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The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)
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It is not ME that you have an issue with Tommy, it is God. It is not MY message I am speaking, but Gods. You need to take it up with him. I really hope you decide to.
What a cop out. The ultimate excuse for bigotry, "it's not my belief, it's my God's". Such barefaced cowardice in the face of rational and legitimate criticism speaks volumes for the ability of the religiously indoctrinated to think for themselves. If anyone can give me any good reason that isn't religious in origin for disagreeing with gay marriage then I'll never post in here again (indeed I may not for a while if the mods so deem it). Actually I may even quit the interwebz
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What a cop out. The ultimate excuse for bigotry, "it's not my belief, it's my God's". Such barefaced cowardice in the face of rational and legitimate criticism speaks volumes for the ability of the religiously indoctrinated to think for themselves. If anyone can give me any good reason that isn't religious in origin for disagreeing with gay marriage then I'll never post in here again (indeed I may not for a while if the mods so deem it). Actually I may even quit the interwebz
Tuck yer head in. There was no talk of Gay marriage, but rather a professing Christian (Tommy), who argues against what has been revealed by the Law the Prophets, the Gospels and the saints. So rather than quit the interwebz, you just need to read a little better
Or at least have a bit of wit in your insults rather than boring, generic ones. At least if you have a bit of wit, I can be entertained by the insults 
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Tuck yer head in. There was no talk of Gay marriage, but rather a professing Christian (Tommy), who argues against what has been revealed by the Law the Prophets, the Gospels and the saints. So rather than quit the interwebz, you just need to read a little better
Ah that makes it ok then, it was revealed by the heavyweights you listed above so therefore it must be true :rolleyes: If Tommy's a professing Christian then I'm the pope!0 -
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Found this testimony quite difficult. I empathise with it so much in terms of my own shortcomings, and inner battles. It must be SO much more difficult for someone like this. Keep him in your prayers folks.
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/39373-a-gay-struggler-finds-assurance-in-the-lord
Just finished reading this and I'm a little confused? The teachings of his Baptist church have caused this guy to hate himself and his sexuality yet he is listening to a Christian radio show in hope of some sort of understanding of himself and his 'reprobate mind'? I feel really sorry for him and that his only frame of reference for dealing with his "struggle with being gay" was the teachings of his bigoted church rather than the reality of the acceptance of homosexuality in civilised society.
To the bolded bit of your post, have you something you'd like to admit to your captive audience? It would certainly explain your rather vehement opposition to gay marriage and the topic of homosexuality in general 0 -
The lady doth protest too much? It is funny the frequency with which those high profile anti-gay religious types get got with a rent boy or in a dodgy sauna.
To the bolded bit of your post, have you something you'd like to admit to your captive audience? It would certainly explain your rather vehement opposition to gay marriage and the topic of homosexuality in general
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I think it's safe to say the view that anti-homosexuality is a church belief not a personal belief has been thoroughly debunked here. So when shown how illogical and irrational the anti-gay stance is, religious people have 2 choices:
1) Accept that their personal beliefs line up with that of the church and use freedom of religious belief to shield them from any criticism of their bigoted POV, thus perpetuating their own hateful stance
2) Accept that the church's teaching on homosexuality is the source of their own bigoted belief on the issue and resolve any dissonance with whatever conclusions independent thought may lead them to by capitulating to the views of their supposed moral superiors, thus perpetuating the church's hateful ideology.
Either option is dishonest, morally corrupt and not worthy of the respect of any free thinking individual.
Lucky I don't seek the praise of men then isn't it I think the issue of homosexuality is one that has indeed been handled poorly. This may be due to the disgust at the act, and the unfathomable nature of the act. I.E. When someone is struggling with fornicating with members of the opposite sex, there is a degree of empathy, as most can relate to desiring members of the opposite sex. Whereas, people find it hard to empathise with homosexuality. The link below is to the blog of a Christian woman struggling with same sex attraction which shows the Churches failings in embracing, helping and encouraging her, as well as the failings of so called Christians who seek to get her to continue her homosexual behaviour.
http://hunterbaker.wordpress.com/201...ter-in-christ/
Also, the youtube series, starting with the video below, pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter and addresses the Christian issues.
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Lucky I don't seek the praise of men then isn't it I think the issue of homosexuality is one that has indeed been handled poorly. This may be due to the disgust at the act, and the unfathomable nature of the act. I.E. When someone is struggling with fornicating with members of the opposite sex, there is a degree of empathy, as most can relate to desiring members of the opposite sex. Whereas, people find it hard to empathise with homosexuality. The link below is to the blog of a Christian woman struggling with same sex attraction which shows the Churches failings in embracing, helping and encouraging her, as well as the failings of so called Christians who seek to get her to continue her homosexual behaviour.
http://hunterbaker.wordpress.com/201...ter-in-christ/
Also, the youtube series, starting with the video below, pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter and addresses the Christian issues.
Seriously please tell me how homosexuality needs to be helped and actually tell me how these religious organisations intend to help or "cure" it. It is idiotic to think it can be cured as it is a completely natural phenomenon with evidence to support it. There's no evidence to support your theory that it can be cured, only a vast amount of evidence to the contrary - with may passed "ex-homosexuals" even coming about and saying they were never actually cured.
It's annoying to think that some faith from a 2000 year old book can best modern, scientific knowledge, and the way ye seem to go thinking that it can pushes the idea that's it's wrong and needs fixing which then leads to open discrimination and somehow the right that ye can go about doing it because ye think it's justified.0 -
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From reading this and watching the religious people handle the questions put to them and how they seem to justify them I've come to the conclusion that they are sheep.
Well speaking as a Christian, Christ is our shepherd. If you mean unthinking though, you'd be mistaken.Not to mean it in an extremely disrespectfull way, but all ye seem to do is follow without question and parrot back what you've been told to say. Ye don't seem to be able to look at things rationally for yourselves for a second to form a conclusion that wasn't already put together for you.
With respect, I think thats a rather convenient way of looking at things.
Firstly, it would be foolish to expect a Christian, who has Christ at the fore of his being, not to consult his/her Christianity on the matter.
Secondly, there are many non-religious reasons to question homosexuality, redefining marriage etc, but essentially, as a Christian, seeking Gods heart on the matter is what is most important.I'm not trying to offend
And no offense taken. Your decorum has been well above that of a lot of your peers (but thats not saying much tbh
/joke)I'm just genuinely confused as to why a person could be apart of that and not get to think for themselves and make their view of the world, good or bad, and judge it that way instead of always following the same message, same stance, same outlook of life for the last 2000 years. I just find that baffling.
The truth does not change. The Gospel is now, what it was since the beginning. This is not about a few blokes making some rules, but about God, living, and Christ Alive, saying 'Come to me, and I will give you life. Nail your flesh to the cross, and gain life. If your right eye makes you stumble, cut it out, better to enter into the kingdom blind, than hades with all your parts'. Our flesh is at war with us, bringing us to death, and as much as I go on, my sins bring me to the same death your sins bring you. The unrepentant greedy are going into the same death as the unrepentant murderers. The unrepentant pedophile is going to the same death as the unrepentant adulterer.
For man to change it, might suit modern views, but they'll just be changing the words. The truth, which they'll be avoiding, will still remain, but simply be silent. It would be the equivalent of a person not wanting a car to need petrol, so removing reference to it from the manual. The truth would still remain, that the car needs petrol.0 -
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Benny_Cake wrote: »C'mon now, there have been plenty of non-religious objections to same-sex marriage and homosexuality. The top one seems to be something along the lines of "I don't like it" or "it just isn't natural" - personal distaste/prejudice in other words.
True that but I was merely wondering which of them Jimi would choose to use..... I'm in firm agreement with you that not all objections to same sex marriage and the likes is religious in origin. 0 -
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