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td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

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  • #362
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    I've just got here but.........

    Has anyone called E.A.D a troll yet?


  • #363
    Ecce_Agnus_Dei
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 70 ✭✭Ecce_Agnus_Dei


    handlemaster wrote: »
    This is funny but I guess the poster is serious. Its tragic that we still have people in a religion whos very teaching is forgiveness and understanding coming out with this BS. The church should first apologise in a meaning full way and acknowledge the terrible abuse and horrers it inflicted upon the irish people. Also pay up the monies owed to the abuse victims that was aggreed upon to the state.

    The church can lecture and dictate no more; the people know what they are a group of people interested only in power and money.

    The church are perfectly entitled to lobby government (including individuals and political parties) for change and social justice.

    You talk about "forgiveness and understanding" -- that's only half the story. God is to be loved as well as feared. The church warns that God will judge and condemn those who live lives of debauchery, dishonesty, corruption and immorality. Of course you won't hear about this too much these days because angry God has been air-brushed out of the curriculum and the "nice bits" are emphasised. A failure on the part of those in charge of the catechesis of the faithful and their children.


  • #364
    murraykil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭murraykil


    Grayson wrote: »
    Could you at least reference it so we have some idea what you're talking about.

    "I won't say who said what, but they should be ashamed with themselves" :rolleyes:

    I think they are referring to how it was not a crime to not report a crime when Brady was there while children signing a vow of silence over their abuse at the hands of the paedophile priest.

    It's shocking how easily some people can dismiss such a heinous act as knowing that widespread child abuse is taking place and ignoring it.

    But it's all about personal salvation rather than real Christian values for such people. All they care about is following the ever changing rules that they are told will bring them salvation.

    There is no room for compassion if it gets in the way of doctrine or some new rule or policy.


  • #365
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Smidge wrote: »
    I've just got here but.........

    Has anyone called E.A.D a troll yet?


    They have to be as they are offering nothing of way of intelligence


  • #366
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    And with that you've just demonstrated an ignorance that knows no bounds.

    Doctors and priests serve very distinct roles.

    Yeah, one is useful in keeping you alive and healthy and the other is, eh.. I'll get back to you when see the use of one


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  • #367
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    handlemaster wrote: »
    They have to be as they are offering nothing of way of intelligence

    I was just checking because I hate to be the second person to say something;)


  • #368
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    I love me some debauchery. Yummy. Even nicer than magic bread.


  • #369
    Ecce_Agnus_Dei
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 70 ✭✭Ecce_Agnus_Dei


    Sarky wrote: »
    But yes, there's a whole world that your church hasn't been paying attention to. So much wonderful knowledge, customs, subcultures, arts and discovery, you probably couldn't imagine half of it.

    Do you have an example of this? I can assure you that the church are very up to speed on other faiths and cultures. The best minds (priest, religious and lay) study, research and teach at Vatican city (and elsewhere) and are well up on the matters you refer to.

    It's a pity the Irish State which you swear allegiance to isn't so up to speed on the affairs of other nations and makes short-sighted diplomatic decisions (such as closing embassies, dishonestly citing "financial reasons")


  • #370
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Smidge wrote: »
    I've just got here but.........

    Has anyone called E.A.D a troll yet?

    Trolling is an art form requiring wit and style. That guy has so far displayed less of either than an east-European Eurovision entry.


  • #371
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Ancient Greece, unlike the Catholic Church, hasn't survived the test of time now, has it?

    Why don't you atheists feck off to Greece where you can wallow in your nihilism to your hearts' content?

    Socrates taught Plato. Plato taught Aristotle. Plato also founded the Academy, one of the worlds first universities.

    Most modern church doctorine is platonism that was modified by St. Thomas Aquinias and St. Augustine. They spent years trying to adapt an athiests philosophy to christianity to try and validate christianity.

    The first person to posit that an eternal soul existed was a greek, Pythagoras. The jews hadn't even done that. They adopted that.

    You owe the Greeks for most modern christian thinking.


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  • #372
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    lazygal wrote: »
    I love me some debauchery. Yummy. Even nicer than magic bread.

    A decade of the rosary for you, Jezebel :P


  • #373
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Do you have an example of this? I can assure you that the church are very up to speed on other faiths and cultures. The best minds (priest, religious and lay) study, research and teach at Vatican city (and elsewhere) and are well up on the matters you refer to.

    It's a pity the Irish State which you swear allegiance to isn't so up to speed on the affairs of other nations and makes short-sighted diplomatic decisions (such as closing embassies, dishonestly citing "financial reasons")

    You mean when they find an organisation has been sheltering child abusers? damn right I'd shut down the embassy.


  • #374
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Do you have an example of this? I can assure you that the church are very up to speed on other faiths and cultures. The best minds (priest, religious and lay) study, research and teach at Vatican city (and elsewhere) and are well up on the matters you refer to.

    It's a pity the Irish State which you swear allegiance to isn't so up to speed on the affairs of other nations and makes short-sighted diplomatic decisions (such as closing embassies, dishonestly citing "financial reasons")

    Okay..


  • #375
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Do you have an example of this? I can assure you that the church are very up to speed on other faiths and cultures. The best minds (priest, religious and lay) study, research and teach at Vatican city (and elsewhere) and are well up on the matters you refer to.

    It's a pity the Irish State which you swear allegiance to isn't so up to speed on the affairs of other nations and makes short-sighted diplomatic decisions (such as closing embassies, dishonestly citing "financial reasons")

    I don't recall swearing allegiance to any particular state, unless you count the internet. Well, there was that time I was forced to undergo confirmation as a Catholic and nobody would listen to my protests, but we all know the Vatican is a fraud state so that doesn't count.

    But please keep typing. Your butthurt over seeing Catholicism dying on its arse in this country is pretty cathartic.


  • #376
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    that's only half the story. God is to be loved as well as feared. The church warns that God will judge and condemn those who live lives of debauchery, dishonesty, corruption and immorality. Of course you won't hear about this too much these days because angry God has been air-brushed out of the curriculum and the "nice bits" are emphasised.
    your God must be a very unhappy man


  • #377
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Smidge wrote: »
    Now we KNOW you are messing....

    The Irish state isn't up to speed on it's OWN affairs never mind the affairs of any where else.

    And i can't think of anyone who'd swear allegiance to it. We're not americans.


  • #378
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Do you have an example of this? I can assure you that the church are very up to speed on other faiths and cultures. The best minds (priest, religious and lay) study, research and teach at Vatican city (and elsewhere) and are well up on the matters you refer to.

    It's a pity the Irish State which you swear allegiance to isn't so up to speed on the affairs of other nations and makes short-sighted diplomatic decisions (such as closing embassies, dishonestly citing "financial reasons")
    True, it's an awful shame we're so behind on things like proper abortion legislation and gay marriage to say the least, but obviously these things take a second seat to a few holy club houses being closed.

    It's such a shame


  • #379
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    The church are perfectly entitled to lobby government (including individuals and political parties) for change and social justice.

    You talk about "forgiveness and understanding" -- that's only half the story. God is to be loved as well as feared. The church warns that God will judge and condemn those who live lives of debauchery, dishonesty, corruption and immorality. Of course you won't hear about this too much these days because angry God has been air-brushed out of the curriculum and the "nice bits" are emphasised. A failure on the part of those in charge of the catechesis of the faithful and their children.


    Your putting on quiet a show.. its a good laugh. You didnt actually reply to what I was saying. By all mean keep up the act but make it more interesting by keep on topic and answering what posters are saying... it keeps it more real


  • #380
    Ecce_Agnus_Dei
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 70 ✭✭Ecce_Agnus_Dei


    Grayson wrote: »
    Socrates taught Plato. Plato taught Aristotle. Plato also founded the Academy, one of the worlds first universities.

    Most modern church doctorine is platonism that was modified by St. Thomas Aquinias and St. Augustine. They spent years trying to adapt an athiests philosophy to christianity to try and validate christianity.

    The first person to posit that an eternal soul existed was a greek, Pythagoras. The jews hadn't even done that. They adopted that.

    You owe the Greeks for most modern christian thinking.

    Ancient Greece is a nice trip on the tourist trail, but it's long gong. It doesn't exist anymore. Ancient Greece (like Ancient Rome) is history that has been successfully appropriated by the Holy See.

    The Vatican is a living, breathing entity that has been around for thousands of years and is the spiritual home to 1.3 billion of the world's people.

    You should go to the Vatican museum some time and check out their collection of Greek artifacts.


  • #381
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Ancient Greece is a nice trip on the tourist trail, but it's long gong. It doesn't exist anymore. Ancient Greece (like Ancient Rome) is history that has been successfully appropriated by the Holy See.

    The Vatican is a living, breathing entity that has been around for thousands of years and is the spiritual home to 1.3 billion of the world's people.

    You should go to the Vatican museum some time and check out their collection of Greek artifacts.


    you should also go and see the place its dripping in gold and priceless artifacts.....


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  • #382
    Ecce_Agnus_Dei
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 70 ✭✭Ecce_Agnus_Dei


    Sarky wrote: »
    Your butthurt over seeing Catholicism dying on its arse in this country is pretty cathartic.

    The future of catholicism in Ireland is by way of a smaller, truer church that is more outward looking and evangelical.

    Catholicism goes way beyond your narrow-minded Irish perspective of what Catholicism is. There are 1.3 billion faithful the world over. This population is increasing as is the number of priests and religious.


  • #383
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,209 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    The church are perfectly entitled to lobby government (including individuals and political parties) for change and social justice.

    What would the church know about social justice?


  • #384
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    The future of catholicism in Ireland is by way of a smaller, truer church that is more outward looking and evangelical.

    Catholicism goes way beyond your narrow-minded Irish perspective of what Catholicism is. There are 1.3 billion faithful the world over. This population is increasing as is the number of priests and religious.

    And decreasing sharply every winter, despite the care we all provide to the elderly. Go on, say something else. Ooh, like the child abuse scandals were the fault of sexy children.


  • #385
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,209 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    The future of catholicism in Ireland is by way of a smaller, truer church that is more outward looking and evangelical.

    Catholicism goes way beyond your narrow-minded Irish perspective of what Catholicism is. There are 1.3 billion faithful the world over. This population is increasing as is the number of priests and religious.

    Surely then it is in the best interest of catholicism in Ireland to have justice served on the church?


  • #386
    murraykil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭murraykil


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Do you have an example of this? I can assure you that the church are very up to speed on other faiths and cultures. The best minds (priest, religious and lay) study, research and teach at Vatican city (and elsewhere) and are well up on the matters you refer to.

    It's a pity the Irish State which you swear allegiance to isn't so up to speed on the affairs of other nations and makes short-sighted diplomatic decisions (such as closing embassies, dishonestly citing "financial reasons")

    If you are interested in dishonesty and financial matters look no further than the Vatican bank! :rolleyes:


  • #387
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    Ancient Greece is a nice trip on the tourist trail, but it's long gong. It doesn't exist anymore. Ancient Greece (like Ancient Rome) is history that has been successfully appropriated by the Holy See.

    The Vatican is a living, breathing entity that has been around for thousands of years and is the spiritual home to 1.3 billion of the world's people.

    You should go to the Vatican museum some time and check out their collection of Greek artifacts.


    Or take a tour of some of the old papal residences. Very interesting taste in art, had the popes.


  • #388
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    I won't repeat the libel by quoting the offending post. But if any of you cool and with-it dudes/dudesses have information that the DPP don't have, I'd go straight to your local garda station without delay.

    Until then, put up or shut up.

    It certainly is not libelous to state that mr sean brady enabled a paedophile preiest to rape and abuse dozens if not hundreds of children, this is the Mr Brady thatb now wants to lecture the rest of us on matters of morality and social justice.
    The man is an abomination and deserves nothing but contempt for his role in allowing and enabling the sexual abuse of children.


  • #389
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Nodin wrote: »
    Or take a tour of some of the old papal residences. Very interesting taste in art, had the popes.

    My favourite pope is Pious II, because he wrote a buttload of porn, was friends with Dracula, and his real name, Aenas, sounds like "anus".


  • #390
    Madam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Madam


    Ecce_Agnus_Dei wrote: »
    You can't have people who have had the benefit of a Catholic upbringing, a Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times; simply turn their back on their faith in the church's tempore necessitatis just because it's politically expedient to do so

    You are living in the 21st century?

    'Catholic education and a church that has been by their side through the most difficult of times;'

    Now that made me smile - your being serious now are you? your not coming back with 'ah I was only kidding ya!


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  • #391
    belcampprisoner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 698 ✭✭✭belcampprisoner


    in my day they would have been excommunicated


    http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/priest-facing-threat-of-excommunication-1.964597


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