Re a United Ireland > Would you be in favour of a new Flag & a new National anthem?

Chuck Stone · 15-05-2013 06:05PM

locum-motion wrote: »

The whole point of the Tricolour is that it signifies the two traditions/communities on the island (Green for the 'Nationalists' and Orange for the 'Loyalists') and peace (White) between them. It is intended as a symbol of a nation that is inclusive. It says "If you want to be Irish, we welcome you into our fold."

You're not considering the Unionist/Loyalist mindset. They associate the ROI tricolour with Republicanism of the northern sort. They couldn't give a fuck if the tricolour had King Billy on his horse trampling Gerry Adams to death on the white bit, they'd probably still not like it.

The union fleg is the only fleg the vast majority of unionists give a **** about and even if there was a UI the UF will be highly visible in certain parts of Ireland for many many generations.

MadYaker · 15-05-2013 06:08PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Oh look! Another united Ireland thread.

Sub-forum needed, imo.

Hahaa I wonder what the admins would say if we put in a request for a United Ireland sub forum..

MetalDog · 15-05-2013 06:36PM

Only if the new anthem is the Benny Hill Theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

armaghbhoy · 15-05-2013 07:00PM

I'm not quite sure what to answer, but my answer is probably no for now.

The British didn't offer us a new flag in the north, there is no green in the union jack and while I think it would be nice of us to offer I still don't think unionists would accept it. Generally speaking, they are like the only people to go on about being ''British'' more than the English themselves. While the Scottish are Scottish the Irish are Irish and so on.

mackerski · 15-05-2013 07:07PM

The anthem should be changed without any external stimulus to something non-soldiers can relate to. As to the flag - it's design was specifically intended to be inclusive. Much as unionists might not like the tricolour, I think their main difficulty is likely to lie with the country for which it stands.

This kind of musing always reminds me of the way some people will quiz a vegetarian over whether they eat chicken, fish or whatever...

irishfeen · 15-05-2013 07:13PM

Wouldn't mind a change in National Anthem, a brand new constitution with input from all sides is something which I think would be needed and most people might actually welcome it. Changing the flag would be a different matter, the flag was hijacked by people claiming to represent the general Irish public for decades who committed atrocities in its shadow... that should not have been allowed to happen but it still can't take from the fact that the flag actually represents something truly good, an aspiration of the future.

mattjack · 15-05-2013 07:13PM

How about a rotating system , each month the flag and anthem could change.
We could even have a design a flag competition for kids and Eurovision stlye competition for the anthem,

666irishguy · 15-05-2013 07:13PM

The British can have the North and we will keep our flag. If the unionist's don't like our anthem or flag that's too bad as far as I am concerned. Be interesting to see what flag they would have to adopt if the UK dissolves. Then again they might just keep the Union Jack and Perhaps remain as they are as a living museum/tribute to Britain.

pablomakaveli · 15-05-2013 07:19PM

No, I like our current flag and anthem.

Its disappointing to see that there are quite a few people who would be happy to get rid of them as well.

jobeenfitz · 15-05-2013 07:23PM

If it would improve chance of continued peace I'd be in favour of having a compromise flag and national anthem. To be honest couldn't give a crap if we had no flag/anthem. Them things are all about ego and nostalgia. Bit like religion people willing to die for them and slaughter anyone who dissagrees with with them.

armaghbhoy · 15-05-2013 07:24PM

666irishguy wrote: »

The British can have the North and we will keep our flag. If the unionist's don't like our anthem or flag that's too bad as far as I am concerned. Be interesting to see what flag they would have to adopt if the UK dissolves. Then again they might just keep the Union Jack and Perhaps remain as they are as a living museum/tribute to Britain.

Its no longer a case of ''what unionists want, unionists get'' in the north as Nationalists are now almost the majority if not already the majority. Plus, theres alot of people who don't bother voting and I reckon if more people actually voted they would be miles ahead.

mattjack · 15-05-2013 07:26PM

armaghbhoy wrote: »

Its no longer a case of ''what unionists want, unionists get'' in the north as Nationalists are now almost the majority if not already the majority. Plus, theres alot of people who don't bother voting and I reckon if more people actually voted they would be miles ahead.

Ohh ohh ..... I've got an anthem for you ...

Ooh ah ,up the 'Ra , I say , ooh ah up the 'Ra.

Galwayguy35 · 15-05-2013 07:34PM

No I wouldn't be in favour of changing either the flag or anthem.

I don't see why down here we should be expected to change anything just to suit Unionists/Loyalists who let's face it don't like us or our traditions.

If it hapens sometime in the future that there is a vote for a UI and it passes then if they don't like it they can go back to Scotland.

Iwasfrozen · 15-05-2013 07:37PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No I wouldn't be in favour of changing either the flag or anthem.

I don't see why down here we should be expected to change anything just to suit Unionists/Loyalists who let's face it don't like us or our traditions.

If it hapens sometime in the future that there is a vote for a UI and it passes then if they don't like it they can go back to Scotland.

Or if you don't like it you can petition for Galwegian independence. :rolleyes:

Galwayguy35 · 15-05-2013 07:40PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Or if you don't like it you can petition for Galwegian independence. :rolleyes:

I'm happy with things as they are, you can move up to the Shankhill road and make new friends with Frazers mates if ya want.

Iwasfrozen · 15-05-2013 07:42PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm happy with things as they are, you can move up to the Shankhill road and make new friends with Frazers mates if ya want.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy with the way things are too. The North can go stuff itself for all I care.

locum-motion · 15-05-2013 07:56PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What political ideology would that be? I hear lots of people, from all walks of life call the tricolour green, white & gold.

There are two types of people who call it green, white and gold:
1. People who don't know any better, and don't even realise that they're wrong.
2. Republicans who quite deliberately refuse to acknowledge the orange in the flag or the ideal for which it stands.

tdv123 · 15-05-2013 08:12PM

If Willie Frazer & dissident armed Loyalist/Republicans are exiled from the Island then yes, I would be in favor of it.

locum-motion · 15-05-2013 08:14PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I think that was more an attempt by a certain archbishop to make the flag green for Ireland with the white and gold of the papal flag rather than any political party or persuasion.

Mmmmm...

I think you might be missing something there...

Firstly, the papal flag is white and yellow, not white and gold, but even so, given that only one side of the Catholic/Protestant divide acknowledges the Pope, and that one side of the political divide wants to get rid of the orange, it is naive in the extreme to think that there would be no political thought behind any such attempt by a bishop.

woodoo · 15-05-2013 08:33PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Let's face it, as much as people may love it and identify with it etc, the tri colour is a bit crap.
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True the tricolour is crap. I like the simplicity of the Swedish flag or something fancy like the Christmas Island flag. The Brazil one is good too.

666irishguy · 15-05-2013 09:01PM

armaghbhoy wrote: »

Its no longer a case of ''what unionists want, unionists get'' in the north as Nationalists are now almost the majority if not already the majority. Plus, theres alot of people who don't bother voting and I reckon if more people actually voted they would be miles ahead.

Why bother changing it so? I personally think it is a perfectly fine flag, simple and it's already internationally known. If I had to chose another flag design, I'd use an altered version of the flag of the now defunct fifth province of the kingdom of Meath or something like the air corp roundel on a blue background.

ONeill2013 · 15-05-2013 10:06PM

It wouldn't really change your life to be honest, apart from hearing a different anthem at a sports game or something, in terms of the flag, maybe go back to the green harp design or just a nice boring flag, white with 'Ireland' written on it in a Celtic style text, I doubt we will be alive when/if it happens anyway

ONeill2013 · 15-05-2013 10:11PM

locum-motion wrote: »

There are two types of people who call it green, white and gold:
1. People who don't know any better, and don't even realise that they're wrong.
2. Republicans who quite deliberately refuse to acknowledge the orange in the flag or the ideal for which it stands.

o'neill's sportswear need told as well, in an ireland gaa jersey i have the orange is yellow.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 15-05-2013 10:16PM

yes. The Irish flag is boring and I hate the national anthem so would gladly see them changed.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-05-2013 10:23PM

LordSutch wrote: »

If you thought a new flag and a new anthem would swing the Unionist population in Northern Ireland, would you contemplate having a new National anthem composed & a new all Ireland flag designed, (to woo the Unionists over the line) into a so called United Ireland?

Or would that be one step too far? see poll . . .

green for the nationalists, orange for you know who, and white to show the peace between them

They already have 2/3rd's of our fleg and you want to give them more :eek:

Lets go back to something like the blue flag with the gold harp

LordSutch · 15-05-2013 10:50PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

green for the nationalists, orange for you know who, and white to show the peace between them

They already have 2/3rd's of our fleg and you want to give them more :eek:

I never said that :rolleyes:

I am just posing the question, in the unlikely event of a united Ireland being on the cards (and in the balance) would you agree
to a change in the Nationalist Tricolour/Anthem, in order to edge the Unionists overthe line into a new dispensation?

PS: The Tricolour presumes all Protestants/Unionists are of the Orange tradition, when in reality many certainly are not!

Witcher · 15-05-2013 10:52PM

CJC999 wrote: »

yes. The Irish flag is boring and I hate the national anthem so would gladly see them changed.

Flags aren't supposed to excite you. They're a symbol and the tricolour has a lot of history and meaning behind it. More than a souless harp on a plain background type arrangement that seems to be the alternative.

niallers1 · 15-05-2013 10:55PM

I would change the flag to orange white and green.

For Forks Sake · 15-05-2013 10:59PM

Dr. Nooooo! wrote: »

It depends on what they would be but I am inclined to say no,

With your username, that's hardly a surprising response now is it???

pablomakaveli · 15-05-2013 11:03PM

niallers1 wrote: »

I would change the flag to orange white and green.

The Ivory Coast won't like that.

Re a United Ireland > Would you be in favour of a new Flag & a new National anthem?

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