Re a United Ireland > Would you be in favour of a new Flag & a new National anthem?

irishfeen · 15-05-2013 11:34PM

armaghbhoy wrote: »

I'm not quite sure what to answer, but my answer is probably no for now.

The British didn't offer us a new flag in the north, there is no green in the union jack and while I think it would be nice of us to offer I still don't think unionists would accept it. Generally speaking, they are like the only people to go on about being ''British'' more than the English themselves. While the Scottish are Scottish the Irish are Irish and so on.

armaghbhoy, you are one of the best people to tell us for real what are the chances of any sort of UI in our lifetime, What are your gut feelings on the issue - especially among young people? ... I would think its getting less and less likely as the peace process takes hold.

Jefferson Davis. · 15-05-2013 11:47PM

No, I want the Tri colour to stay. It makes for great colours when you light it on a bonfire and there is plenty of them. So why get rid of it?

For Forks Sake · 15-05-2013 11:48PM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

No, I want the Tri colour to stay. It makes for great colours when you light it on a bonfire and there is plenty of them. So why get rid of it?

You'll go far around these parts son. :cool:

Jefferson Davis. · 15-05-2013 11:50PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

You'll go far around these parts son. :cool:

Just being honest. Try it sometime, you get a nice effect from them.

Witcher · 15-05-2013 11:56PM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

No, I want the Tri colour to stay. It makes for great colours when you light it on a bonfire and there is plenty of them. So why get rid of it?

This is the class of person we're trying to parley with and bring into the fold of a united Ireland.

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The north is Britain's problem at the moment and unless there is a serious upturn in social cohesion up there I say let them keep it. No need to make their problems our own. Riots over a flag being taken down, riots over marches, riots over everything. The hatred runs so deep in places that it's hard to comprehend it. I know a lot of people from the north..all good people but in all honesty the place is a sh1thole...the minority is way too vocal there and ruin it for everyone.

irishfeen · 16-05-2013 12:02AM

Blay wrote: »

This is the class of person we're trying to parley with and bring into the fold of a united Ireland.

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The north is Britain's problem at the moment and unless there is a serious upturn in social cohesion up there I say let them keep it. No need to make their problems our own. Riots over a flag being taken down, riots over marches, riots over everything. The hatred runs so deep in places that it's hard to comprehend it. I know a lot of people from the north..all good people but in all honesty the place is a sh1thole...the minority is way too vocal there and ruin it for everyone.

He is only trying to rise people... just let him have his moment...

Chuck Stone · 16-05-2013 12:03AM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

You'll go far around these parts son. :cool:

It's just Keith. He's probably not even allowed to play with matches never mind get staying out past 9pm.

Jefferson Davis. · 16-05-2013 12:06AM

Chuck, they are cheap flags and always in large stock around July. keep 'er lit Chucky.

Chuck Stone · 16-05-2013 12:07AM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

Chuck, they are cheap flags and always in large stock around July. keep 'er lit Chucky.

Great culture ye've got going there. What's left of it that it is.

dd972 · 16-05-2013 12:11AM

How's about this for an anthem ( tune of Sloop John B )

''From Scotland they came.
brought us nothing but sh-a-me
if they hate us so much
why don't they go home?''

Jefferson Davis. · 16-05-2013 12:13AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Great culture ye've got going there. What's left of it that it is.

Night before the 12th is great Chucky. Don't get jealous.

Duckworth_Luas · 16-05-2013 12:16AM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

Night before the 12th is great Chucky. Don't get jealous.

What is celebrated on the 12th?

Chuck Stone · 16-05-2013 12:24AM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

Night before the 12th is great Chucky. Don't get jealous.

Ah yes, I remember the hordes of pissed droolers out wrapped in union flags with vomit on their shirts banging bin lids together.

Some culture that is to be jealous of alright.

ONeill2013 · 16-05-2013 12:24AM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

What is celebrated on the 12th?

Some battle that was won in the 17th century, celebrated by burning irish flags, pictures of the pope, statues of jesus' mother, the usual capour you would expect from them

Jefferson Davis. · 16-05-2013 12:26AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Ah yes, I remember the hordes of pissed droolers out wrapped in union flags with vomit on their shirts banging bin lids together.

Some culture that is to be jealous of alright.

That is the culture of youth today. I sadly agree with you on the drinking and getting into a right mess. Still, many people don't do it and enjoy the night. Its a good time to get together and socialise with other Protestants.

Savage Tyrant · 16-05-2013 12:27AM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

No, I want the Tri colour to stay. It makes for great colours when you light it on a bonfire and there is plenty of them. So why get rid of it?

How'aya Keith mate. Ya well?
While you're here, and before you're rebanned, how's about popping over to the soccer forum and paying your lost bet... It was for charity after all.

Jefferson Davis. · 16-05-2013 12:31AM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

How'aya Keith mate. Ya well?
While you're here, and before you're rebanned, how's about popping over to the soccer forum and paying your lost bet... It was for charity after all.

Sure, give me a link.

Happyman42 · 16-05-2013 12:34AM

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

How'aya Keith mate. Ya well?
While you're here, and before you're rebanned, how's about popping over to the soccer forum and paying your lost bet... It was for charity after all.

What was the bet? Ireland to lose I'd say. Poor Keith.:rolleyes:

Chuck Stone · 16-05-2013 12:36AM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

That is the culture of youth today. I sadly agree with you on the drinking and getting into a right mess.

Late 70's early eighties actually. Still the same only less at it.

Still, many people don't do it and enjoy the night. Its a good time to get together and socialise with other Protestants.

Great fun alright to get together and celebrate hating the Irish and being born a Protestant by vomiting all over a union fleg.

Is it any wonder normal unionists increasingly want to distance themselves from that shite.

awec · 16-05-2013 12:37AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Is it any wonder normal unionists increasingly want to distance themselves from that shite.

Those things have nothing to do with unionism. At all.

Jefferson Davis. · 16-05-2013 12:39AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

That is the culture of youth today. I sadly agree with you on the drinking and getting into a right mess.

Late 70's early eighties actually. Still the same.

Great fun alright to get together and celebrate hating the Irish and being born a Protestant.

Is it any wonder normal unionists increasingly want to distance themselves from that shite.

Well that is not exactly right. Back then they had a more dignified stance on Alcohol, although not perfect, I would say not to the utter mess it is now in young people.

I think it is something which should be discussed more in society. And I would say it is fun to get together and have a sing and a dance. No harm done, Republicans do it too in parades. Let people enjoy themselves.

Jefferson Davis. · 16-05-2013 12:42AM

awec wrote: »

Those things have nothing to do with unionism. At all.

Sure, if you mean upper class Unionism or the ideal of Unionism. But parades or bonfire gatherings all over Ulster are attended by many Unionists.

Happyman42 · 16-05-2013 12:43AM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

Well that is not exactly right. Back then they had a more dignified stance on Alcohol, although not perfect, I would say not to the utter mess it is now in young people.

I think it is something which should be discussed more in society. And I would say it is fun to get together and have a sing and a dance. No harm done, Republicans do it too in parades. Let people enjoy themselves.

You can do whatever you want, we will not be forced into watching you do it. As they say...get a room.;)

awec · 16-05-2013 12:43AM

Jefferson Davis. wrote: »

Back then they had a more dignified stance on Alcohol

I'd say the wombles in attendance had a part to play in that.

Jefferson Davis. · 16-05-2013 12:45AM

awec wrote: »

I'd say the wombles in attendance had a part to play in that.

Must be the quality of drink doing it..:pac:

Savage Tyrant · 16-05-2013 01:07AM

awec wrote: »

I'd say the wombles in attendance had a part to play in that.

Wombles or blacknecks, they're all the same. Scum to a man.

colossus-x · 16-05-2013 01:36AM

The only thing I know about the North aside from the troubles of course is the 'vibe' I get from watching the BBC local news on BBC NI and a couple of NI friends who now are ex friends who repeatedly treated my friendship like **** when I knew them when living in Dublin.

I have never met such gruff , unsophisticated, unhealthy , argumentative, socially unaware, did I say unhealthy, disloyal, uninspiring, "thick" , bing-drinking, chips & vinegar munchin , lower class ( as a rule ) men that I have ever encountered. I could go on. I would say they were 'natural Irish' if you know what I mean but doesn't make any difference to me.

The idea that the ppl of the south of Ireland would ever have to be associated with the North is a notion that repulses me.

I would join the South_IRA ( fictional ) to keep the north from ever joining the south. In an ideal world the north debacle would not have occurred - but it has and what is left is very unpleasing - so lets just leave them to their own devices. I'd rather not have them sully the true Irish reputation and spirit. I'd rather unite with Liverpool.

Chuck Stone · 16-05-2013 01:41AM

colossus-x wrote: »

I have never met such gruff , unsophisticated, unhealthy , argumentative, socially unaware, did I say unhealthy, disloyal, uninspiring, "thick" , bing-drinking, chips & vinegar munchin , lower class ( as a rule ) men that I have ever encountered.

Did you ever wonder why you attract the company of such neanderthals?

Savage Tyrant · 16-05-2013 01:44AM

colossus-x wrote: »

The only thing I know about the North aside from the troubles of course is the 'vibe' I get from watching the BBC local news on BBC NI and a couple of NI friends who now are ex friends who repeatedly treated my friendship like **** when I knew them when living in Dublin.

I have never met such gruff , unsophisticated, unhealthy , argumentative, socially unaware, did I say unhealthy, disloyal, uninspiring, "thick" , bing-drinking, chips & vinegar munchin , lower class ( as a rule ) men that I have ever encountered. I could go on. I would say they were 'natural Irish' if you know what I mean but doesn't make any difference to me.

The idea that the ppl of the south of Ireland would ever have to be associated with the North is a notion that repulses me.

I would join the South_IRA ( fictional ) to keep the north from ever joining the south. In an ideal world the north debacle would not have occurred - but it has and what is left is very unpleasing - so lets just leave them to their own devices. I'd rather not have them sully the true Irish reputation and spirit. I'd rather unite with Liverpool.

Btw...have you ever heard such repulsive accents in your life ? Yuck !

Oh the ironing!

And yes, EVERYONE in the north is exactly how you described... And NOBODY in the south is (not even you)

And as for the accents? Which part exactly is repulsive? Does it cease to be repulsive exactly at the South Down border? Or the Donegal border perhaps?

colossus-x · 16-05-2013 01:57AM

Please, this 'not everybody' argument is always used when a generalization is used but 'in general' the perception I get from the north is what I have gotten consistently since I was a kid living in the south.

As for 'the north is not the only place that has a repulsive accent' - I agree - I don't particularly care for the Birmingham accent but then I find the Cork/Kerry accent rather endearing. Can't bare the 'real dub' accent either.

I think you rather attacked the trivial parts of my post though - accents are not really the issue : )

Re a United Ireland > Would you be in favour of a new Flag & a new National anthem?

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