Concern Nothing but Money Whores

Cork24 · 12-05-2013 10:13AM #1

for the past few months i am getting Letters in the Door from Concern asking me to give just a little More to help the African Kids..

to make me laugh the last Letter i got had a "Copy of a Email" that one person working in Africa emailed into head office stating their fighting a Losing battle and to ask people of Ireland to give more to help the kids..

:rolleyes:.. ok fair enough we could be doing a little more but with 2009 Concern raised €122m, their FAT cats are on €90,000 a year !! with their CEO taken in €140m a year.

and then they have the Balls to keep sending me Letters asking to give a little more,,

What next send me a picture of their FAT cats Losing Weight as they never got their 90k salary

Enable Ireland are just as Bad

20Cent · 12-05-2013 10:21AM

Cork24 wrote: »

for the past few months i am getting Letters in the Door from Concern asking me to give just a little More to help the African Kids..

to make me laugh the last Letter i got had a "Copy of a Email" that one person working in Africa emailed into head office stating their fighting a Losing battle and to ask people of Ireland to give more to help the kids..

:rolleyes:.. ok fair enough we could be doing a little more but with 2009 Concern raised €122m, their FAT cats are on €90,000 a year !! with their CEO taken in €140m a year.

and then they have the Balls to keep sending me Letters asking to give a little more,,

What next send me a picture of their FAT cats Losing Weight as they never got their 90k salary

Enable Ireland are just as Bad

Ceo taken in 140m per year!
Surely some mistake.

kryogen · 12-05-2013 10:22AM

How would I apply for the job of CEO?

misses with rifles · 12-05-2013 10:24AM

their are definitely better ways to help africa look for charities that build infrastructure and help them sustain themselves
i know food aid is vital at times
as for ceos of chartitys getting silly money that stops me giving to them rather see the money spent directly on those who need it

The Aussie · 12-05-2013 10:24AM

Well I'm glad they are Concerned, because I'm not....

FairytaleGirl · 12-05-2013 10:27AM

I know, not to mention all the money the spend on those ads that ruin my dinner!

Just screw the ads and feed the goddam waines, then everybody eats!

Cork24 · 12-05-2013 10:31AM

Irish Hospice foundation has the highest CEO earner per Charity income @ a rate of 24 euros to every 1000 euro

IRISH HOSPICE FOUNDATION
Supports the development of hospice and palliative care.
Chief executive: Sharon Foley (appointed May 2011)
Salary 2010: €101,350 (linked to civil service principal officer grade).
Salary 2011: No change.
Expenses 2010: €3,091.29 (vouched).
Expenses 2011: €1,134.16 to end of August (vouched).
Bonus payments: €17,800 in 2010. Paid only if certain pre-established targets are reached.
Pension entitlements: Chief executive makes own contribution plus 10% contribution by charity.
Company car: None.
Charity income 2010: €5.35m.
Amount paid to chief executive per €1,000 of charity income: €24.19.

CONCERN
International humanitarian agency
Chief executive: Tom Arnold
Salary 2010: €130,000 (based on assistant secretary grade in the public service).
Salary 2011: No change.
Expenses 2010/ 2011: Vouched. No figures supplied. It is Concern policy to fly economy class and use public transport where available.
Bonus payments: None.
Pension entitlements: The chief executive is on secondment from the Department of Agriculture where he was assistant secretary general.
Concern maintains his pension rights under that scheme.
Company car: None.
Charity income 2010: €167m.
No of euro paid to chief executive per €1,000 of charity income: €0.78.

20Cent · 12-05-2013 10:31AM

If they just hired job bridge management and ceo, didn't spend anything on advertising then they wouldn't be bringing in as much. Someone would probably start a thread about it.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 12-05-2013 10:31AM

Africa is a black hole for money and it will be a cold day in hell before i ever send anything to that part of the world.

micosoft · 12-05-2013 10:34AM

Cork24 wrote: »

:rolleyes:.. ok fair enough we could be doing a little more but with 2009 Concern raised €122m, their FAT cats are on €90,000 a year !! with their CEO taken in €140m a year.

Enable Ireland are just as Bad

OK - let's say it's 140k. What do you think is an appropriate salary for someone who has over 2000 staff in many (dangerous) countries around the world and a budget of 122m which if misspent will literally mean people die? What do you think they should get paid?

12-05-2013 10:38AM

He brings in an charity income of 124m on a salary of 130k.

The irish hospice CE brings in a charity income of 5m on a salary of 120k.

You get what you pay for and the concern CE is worth his wage based on the info in Cork24's post.

Cork24 · 12-05-2013 10:40AM

micosoft wrote: »

OK - let's say it's 140k. What do you think is an appropriate salary for someone who has over 2000 staff in many (dangerous) countries around the world and a budget of 122m which if misspent will literally mean people die? What do you think they should get paid?

It's Called a Charity my man, Look @ i - to - i Volunteer you have to pay them to allow you to Travel abroad to volunteer.

Africa is just a big money pit the more you throw at it the deeper the hole gets.. I would give the CEO nothing more then 60k a year,

in fact 60k a year for a Charity is a bit much. If it was not for us people giving them Money which is what we think goes to feed and help the people he wouldn't have his 140k Salary.

Cork24 · 12-05-2013 10:42AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

He brings in an charity income of 124m on a salary of 130k.

The irish hospice CE brings in a charity income of 5m on a salary of 120k.

You get what you pay for and the concern CE is worth his wage based on the info in Cork24's post.

How does he bring in 130k,

does he go out in the Streets ? does knock door to door for peoples money, No he sits in his Office doing god know what. So your Telling me that give the hospice CEO 130 k and he will bring in 124m ? NO Concern is just bigger Irish Hospice is based in Ireland where Concern has Offices in England and the US. and god only know what they pay their CEO over their

crackcrack30 · 12-05-2013 10:42AM

Why is it that charity work to some means donating your time free of charge........but to others its a triple income......

12-05-2013 10:42AM

20Cent wrote: »

Ceo taken in 140m per year!
Surely some mistake.

We're all being taken in

woodoo · 12-05-2013 10:43AM

They should put half the money towards contraception. The population growth in Africa is not sustainable. http://www.visualizing.org/visualizations/population-growth-africa-1950-2100

Mully_2011 · 12-05-2013 10:46AM

I've always felt that giving money to the Africans was a lot like giving the dole to someone who has no intention of working

Cork24 · 12-05-2013 10:48AM

woodoo wrote: »

They should put half the money towards contraception. The population growth in Africa is not sustainable. http://www.visualizing.org/visualizations/population-growth-africa-1950-2100

Many people would have 3 to 4 kids so they could get work when they get older and bring in a 3 to 4 income to the family.. so Africa is like Ireland back in the 50- 80's family's having at lest 5 kids

hfallada · 12-05-2013 10:53AM

I can't understand why these charities spend money on food and shelter etc. rather than giving the women an education in birth control to stop the huge population growth. Take Iran which realised in the 1950s for economic growth you need to control birth rates and it worked. It also worked in china with the one child policy.

But yet in Uganda women are still having 6/7 children and unlike 30 years ago all their children survive. How is this sustainable? It isnt

NegativeCreep · 12-05-2013 10:54AM

If I was a girl I'd defo be a whore for money.

Cork24 · 12-05-2013 10:56AM

what would be your Going Rate ?

NegativeCreep · 12-05-2013 10:58AM

Cork24 wrote: »

what would be your Going Rate ?

Cheap. Real goddamn cheap.

1ZRed · 12-05-2013 11:16AM

I think people are afraid to say it but sending money to Africa is akin to throwing it in the fire.

After how many decades of billions and billions going out to them has there been any progress made? Nope.

With the amount they got they should be far better now but the money finds it's way into the pockets of the wrong people far more often then not. I wouldn't ever bother giving any money to concern or any charity that deals with Africans.

I'd rather head out and volunteer to build houses and wells and actually see the good I was doing, and knowing it was doing some good, instead of blindly pumping my money out to them hoping it'll do some good.

woodoo · 12-05-2013 11:19AM

hfallada wrote: »

But yet in Uganda women are still having 6/7 children and unlike 30 years ago all their children survive. How is this sustainable? It isnt

And then we are asked to help feed them. BTW is the catholic church still against contraception in africa?

suicide_circus · 12-05-2013 11:34AM

Cork24 wrote: »

Many people would have 3 to 4 kids so they could get work when they get older and bring in a 3 to 4 income to the family.. so Africa is like Ireland back in the 50- 80's family's having at lest 5 kids

having 3 -4 kids per family when you're a small island is quaint, having 3-4 kids per family when you're a continent of a billion people is a time bomb.

Phoebas · 12-05-2013 11:42AM

1ZRed wrote: »

After how many decades of billions and billions going out to them has there been any progress made? Nope.

There has been plenty of progress in Africa.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21572773-pride-africas-achievements-should-be-coupled-determination-make-even-faster

suicide_circus · 12-05-2013 11:43AM

woodoo wrote: »

And then we are asked to help feed them. BTW is the catholic church still against contraception in africa?

on that point, since less than 20% of Africa is catholic, its not all down to the evil church that people dont use condoms. it is largely down to lack of education and the fact that it is seen as unmanly etc

dirtyden · 12-05-2013 11:45AM

1ZRed wrote: »

I think people are afraid to say it but sending money to Africa is akin to throwing it in the fire.

After how many decades of billions and billions going out to them has there been any progress made? Nope.

With the amount they got they should be far better now but the money finds it's way into the pockets of the wrong people far more often then not. I wouldn't ever bother giving any money to concern or any charity that deals with Africans.

I'd rather head out and volunteer to build houses and wells and actually see the good I was doing, and knowing it was doing some good, instead of blindly pumping my money out to them hoping it'll do some good.

People keep saying this, but never back it up. Africa's problems are in many cases base upon the pillage of these countries by europe and institutionalised poverty which fed the colonial system. Many of the countries which have had serious problems are very new states, and every new state has had problems. But there are success stories where aid but more so investment has made real differences. Places like Rwanda and tanzania.

Some of the aid in many cases goes to feed and house refugees. Id not call that throwing it in the fire. There have been cases of money getting in the wrong hands but i mean in ireland we have handed over billons out of our pension fund to german bankers. In Britain they have closed down mines but yet invest many billions on subnarines that they dont need. I could go on. Governments everywhere are C**ts. People in most places are alright and deserve help if they need it.

To maximise yield ina charity you sometimes need to pay specialists to run it. My main issue is that a lot of the people running irish charities are not exactly experts but political appointees.

homemadecider · 12-05-2013 11:46AM

Phoebas wrote: »

There has been plenty of progress in Africa.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21572773-pride-africas-achievements-should-be-coupled-determination-make-even-faster

There's also been lots of progress against the indicators set out in the Millennium Development Goals.

http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/pdf/2012_Progress_E.pdf

Cork24 · 12-05-2013 11:48AM

I Argee with one of the above,

I would like to go over their and build houses wells. Schools etc and see the work being done..

galwayrush · 12-05-2013 11:49AM

I gave a fiver to a drunk homeless dude in Galway yesterday, I know where 100% of that charity donation will go.

Concern Nothing but Money Whores

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