects. i feel that you are all scared of me?
tell you what, to make it fair in future, i'll use only the axe (as long as its only a tinfoil (not tincool) one)



insert Damo V's Hobbes banter below ----V

FreaK_BrutheR

I like ca. ca is fun. if i din't like it i just wouldn't play it. i suggest this approach from the "war" mongers

El_Presidente

Hey H_K , DK taking on players eh?

When can I get a trial?

Bunny

Yeah but don;t go onto the CA server with an alias folks....or you'll just have to ignore the torrent of abuse etc.

ste

How in the name of **** does playign CA ruin ur quake talents ?

You need to be sharp, have an accurate shot, move around the level like wild fire, so HOW does that *ruin* ur quake ability?

absolute bull****.

H_K

were in #d-k on irc or any servers if u want to ask

Bunny

People play Ca for fun like...at 4 am..having a smoke or whatever..its cool.
Easier for new people too.


If you're playing a war however you actually have to use teamplay, you can't just fire rockets and grenades everywhere...and thats if you are lucky enough to have a rocket launcher in the first place. CA is just rocket arena with corners....and rocket arena is purely based on aim. Still it's alot better to play CA and take it easy, than to play Quake and be all serious about it.

LoLth

I have to admit, wars and Ca are vastly different, and while being good at one doesn't mean you'll be good at the other it doesn't mean that playing one will ruin the other. I admit I'm crap at wars. Because I have never had the practise. I have played a grand total of oh, 2, wars. CA I can play anytime. I don't need permission. I don't have to put up with elitist attitudes, I can just play and enjoy the game. I have said before that I would love to get practise at wars should they become a 'regular' occurrance. To which the reply was singularly underwhelming.

So, each to their own. If you believe that CA has that much influence on you that it damages your war skills, well, don't play CA then. If you think CA is taking players away from wars, then try asking more people to play a war, not harrassing mind, or arranging one in the middle of someone else's game of CA or whatever. But wait til a game has finished and then suggest it.

Really I think this is all just a bunch of noise for nothing. Anyone needs another person for wars, look for me on the CA server.

Koopa

dave, ca isnt comparable to ra for the simple reason that they use teamplay 1 on the servers.. someone with crapper aim can easily win on ca through spam, they cant on ra.

ste.. i used to play ca ages ago, and even though i dont play it really anymore(except the odd game), i have yet to see anyone moving like wildfire across a level on ca, and in most cases the 'accurate shot' is replaced by spamming rocketjumpers(wow look i can rocketjump) types.

ever stop to think why most of the regular war/duel players would beat the regular ca players in a one on one game of ca?

fair enough if you are playing ca for fun, I do that too, but ca doesnt require half as much skill as duels or wars. (rocket arena rocks as a test of skill on LAN, but on modem it becomes a bit meaningless)

DEATH

Who gives two shags whether or not it takes the same skill.

Exactly who are these best war players ?
As the movies say Bring it on.

I'll play any of your l33t war players who know the tactics to any level convieved, im sure the rest of the ca regulars will be happy to oblige to play the higher beings that are war players

As Balde says Ride ME

BugBlaster

Look lads... CA is FUN! FUN! FUN!... and as for adding teamplay 2 thats fine by me... all the UK Ca servers are setup that way with 200 armor and 100h or vis versa.

As for the situation with wars, If people interested in playing wars met on IRC for specifis times. i.e. 8:30 and 10:30 then it would be easier to get the wars organised, having prior knowledge that a game usually starts a few minutes later... and none of this waiting about for hours on the server, Having idiots trying to frag ye when they well know you cause nothing only frustration for the ppl talking there setting up the match....

ok thats my 10P worth...:-)

Bunny

Death...a duel is harder than CA okay?...just try it!...I know so what who cares..but you're the one asking for it.

Gavin

i mean this is ridiculous. people play quake because they like it be it CA or Clan matches. For people to try and force others to play ffa or something else is pretty pathetic. As for being lefft behind in Q1 because england got there first that just does not deserve comment....

Gav

Von

Bunnors and Koopa, youse only win duels cos the other guy has only a shotgun most of the time. Not fair.

pox

"or maybe its the fact that your l33t skills
count for sh!t in ca and thus you suck at
it?"
Thanks, I needed a laugh.

"Exactly who are these best war players?"
well of course you wouldnt know, but
currently the best wars players are ppl
like tomb, von, bunny, mickah, anjo, blade,
koopa, ol, Jay...hell lorcan is good!

"As the movies say Bring it on"
"I'll play any of your l33t war players.."
wow, two laughs in one day! thanks.
be careful though, as you run the risk
of your supposed cool falling down around
you in embarrassment as your ca skillz
fail you out repeatedly.

Death lad stop talking without thinking.

CA is fun because you can get a game
immediately. The server is the most
frequented server we have for three reasons,
they are that it is an immediate quake hit,
its easy to win, and there are always
people there.
My point is that people will not stop
playing CA cos of the reasons above.
and to the rest of you, if you want simple
fun start an ffa. duels can be exhilirating,
and wars are the most subtle
(why? cos the control of the level by
communicating and following a plan of
events and positions, reacting to enemy
movements and attacks, and redesigning
battle plans in the game...is fun).

why is it not fun? because people play quake
with their brain switched off. it can
be a tactical, intelligent game.

m1ke

From what I hear q1 players in Ireland can't hold their own against good quake players abroad and no clan in Ireland could take on a decent clan in the uk or europe, which is probably down to CA, look at the Q2 scene, we have an abundance of players and clans that could take on the very best players in the uk and europe and win because we hardly ever play CA, RA, FFA or duels, 95% of what we play are wars.

H_K

Krash - as CW also do, DK are usually playing UK clan for training nowadays....
We have played and beaten many highly rated UK clans such as Detox, CP (sometimes, sometimes not) and The X

pat

Shinji

Lads.... Is it just me, or is a huge amount of point-missing being done in this thread?

People play Quake, or Q2, or Tribes, or whatever, because it's FUN. Because they ENJOY it.

If people decide that for the, CA is more fun than wars, or vice versa... It's a bit stupid to start telling them what they should or should not be playing, isn't it? All this bullsh!te about "rotting your skills" or whatever is utter crap. As long as people are enjoying themselves playing the game, that's what counts.

Mata ne!
Rob

KinDreD

the titanic eamo....we to are doomed like that imfamous vessel......:/

pox

just read more replies.
Ste: stop, please, youre embarrassing yourself. put up arguments in favor of
ca that actually occur. (Point: people move like 'wildfire' around
the level because you usually cant rj 4 times in succession in non-tp1 games)

Verb: "people play quake because they like it be it CA or Clan matches"
ah shhhh lad. what fool plays a game they dont enjoy? you dont like non-ca then play
ca only. Just dont expect skills of much use to develop.

"For people to try and force others to play ffa ... is pretty pathetic"
doing nothing about it and seeing what a joke our scene is becoming is also pathetic.
what new talent have we? who do you think will replace our current ie team when TE
cut them all off

"As for being lefft behind in Q1 because england got there first that just does not
deserve comment"
..because it's true. Late summer 96 I found GI's site and CT stumbled onto the irish
quake scene. At that time I recall sujoy was winning it big on the european scene.
anyone who can remember will agree, the difference was astounding.

Overlord

Perhaps a good idea would be to setup a second CA server. This one would have TP 2 and would be a step up for CA players that want a more challenging game. Where more thought is required and a bit more subtlety.
The original TP 1 server would be available for newbies to learn the essential skills of quake - rjumps, rocket fights etc. ( which CA is briiliant for ).
A TP 2 server would rock, the teamplay 1 thing is the root of all evil IMHO, with TP2 there would be spam but ppl would need more skill to implement - communication with your teammates would be required so they know whos dropping those grenades.
I used to love the whole idea of CA - no thought needed but the combination of those skills so many irish quake 1ers have now, with thought and a wee bit of intelligence makes for a vicious and more rounded, enjoyable game.

pox

shinji mate, you've missed the point. it's easy to misunderstand from misreading
what I've written. Me saying you cant have fun becuase it rots your quake skills
would obviously be great, cos then the those same monkeys could point fingers with due
moral alititude. however thats la la land. I play quake becuase Its fun, (read my post
re the breakup of ct)
I want these people who have no exposure tow wars and duels and ffas to play them,
becuase they are fun and GOOD FOR YOU, just like milkyway. CA does you no good, but it
is fun (initially, and morosely boring after too much). And why cant they get that
exposure? becuase the ffas dont occur, the wars need preparation and practise before you
can enjoy them, and duels are usually between the better players in the community.

Bunny

Yeah its true...Koopa is the only one who seems to able to remotely compete with good foreign players. We suck at wars and just about everything else. Its to do with connections and the amount of players here aswell. Its sometimes hard to play quake for fun when we are trying to prepare for Rapture...what with Von the only remotely active war player (in comparison English Div 3 players get alot more practice than he does) etc etc.

DeVore

Lads, would you ever listen to yourselves...

CA is preventing wars
How many war players are there who desperately want to play wars but are dragged unwillingly into CA??

Most of the CA players are just that *CA* players. Death, lolth, slosh, gandie, muso, me etc. They are not war players. If you want to find war players look on IRC. They are there either sending each other "hugz!!!!!" or complaining about all those CA players having fun.
I dont see how the CA server stops you from organising a time and server every night and have a big old WAR.

Shutting The Server
Thats got to be a joke. Thankfully the server admins are a less reactionary then that and I'm surprised at Dre for suggesting it.

CA has no skill
Snore. You go faster (because for rjumping and tp1) and its more vicious because everyone is armed. If you want to be a ****ing accountant then go and camp your precious armours and weapons.
Every time I hear that sort of ****e from war players I reckon they got their asses kicked and it couldnt possibly be that someone was better then them at Quake so it must be a lucky/random win

I so rarely get hit by spam that it doesnt bother me usually. If you are getting hit by spam its a sign of CA inexperience. There are things you do in wars that are just stupid to do in CA and vice versa.

If you want wars why not organise yourselves and set a time so a critical mass will show up then, rather then this idiotic CA-waaahing.

DeV.


[This message has been edited by DeVore (edited 14-06-99).]

Critic

Can't we all just play good ol' FFAs like in the really olden days?
My own definition of quake fun would be e1m5 with 8+ players gibbing the ****e out of each other and a race to the top(which i would never be in )which meant every frag was worth a place in the top rank.
ya know what i mean,fast exciting stuff with none of that teaming, having to listen to other ppls orders and crap.i'm not dissing wars or anything (there aren't enough)but ye gotta say ffa was great fun and it would be worth it if we started playing them again.

Von

Lo Dev. I have no opinion on CA, its just a mod like artifact quake or something, but it's funny that I get people like Death and Ste, who only play CA, telling me how much I suck at wars and shouldn't be on team ie.




[This message has been edited by Von (edited 14-06-99).]

Bunny

Ahh Dev...CA can be vicious, but its really just down to good aim and jostling yourself for the best positions in fights....sure I went around the server with grenades on +attack a few months ago and got myself, er, the team plenty of points..eehh. Playing Wars in my ****ing opinion is alot harder...everything is NOT all nice and equal, which goes both ways...yes you have a boomstick and the bad guys have rocket launchers...you need more than aim for that one. Don't mention resource camping either in Wars either....CA is camping. The way to make CA more skilled would be to have TP2 on....yes teamplay....you can kill your teammates....and some kind of health COUNTDOWN thing, that counts your health slowly down to zero....so everyone comes out and fights. I still think CA is cool though, but it shouldn't be compared to wars or duels.

DeVore

...and so this reflects on CA players in general....exactly how?

Particuarly since you omit that the single biggest proponent of CA (ie ME) has also been the person most staunchly defending your right to be on Team.ie.

Dodgy logic in there somewhere vonny!

DeVore.

earthworm_jim

I think that anyone who has properly played ffa's, duels and wars can't help getting bored stupid by clan arena.

I'll never see what people see in it. Anyone who only plays CA - you don't know what you're missing lads.

gandalf

OK here we go again with the CA is killing Wars ****e. What next Q1 is better than Q2.

As Devore said I only play CA (on the Irish Servers). As Bunny says it is different than Wars, Duels or FFA's. I have always sucked at Wars and I freely admit it. Crap at Duels thats me (except on E1M2). I find FFA's extremely boring, but I do play occasionally on Barrysworld. The main reason I play CA is that everyone starts equal. At least us HPB's stand a chance against LPB's. But on a level that a LPB controls in a War or a Duel I find it difficult to get into the game. I mean check out the Barrysworld FFA server and see how many with pings of over 100 are in the top 3, normally noone.

Lads if you feel that CA is ruining your War skills f##k off and play wars. Also nothing ****es me off more than "Warplayers" coming onto the CA server and telling people to got to the War server for a War. People drop and ruin the Game we had already going and then 2 Minutes later the muppets who dropped are back asking for a reset.

Basically if you want to be an anally retentive, control freak War player stay off the Clan Arena server, you can be guaranteed that I'll be staying off the war servers.

Gandalf.

Monty - the one and only

I have played Quake on and off for over a year, I'll usually pick a server that has a good ping(usually Irish). I don't give a crap if it's arena, ffa, war, etc. I just play for fun, I'm not great at the game but I do enjoy it even if I do get trashed most of the time.

In my opinion, each type of quake has it's advantages and disadvantages, but if arena is what people want to play. Quit moaning and keep playing

Monty - the one and only

I've been playing q1 on and off for over a year now, I enjoy most types of quake.
Every time I start up I'll usually play CA
but then move on to ffa. I first learned how to rl jump properly in CA. Because of it I learned the basics Of quake and have carried them across to other games such as hl:tfc. My aim has improved tenfold over what it was when I first started to play

CA is great for newbies to do just that, and then move on to greater things.

I will say this though, it is one of the best types of Quake