Money stolen from envelope - Baldoyle sorting office

hedgehog21 · 26-02-2013 09:35AM

aujopimur wrote: »

It happens a lot, you hav'nt a hope of getting anywhere with a complaint. People do it all the time, the card is a dead givaway, it's safer in a business type envelope.
It's illegal to send cash in the post.

No its not
http://www.anpost.ie/anpost/maincontent/personal+customers/money+matters/money+transfer/
It's just never a good idea

aujopimur · 26-02-2013 10:53AM

hedgehog21 wrote: »

No its not
http://www.anpost.ie/anpost/maincontent/personal+customers/money+matters/money+transfer/
It's just never a good idea

My mistake, it seems An Post are behind most other countries in this regard.

Knine · 26-02-2013 11:16AM

I would not reckon the guards would do anything. My next door neighbour cashed a cheque belonging to me. The money was for medical treatment for a child in the UK. Despite having the bank details. They did not bother following it up.

hedgehog21 · 26-02-2013 12:48PM

aujopimur wrote: »

My mistake, it seems An Post are behind most other countries in this regard.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6624012_postal-laws-sending-money-mail.html
I dont know where you are getting information that it's illegal, it's rather stupid(sorry OP)
but if you could enlighten me I would gladly accept it.

Knine wrote: »

I would not reckon the guards would do anything. My next door neighbour cashed a cheque belonging to me. The money was for medical treatment for a child in the UK. Despite having the bank details. They did not bother following it up.

Did you sign the chq or ask them to?

Knine · 26-02-2013 01:02PM

hedgehog21 wrote: »

http://www.ehow.com/list_6624012_postal-laws-sending-money-mail.html
I dont know where you are getting information that it's illegal, it's rather stupid(sorry OP)
but if you could enlighten me I would gladly accept it.

Did you sign the chq or ask them to?

It was a HSE cheque. I never even seen it but a letter was left off my address so it went next door instead. They know what Bank it was cashed in but the Bank could do nothing until the Gardai requested the info.

I intend waiting until I move house before pursuing it further due to the fact that the offenders are not nice people.

Basically the Gardai did not bother their arse.

hedgehog21 · 26-02-2013 01:04PM

Knine wrote: »

It was a HSE cheque. I never even seen it but a letter was left off my address so it went next door instead. They know what Bank it was cashed in but the Bank could do nothing until the Gardai requested the info.

I intend waiting until I move house before pursuing it further due to the fact that the offenders are not nice people.

Basically the Gardai did not bother their arse.

That is crazy, how can abank cash it into an acc thats NOT in the same name? I dont get it, I have to prove my identity everytime I go into the bloody bank

Knine · 26-02-2013 01:14PM

hedgehog21 wrote: »

That is crazy, how can abank cash it into an acc thats NOT in the same name? I dont get it, I have to prove my identity everytime I go into the bloody bank

I know. Disgraceful.

I have suspicions that the cheque was cashed in the offenders workplace by himself and then lodged by the unsuspecting business.

Even more disgraceful is that they got away with it even though all the evidence was available.

26-02-2013 01:19PM

kneemos wrote: »

What makes a registered letter more traceable than any other?

The fact that it gets a tracking number, passes checkpoints as it moves which are logged electronically, and then gets signed for when it's delivered.

The_Morrigan · 26-02-2013 01:29PM

leeomurchu wrote: »

You more than likely wont get any money off the post office.

Something similar happened to the mother in law she sent €100 in the post for new baby.

It was stolen somewhere in Carlow/portlaoise sorting office.

The post office gave the mother in law 2 stamps as compensation. W@nkers!!!

2 weeks later a gift sent for the new baby in a padded envelope stolen.

envelope had been opened and clothes removed they left the card which detailed what was sent but had been removed.

You can trust no one these days!!!

This happened me, I sent a present to a friend down the country, it was clothing. Package never arrived and neither the local sorting office nor the one down the country will even acknowledge the blatent theft.

Tiddlypeeps · 26-02-2013 02:05PM

kneemos wrote: »

What makes a registered letter more traceable than any other?

Not sure what the difference is but I've had registered post go missing as often as regular post. I could be just very unlucky tho. Never sent money by post, but I've had important documents go missing too many times.

26-02-2013 04:42PM

Received a birthday card in the post the other day myself that had been ripped open, stuck back together and sealed in a bag from An Post stating "This item was damaged"... there wasn't anything in the card to rob but it was very obviously a birthday card. "Damaged" is one way to put it. I'd only send cash registered post if at all.

hedgehog21 · 26-02-2013 06:01PM

Knine wrote: »

I know. Disgraceful.

I have suspicions that the cheque was cashed in the offenders workplace by himself and then lodged by the unsuspecting business.

Even more disgraceful is that they got away with it even though all the evidence was available.

It really is disgusting that people can be that dishonest.
I just dont know why the HSE can't transfer into the account, when it would cheaper transaction costs for them. i.e chq and postage.

sging1 · 02-05-2013 04:53PM

Stupid thing to do I know but my sister-in-law posted a couple of hundred Euros last month from Limerick to Wales and registered it requiring a signature. It was for my new born grandson and she put the envelope inside a jiffy bag and selotaped it. It got to us ok but had been cut open neatly with a sharp knife and the money removed along with the inner envelope but the card showing it was for a new born baby boy was put back into the jiffy bag and it carried on through the postal system and got to us. They even neatly tried to re-seal using scotch sticky tape.

I have to say over the years we have lost the odd cards with money in between Wales and Ireland but we have never received actually received the package with items or money missing. I thought before it may be stolen out of the system but this shows it a theft with the postal system somewhere.

This issue is not the fact the money should not have been sent like this but the fact the envelope was opened in the trust of postal workers.

Royal Mail and An Post are fully investigating but as this a crime I can’t understand why the Garda or police don’t get more involved and why they say its an internal matter.

02-05-2013 05:31PM

sging1 wrote: »

I have to say over the years we have lost the odd cards with money in between Wales and Ireland but we have never received actually received the package with items or money missing. I thought before it may be stolen out of the system but this shows it a theft with the postal system somewhere.

As far as I know, certain countries have better reputations for postal theft than others, Britain being one of the ones where money often goes missing. Now of course, that might just be due to the high volume of cards with money that Britain probably receives from Ireland. Either way it would certainly deter me from doing it myself.

CrazyRabbit · 02-05-2013 05:39PM

Does anyone know the best place in the D13 area for exchanging currency? Oh, and what's the current USD-->Euro exchange rate at the moment?

tritium · 02-05-2013 07:27PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Does anyone know the best place in the D13 area for exchanging currency? Oh, and what's the current USD-->Euro exchange rate at the moment?

A bank? And since you have a computer I assume you can use google as well as any if us to get the latest exchange rate

UCDVet · 02-05-2013 08:46PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Does anyone know the best place in the D13 area for exchanging currency? Oh, and what's the current USD-->Euro exchange rate at the moment?

To be fair - transferring money is a huge pain in the arse....

Lots of banks will claim 'no fees' but they use a really low exchange rate. End result is you are paying them a fee...and of course...you need to know all of the receiving bank account's details (so it makes gift giving a bit awkward....'Okay - what was your SORT CODE again?...').

Western Union is more expensive - but it is a bit easier. Whomever you send it to can just walk into a Western Union in the US and get the money (but again - they take a bigger cut).

There are some online sites that work like the banks - but charge less; I don't want to get flagged as spam - so I'll just mention some names. I've personally used TransferWise and it is the best I've found. I spent a lot of time dealing with XE and would not recommend them. On the plus side - you can do it all without ever leaving your house.

These sites cost less, but generally take longer than a bank wire because you first put money into their account and when it clears, they make the transfer.

If it's just a one time gift and it's a small amount - maybe it's not worth your time - but if you are going to do it a few times or with larger amounts it can make a big difference in how much you end up with.

Current exchange rate is right around 1 EUR = 1.31 USD. TransferWise would give you 1.30, but banks that charge 'no fee' would give you something like 1.275. Western Union would give you something around 1.25

The same holds true for all the countries I've looked and sending money too (with different rates, obviously)

OU812 · 03-05-2013 08:34AM

I guess someon from an post head office is on here.

Got a letter from them this morning which said they "were unable to ascertain where the extraction occurred".

Note they didn't use the word theft.

Apparantly though they record all instances of money going missing (no theft again) & review it regularly.

So that's nice.

They also sent four 60c stamps as a gesture of good will.

mathie · 03-05-2013 09:47AM

OU812 wrote: »

I guess someon from an post head office is on here.

Got a letter from them this morning which said they "were unable to ascertain where the extraction occurred".

Note they didn't use the word theft.

Apparantly though they record all instances of money going missing (no theft again) & review it regularly.

So that's nice.

They also sent four 60c stamps as a gesture of good will.

They're extracting the pi$$.

ruthloss · 03-05-2013 10:23AM

mathie wrote: »

They're extracting the pi$$.

In before the 'Stick It' post:)

donegal_road · 03-05-2013 10:28AM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Does anyone know the best place in the D13 area for exchanging currency? Oh, and what's the current USD-->Euro exchange rate at the moment?

An Post have a no charge deal on currency exchanges at the moment, only for dollar and sterling though.

kylith · 03-05-2013 10:46AM

browneire wrote: »

Had a galaxy S3 delivered from dabs by an post through Kilrush po. Arrived with small rip on the outside of the packaging box. Phone and battery were lifted from the manufacturers box. Unfortunately parcel was signed for at this end. Complaint lodged with an post, no feedback. Dabs paid out after some pushing.

USB dongles stolen from envelope through Kilrush PO. Complaint. No feedback.

I could have been misinformed but I was told in a previous job that you should write 'unchecked', 'uninspected' or 'unseen' when you sign for a package if you haven't been able open it before you sign for it. In this way you're declaring that while you've accepted the package you have not checked the contents and therefore can't confirm if the entire order has been received by you as ordered.

As I said, I don't know if I've been misinformed, but I tend to always do it when accepting packages, just in case.

dark crystal · 03-05-2013 10:52AM

Seems to me like An Post is a perfect place for a thief to work without impunity.

How many of these robbing scumbags ever get caught and prosecuted I wonder?

Jaxxy · 03-05-2013 11:01AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Seems to me like An Post is a perfect place for a thief to work without impunity.

How many of these robbing scumbags ever get caught and prosecuted I wonder?

Quite a few actually. Once proven it is an instant dismissal with the culprit being prosecuted. An Post do have procedures in place to deal with this. It is very important to report any suspicions or losses. All information helps.

dark crystal · 03-05-2013 11:10AM

Jaxxy wrote: »

Quite a few actually. Once proven it is an instant dismissal with the culprit being prosecuted. An Post do have procedures in place to deal with this. It is very important to report any suspicions or losses. All information helps.

I hope so. Just from reading this thread, it seems quite a few people have been victims of theft by An Post employees and very few (if any) of them seem to have been satisfied by the outcome, having reported the crime.

I've never actually had this happen to me personally, but it makes my blood boil to think there are people scummy (and brazen) enough to open someone else's private mail and just help themselves. It's absolutely scandalous, imo.

kylith · 03-05-2013 11:14AM

dark crystal wrote: »

I hope so. Just from reading this thread, it seems quite a few people have been victims of theft by An Post employees and very few (if any) of them seem to have been satisfied by the outcome, having reported the crime.

I've never actually had this happen to me personally, but it makes my blood boil to think there are people scummy (and brazen) enough to open someone else's private mail and just help themselves. It's absolutely scandalous, imo.

That's probably because while an AP employee may be caught stealing and be fired and/or prosecuted it would be practically impossible to tell whom they were stealing from, unless they're caught red handed so people who've reported thefts are unlikely to get a call saying 'we found the guy that robbed €20 out of your birthday card'.

gobnaitolunacy · 03-05-2013 11:15AM

aujopimur wrote: »

It's illegal to send cash in the post.

Not illegal, just stupid to send large sums.

kennryyr · 03-05-2013 11:16AM

Morph the Cat wrote: »

What sort of a dipsh*t sends cash in the post?

Maybe someone who has a little faith in the hard working people of An Post that their money won't be stolen?

Voodoomelon · 03-05-2013 11:22AM

In 120 posts, only one person mentioned it could have happened on the US side.
I had a business account with An Post and hand delivered large amounts of parcels for years to my local office and saw how things worked.

If the letter was on its way to the states, it would have likely only have been touched by just two sets of hands here, maybe not even. The initial sort where it was posted, and perhaps a second sort in Dublin before international dispatch.

It's likely it was handled more on the US side than over here.

Jaxxy · 03-05-2013 11:25AM

dark crystal wrote: »

I hope so. Just from reading this thread, it seems quite a few people have been victims of theft by An Post employees and very few (if any) of them seem to have been satisfied by the outcome, having reported the crime.

I've never actually had this happen to me personally, but it makes my blood boil to think there are people scummy (and brazen) enough to open someone else's private mail and just help themselves. It's absolutely scandalous, imo.

The thing is, if an operative is suspected of theft the investigation can sometimes go on for an extended period of time. If there are complaints they are collected. Various addresses on the operative's route are tested. All CCTV has to be reviewed (and there's a lot of that) and evidence compiled. Sometimes it's a straightforward process, other times not, but chances are if an operative is dismissed and prosecuted for theft or willful delay of the mail the original Complainant won't be informed. That's probably where the misconception that An Post do nothing about theft comes from, as the majority of people will just be told that their complaint will be investigated, and nothing else. It's really all the DSMs in the delivery offices can say.

But I do assure you that the complaints of theft are taken very seriously, and if you've had something stolen from your mail always report it!

Money stolen from envelope - Baldoyle sorting office

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