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dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 09:33AM #1

According to the sino , an astonishing 1 in 7 who gets the dole has NEVER worked a day
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-seven-people-on-the-dole-has-never-worked-a-single-day-29278033.html

lets me break that down for ya , it is apx 43,000 people who receive the payment have NEVER worked :eek: (CSO figures )

i think 43,000 people need a good kick up the hole , and STOP the payments.
Leeches, watch how quickly they would change their tune if they were hauled up and forced to explain WHY they have never contributed to the state,

As i read it , this has nothing to do with illness or sick benefit , it has nothing to do with people who have had jobs and lost them
these are assholes who drain resources from areas needed so they can sit on their holes.
and fu2k anyone who says its the system not the man , ****e to that , its the man - time to get tough.

if you add just the basic dole payment per week it comes to 8,084,000 (420,368,000 per year ).

this comes to the shortfall in the health service , or the wages being cut for civil servants , and on and on.

enough of this crap , time to act , and if this government wont do it , as a people we should elect one that will - we are being robbed , and true others are doing it , and they should be dealt with also , but this thread is about THIS topic , so leave the bankers out of this for once,

these are different scum that need dealing with !!

Almaviva · 19-05-2013 09:36AM

dj, have you finished school or college in the last four years ?
What chances do you think you have of getting a job if you have finished education lately ?

Guy:Incognito · 19-05-2013 09:40AM

Almaviva wrote: »

dj, have you finished school or college in the last four years ?
What chances do you think you have of getting a job if you have finished education lately ?

All through the good times it was said we had zero unemployment. Afaik what that meant was that we only had the "permanent" unemployed claiming the dole, which was 4%. Theres plenty of people that choose/chose it.

cletus van damme · 19-05-2013 09:41AM

a lot of that 43000 are probably not fit for employment

to qualify for state benefit for medical conditions (or other disability) you must tick many boxes.
You would be surprised how many people fall between the cracks and are entitled to nothing but the dole.
It doesn't lessen their condition or inability to work

so such wide ranging statements about cutting all dole is just stupid

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 09:43AM

Almaviva wrote: »

dj, have you finished school or college in the last four years ?
What chances do you think you have of getting a job if you have finished education lately ?

granted some could be school leavers , but i strongly doubt even sub 10% are school leavers , most would go on to do post grad , or if they have any cop on would have left the country.

we BOTH know who this thread is aimed at - as the sindo said " PROFESSIONAL " unemployed
as i said in my OP , if they are hauled up to show why they have NEVER worked , i would imagine pointing out you have just finished 3rd level education would be enough to satisfy the social welfare.

you know what type of claimant we are talking about

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 09:45AM

cletus van damme wrote: »

a lot of that 43000 are probably not fit for employment

to qualify for state benefit for medical conditions (or other disability) you must tick many boxes.
You would be surprised how many people fall between the cracks and are entitled to nothing but the dole.
It doesn't lessen their condition or inability to work

so such wide ranging statements about cutting all dole is just stupid

did you read the thread OP , or the link ?

it has nothing to do with sick or people on sick leave
show me the figures to contradict that , or is that just your opinion ?

cutting dole for people who have NEVER worked , robbing the state , stupid ???? really !!!

** a requirement to receive the dole is that you ARE fit and able to work , so you cant say these are people with an illness or some sort of learning disability **

Specialun · 19-05-2013 09:45AM

73% of all stats are makey uppey

0ph0rce0 · 19-05-2013 09:45AM

Ohhhh Not On A Sunday. Please!!!

Terrontress · 19-05-2013 09:46AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

granted some could be school leavers , but i strongly doubt even sub 10% are school leavers , most would go on to do post grad , or if they have any cop on would have left the country.

we BOTH know who this thread is aimed at - as the sindo said " PROFESSIONAL " unemployed
as i said in my OP , if they are hauled up to show why they have NEVER worked , i would imagine pointing out you have just finished 3rd level education would be enough to satisfy the social welfare.

you know what type of claimant we are talking about

A lot of these people have worked, just not declared or paid tax on it.

Toby Take a Bow · 19-05-2013 09:49AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

granted some could be school leavers , but i strongly doubt even sub 10% are school leavers , most would go on to do post grad , or if they have any cop on would have left the country.

we BOTH know who this thread is aimed at - as the sindo said " PROFESSIONAL " unemployed
as i said in my OP , if they are hauled up to show why they have NEVER worked , i would imagine pointing out you have just finished 3rd level education would be enough to satisfy the social welfare.

you know what type of claimant we are talking about

But you're quoting those figures suggesting that 'those' type of claimants number 43,000 or whatever the figure it was. It is likely to be a small percentage of that figure. Yes it exists, but does it cost as much as people like yourself are claiming? Nope. Is Joan releasing these figures in order to deflect from the disastrous running of the country? Yep. Is she also causing further light to show on her own particular mismanagement? Yes, again.

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 09:49AM

Terrontress wrote: »

A lot of these people have worked, just not declared or paid tax on it.

oh , well tax and dole fraud , that makes it all ok then , silly me

i know of a nurse who is on buttons for the sterling work she does , getting more money cut , so these wasters can sit on their holes

well im sorry but something need to be done

kneemos · 19-05-2013 09:49AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Ohhhh Not On A Sunday. Please!!!

Second that.

kneemos · 19-05-2013 09:51AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

oh , well tax and dole fraud , that makes it all ok then , silly me

i know of a nurse who is on buttons for the sterling work she does , getting more money cut , so these wasters can sit on their holes

well im sorry but something need to be done

You're one fired up dj.

Almaviva · 19-05-2013 09:53AM

Nobody realy wants to live on the dole and never work.
Anyone stuck in that position long term is an unfortunate victim of the injustices of our society, and need our help. The minimum, and its a bad minimum, we can do is pay them a decent civilised dole. But helping them properly is a very difficult social engineering problem and no one yet has a way of achieving it successfully. So we take the easy way out - pay them dole and hope for the best.

TwoShedsJackson · 19-05-2013 09:53AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

cutting dole for people who have NEVER worked , robbing the state , stupid ???? really !!!

Cut it so they won't rob you indirectly via the State. Then they can come and rob you directly instead.

Guy:Incognito · 19-05-2013 09:55AM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Cut it so they won't rob you indirectly via the State. Then they can come and rob you directly instead.

State sponsored protection money?

cletus van damme · 19-05-2013 09:57AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

did you read the thread OP , or the link ?

it has nothing to do with sick or people on sick leave
show me the figures to contradict that , or is that just your opinion ?

cutting dole for people who have NEVER worked , robbing the state , stupid ???? really !!!

** a requirement to receive the dole is that you ARE fit and able to work , so you cant say these are people with an illness or some sort of learning disability **

sadly you are mistaken on the reality of the situation.
Or you misunderstood me.

People who have disabilities do not always qualify for state aid due to stringent criteria.
their ability to function in society is not changed in any way based on the states judgement on their entitlement.
they are still unable to get work and probably won't be

no doubt their are layabouts out there, but not all 43000

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 09:57AM

[QUOTE=Almaviva;84686572]Nobody realy wants to live on the dole and never work.
Anyone stuck in that position long term is an unfortunate victim of the injustices of our society, and need our help. The minimum, and its a bad minimum, we can do is pay them a decent civilised dole. But helping them properly is a very difficult social engineering problem and no one yet has a way of achieving it successfully. So we take the easy way out - pay them dole and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]

these figures are saying otherwise

if you believe the second highlighted line you are living in a dream world,
hope the weather is nice in that dimension :rolleyes:

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 10:00AM

cletus van damme wrote: »

sadly you are mistaken on the reality of the situation.
Or you misunderstood me.

People who have disabilities do not always qualify for state aid due to stringent criteria.
their ability to function in society is not changed in any way based on the states judgement on their entitlement.
they are still unable to get work and probably won't be

no doubt their are layabouts out there, but not all 43000

ok , im open for more figures on this , can you get me the break down of able and un able to work for me ?
you look like you know what you are talking about , not just another poster who is grasping at straws becasue they don't like the sentiment of the OP,
nothing worse than making a statement and not being able to back it up

my figures might come from the DSW and the sindo , but at least i have some
so again , just pop up links to back you statement , our would you be assuming things ?

mattjack · 19-05-2013 10:00AM

Maybe it might worth be investigating why they've never held down a job first rather than calling them scum and giving them kicks up the hole.
Addiction , very poor or no education , homelessness , choosing to look after family members first over employment, poor family structure , convictions all could contribute to not ever seeking work.

hyperborean · 19-05-2013 10:00AM

What are they spending their money on? Bills and goods! Both of which get regurgitated by the economy in the form of Jobs and tax.

The truth is full time scroungers don't really cost all that much,

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 10:02AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Ohhhh Not On A Sunday. Please!!!

REALLY sorry dude

, if i had of seen it on Saturday i would have posted then,
not trying to annoy any one on the Sabbath

but these type of dole scrounger annoy the balls off me , plenty really need help , but these **** are talking it from them.

TwoShedsJackson · 19-05-2013 10:03AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

State sponsored protection money?

Part of it could be described as that. Let's face it, if you cut the dole to people who are able to work but choose to spend their life on the dole, what are they likely to do? It's not likely they'll suddenly become productive members of society anyway.

Guy:Incognito · 19-05-2013 10:03AM

hyperborean wrote: »

What are they spending their money on? Bills and goods! Both of which get regurgitated by the economy in the form of Jobs and tax.

The truth is full time scroungers don't really cost all that much,

Surely we should all be given the money so seeing as it doesn't cost much.

razorgil · 19-05-2013 10:03AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

oh , well tax and dole fraud , that makes it all ok then , silly me

i know of a nurse who is on buttons for the sterling work she does , getting more money cut , so these wasters can sit on their holes

well im sorry but something need to be done

ah, yes, i know the ones. they'll be standin outside the pub havin the crack, and a smoke later today, as i drive by on my way to work.

Guy:Incognito · 19-05-2013 10:05AM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Part of it could be described as that. Let's face it, if you cut the dole to people who are able to work but choose to spend their life on the dole, what are they likely to do? It's not likely they'll suddenly become productive members of society anyway.

Your in to a bit of burglary and theft , I doubt getting 188 a week off the government is stopping you doing it.

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 10:06AM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Part of it could be described as that. Let's face it, if you cut the dole to people who are able to work but choose to spend their life on the dole, what are they likely to do? It's not likely they'll suddenly become productive members of society anyway.

so just pay them , and good luck ?

no , sorry , there PLENTY things they could do
hundreds of social schemes need people to help them , why not these people

you answer is just a cop out , becasue it a difficult task to deal with , but FAR from impossible

Almaviva · 19-05-2013 10:07AM

A suggestion dj - do a months voluntary work with the St V de Paul and report back on your views of the long term unemployed.

omahaid · 19-05-2013 10:08AM

1 in 7? I believe that. I have daily interaction with families all of who are on the dole, multiple generations (although some are on disability as far as I know, bad backs).

TwoShedsJackson · 19-05-2013 10:10AM

dj jarvis wrote: »

hundreds of social schemes need people to help them , why not these people

So what social schemes would you suggest they get employed on? Helping people etc. that needs Garda vetting, so that's probably a no-no. Or they'll just refuse. Then what?

Or are we back to the 'make them sweep the roads!!' stuff?

There is always going to be an element of society that is anti-social and/or unproductive. We have control as a society over how we choose to deal with them.

dj jarvis · 19-05-2013 10:13AM

hyperborean wrote: »

What are they spending their money on? Bills and goods! Both of which get regurgitated by the economy in the form of Jobs and tax.

The truth is full time scroungers don't really cost all that much,

that is assuming they are not costing additionally to their dole

health care , court services , probation services , AGS , social workers , social housing ect ect

all this whole not contributing a red cent - your statement is a red herring

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