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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    no, no, a million times no!
    this guy is in full time employment, that's not what SVDP is for.
    there is always ways to save money in his/her budget and avoid "living on Weetabix" without taking a charity's money away from those who really need it.

    SVDP is for people who have fallen on hard times. If the OP is hungry and has no money, regardless of his other circumstances, then this is what the SVDP is for. Instead of a pay day loan, go to the SVDP, and instead of giving 25% to some loan shark, go back to the SVDP and contribute something to them. You'd be amazed how far they would stretch 25 euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    ArtyC wrote: »
    Although very common in the uk, not so much here. I'm in a tight spot. Very tempted .... Well desperate more than tempted. Anyone here have good/ bad stories about these loans. Font want to make my situation worse. I'm in full time employment but after a week of weetabix I could do with a loan I could pay back gradually. Bank and credit union a no go

    You don't pay a payday loan back 'gradually'. You pay it back in full on your payday. Otherwise you're screwed.

    Far easier to stick on the weetabix for another week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    This is AH. Get the loan. Itll be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    They are what they are you just need to be able to use them. It is like a credit card to an extent. People who use them incorrectly are the one that the fault lies with.

    A short term loan with a high interest rate.

    Wonga actually operates out of Ireland. I wouldn't even apply for a job with them as I find it morally questionable.

    I personally wouldn't use them and luckily don't ever see a need.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    no, no, a million times no!
    the OP is in full time employment, that's not what SVDP is for.
    there is always ways to save money in his/her budget and avoid "living on Weetabix" without taking a charity's money away from those who really need it.


    I think it is up to SVDP to make their own call on that, and depending on his personal circumsatnces from what I know they may indeed intervene.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    syklops wrote: »
    SVDP is for people who have fallen on hard times. If the OP is hungry and has no money, regardless of his other circumstances,

    by that logic you would have SDVP paying people's mortgages if they lose their job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    by that logic you would have SDVP paying people's mortgages if they lose their job.

    I think you will find SVDP are helping people feed themselves while they spend their dole money on mortgages. Thats an everyday occurrence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Goolay


    This thread has (genuinely) made me hungry for Weetabix.

    Don't do it OP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    by that logic you would have SDVP paying people's mortgages if they lose their job.

    You are really living up to your user name aren't you!!


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't see any problem.. The high APR figure is just pointless the loans get paid off so quickly.

    If I was getting 2k into my account next week but had nothing this week, I'd see it as more than worth it to pay 25e interest to have 100e now and buy food. I'd go the opposite and say that only an idiot would go starving on Weetabix instead.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Don't see any problem.. The high APR figure is just pointless the loans get paid off so quickly.

    If I was getting 2k into my account next week but had nothing this week, I'd see it as more than worth it to pay 25e interest to have 100e now and buy food. I'd go the opposite and say that only an idiot would go starving on Weetabix instead.

    If your living on weetabix and you're still starving then you're doing it wrong.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    syklops wrote: »
    If your living on weetabix and you're still starving then you're doing it wrong.

    I actually did live on Weetabix for 5 days before in university and wasn't starving.. Should have been "go starving and have to live on Weetabix".

    I was noticeably white afterwards so I don't recommend it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭hal9000


    payday loans companies, great bunch of lads cЦnts!


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hal9000 wrote: »
    payday loans companies, great bunch of lads cЦnts!

    Yea, those complete scum offering a service with all the conditions laid out easily for people.
    Damn the banks! They gave me a mortgage. Damn the pay-day loan companies! They gave me a lend.

    Love people's warped sense of responsibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    There is a maximum APR in Ireland on loans which either doesn't exist in the UK or is a magnitude+ higher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Goolay wrote: »
    This thread has (genuinely) made me hungry for Weetabix.

    Don't do it OP

    I just had some rasher sambos,yum.

    Aldi & Lidl,ftw. There's enough in their fruit & veg offers to knock up a half decent meal for about €2.

    @The op,avoid the sharks that are payday loan crowds.The BBC did a piece on them,a lot of people ended up getting a loan then getting another from a different crowd just to pay back the original one-a vicious circle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    Yea, those complete scum offering a service with all the conditions laid out easily for people.
    Damn the banks! They gave me a mortgage. Damn the pay-day loan companies! They gave me a lend.

    Love people's warped sense of responsibility.

    maybe if world economies didnt have the average joe in debt or on the verge of it they would'nt need to exist!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭ArtyC


    syklops wrote: »
    If you're in full time employment, where is your money going that you have to live on weetabix? Instead of looking for a quick fix, try and find a long term solution.

    I'm newly in full time employment. Have a dependent spouse who's waiting on the dole and recently moved into a house. It's for the deposit. My wages after 40 hours a week is 320 . It's been a tough couple of weeks and didn't know where else to post/ ask. I pay 50 back a week on loan. With boi. I pay the rent and bills. Yes even people in full time employment can end up on the weetabix.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,900 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Senna wrote: »
    Getting paid monthly is a PITA, Weekly is so much better.

    Rent week is no barrel of laughs when you're paid weekly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭Corkbah


    beano345 wrote: »
    maybe if world economies didnt have the average joe in debt or on the verge of it they would'nt need to exist!

    its always the world economies fault .... blame the government, blame the EMF, blame the IRA, blame another acronym !!

    take feckin' responsibility for your own actions .... OP... monitor your finances, if you can afford weetabix you can buy the cheaper brand in Aldi, Lidl, Dunnes, Tesco etc and I'm guessing that weetabix is not dry so you'll probably have milk/sugar or a piece of fruit with it.

    try buying a big bag/box of porridge - cheaper than weetabix and more filling...and better for your dietry system.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭hal9000


    Yea, those complete scum offering a service with all the conditions laid out easily for people.
    Damn the banks! They gave me a mortgage. Damn the pay-day loan companies! They gave me a lend.

    Love people's warped sense of responsibility.

    I'm in no way defending the banks, just as guilty for reckless lending. (Now they just wont lend)

    but payday loans are guilty by continuing to sell loans to people that clearly cant afford these types of loans, infact they are preying on these people, and the exorbitant interest rates are just a joke! 1700%...seems legit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭Pudders


    Payday lenders are loan sharks without the menacing money collectors with a baseball bat.

    Our firm was asked to consider in investing in one and whilst we did some due diligence, we declined on ethical grounds. Some of their practises are extremely wrong.

    The interest they charge is effectively 25-30%on a monthly basis, annualised in the 1000%s. Borrow £100, pay back £130.
    If you can't pay, they will keep hitting your bank account with random direct debot amounts until they recover their money without considering any extra charges or impact this has because of failed bank direct debits etc.
    If you have more than one payday loan within a year, you will not get credit from other banks etc.
    They encourage people to roll over their loan and so they keep taking interest. We saw teh history of oepoor woman who borrowed £100 and ended up paying back £310. And that wasn't an isolated case.
    They will phone up your work and home demanding payment at all sorts of unreasonable hours. If you want your work colleagues to know you have money problems, they will make sure that they find out.

    There are a myriad of other reasons.

    If you need cash for an emergency, then I would suggest family and friends first. If that fails, music magpie - sell your old cds and dvds etc. Even ask your work for an advance loan. A payday loan should be the absolute last last resort and only if you have to have the cash.

    If it is not for an emergency, then you shouldn't even consider it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭beano345


    its always the world economies fault .... blame the government, blame the EMF, blame the IRA, blame another acronym !!

    sorry my man but thats b*llox..ireland is a prime example of this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭galwayhillbilly


    Offering someone a payday loan who is desperate is the equivalent of landing a lovely creamy pint of guinness in front of an alchohloic who has just taken the pledge. Yes we have personal responsibility but we are human and we make mistakes. Those payday loans, gambling/bingo websites are blitzing day time TV with ads, the people watching them are completely vulnerable. These ads need to be banned in all formats and all medias and we need to have them banned in the UK too as lots of irish people are watching uk channels too, (free to air before any of you start going on about giving up Sky tv)
    Anyway to those of you who say the Vincent De Paul is not for employed people, I think they themselves would dispute this, and other charities would be the same. Also in this instance I was trying to stop the OP from making a serious mistake. Going to the VDP now will prevent the OP from going into a cycle of debt which would could lead to homelessness and dependence on the taxpayer and the charities in the future. Yes he does need to manage his finances better but if a food hamper or a few free meals gets him to pay day I cannot see anything wrong with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭Retrovertigo


    Pudders wrote: »
    If you can't pay, they will keep hitting your bank account with random direct debot amounts until they recover their money without considering any extra charges or impact this has because of failed bank direct debits etc.

    Wrong, they are not entitled to do this and risk losing their licence with the FSA if they do. They are entitled only to try again on your next scheduled paydate be it weekly/monthly etc.
    Pudders wrote: »
    If you have more than one payday loan within a year, you will not get credit from other banks etc.

    Also wrong. Having a payday loan won't affect you and most people turn to payday loans after already being refused by a bank.
    Pudders wrote: »
    They will phone up your work and home demanding payment at all sorts of unreasonable hours. If you want your work colleagues to know you have money problems, they will make sure that they find out.

    Wrong again. Under data protection regulations they cannot speak with a third party regarding the loan. If someone calls your workplace and even leaves a message for you this is broken and you can report them. They also can ONLY call you during regular working hours, up until 8pm IIRC. Payday loan companies are terrified of these reports as it doesn't take many before they're heavily fined and/or lose their license.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,488 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    If you can't manage your money being paid monthly, the simple solution is to set up two current accounts, have your wages paid into one, out of which your bills can be paid and get a weekly direct debit paid into your every day account.

    But, yeah payday loans are a dangerous cause they get you in a vicious cycle. Paying the interest off one month, leaves people short the following month, so they take out money again. They thrive off these repeat customers. People rarely only use them once.

    I really think financial literacy and budgeting should be a compulsory subject in school. It's one of the most crucial skills in life, and yet one which so many people have difficulty with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,390 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Do the weetabix have milk on them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Sad story from Bolton as a guy set himself on fire due to debts he owed to payday loan companies, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324769/Father-owed-payday-loan-firms-1-600-set-bombarded-phone-calls-text-messages.html
    A father struggling to cope with mounting debts to payday loan companies died after setting himself on fire, an inquest has heard.

    In the hours before his death, Antony Breeze was bombarded with calls and text messages from three different loan firms reminding him he owed them £1,600.

    On the day he ended his life, the 36-year-old told his girlfriend, Amanda Lowe, that he was buying petrol for her father's lawnmower.

    Minutes later he went to a secluded alleyway near his home in Horwich, Bolton, where he set himself on fire.

    A man who tried to help him told the inquest that before being put into the ambulance Mr Breeze said to him 'I've had enough. I'm in debt'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    ArtyC wrote: »
    Although very common in the uk, not so much here. I'm in a tight spot. Very tempted .... Well desperate more than tempted. Anyone here have good/ bad stories about these loans. Font want to make my situation worse. I'm in full time employment but after a week of weetabix I could do with a loan I could pay back gradually. Bank and credit union a no go

    Under no circumstances should you have anything to do with these gangsters. I was in a tight spot a few years ago and got one, the interest rates are so huge you'll be paying it off forever and if you miss a single payment, even by accident, they come down on you like a ton of bricks.
    Even applying for these things fucks up your credit rating.
    Must have been four years ago i got one for a fairly modest amount in an emergency. In three months I will have it paid off.
    Do not...give these bastards...the time of day

    contact the citizens advice bureau or organise a meeting with your local credit union.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Wrong, they are not entitled to do this and risk losing their licence with the FSA if they do. They are entitled only to try again on your next scheduled paydate be it weekly/monthly etc.



    Also wrong. Having a payday loan won't affect you and most people turn to payday loans after already being refused by a bank.



    Wrong again. Under data protection regulations they cannot speak with a third party regarding the loan. If someone calls your workplace and even leaves a message for you this is broken and you can report them. They also can ONLY call you during regular working hours, up until 8pm IIRC. Payday loan companies are terrified of these reports as it doesn't take many before they're heavily fined and/or lose their license.

    This guy must work for some of these cowboys or something. i know, from personal experience, they do all this stuff.


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