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What happened to TV3 HD ?

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  • #32
    nikon1000
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    Vincent Brown mentioned at the start of his programme tonight that starting Monday night they would be coming from a new HD studio and would have space for a studio audience.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
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    nikon1000 wrote: »
    Vincent Brown mentioned at the start of his programme tonight that starting Monday night they would be coming from a new HD studio and would have space for a studio audience.

    Heard that but alas no mention of a HD channel

    So we have TV 3 in a HD studio broadcasting in SD.


  • #34
    iseegirls
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    Did anyone watch the special Vincent Browne show they recorded there a few weeks ago on TV3.ie yet?

    The studio audience seemed a little crammed to me. A few words said from the guy of RTE saying that wages at TV3 mustn't be great, if their 'stars' are working weekend jobs elsewhere. Wonder who he's talking about.

    Is there tickets available to be in the studio audience?


  • #35
    Sam Russell
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Heard that but alas no mention of a HD channel

    So we have TV 3 in a HD studio broadcasting in SD.

    I think we will have TV3 in a Sony HD studio broadcasting in SD (but not on Saorsat).


  • #36
    Sponge Bob
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    They wont pay for the x4 frequency they will take up on saorview :(


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  • #37
    RadioRetro
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    Vincent Browne's coming from the HD studio again tonight.


  • #38
    Jpmarn
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    According to a man who works in the tv trade it looks like all the four main former analogue channels will turn HD later this year.


  • #39
    The Cush
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    Jpmarn wrote: »
    According to a man who works in the tv trade it looks like all the four main former analogue channels will turn HD later this year.

    We know the former analogue channels will eventually go HD but not until the second mux become available and TV3 agree to pay the higher capacity costs for an HD channel. We're still waiting for the Ministerial Decision on multilpex tarrif charges. The "man who works in the tv trade" knows no more than we do here.


  • #40
    donegal.
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    has the BA decided who's getting the licenses for the 2nd mux yet?


  • #41
    The Cush
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    donegal. wrote: »
    has the BA decided who's getting the licenses for the 2nd mux yet?

    Nothing official yet.

    This was posted by glimmerman123 late last year - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81217953#post81217953

    Based on article here - http://cce.gno.ie/news/2012/10Oct/11dso.php


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  • #42
    glimmerman123
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    Jpmarn wrote: »
    According to a man who works in the tv trade it looks like all the four main former analogue channels will turn HD later this year.
    I don't know when TV3 HD will appear but TG4 is already part time HD on UPC and the director general of RTE said that RTE ONE will be HD By the end of this year.


  • #43
    The Cush
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    glimmerman123 wrote: »
    the director general of RTE said that RTE ONE will be HD By the end of this year.

    Provided the second mux is up and running by then, no spare capacity on the existing mux.


  • #44
    galtee boy
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    glimmerman123 wrote: »
    I don't know when TV3 HD will appear but TG4 is already part time HD on UPC and the director general of RTE said that RTE ONE will be HD By the end of this year.

    You mean it will be RTE1 in up scaled HD if it does launch. RTE2 HD is mainly up scaled, the odd soccer or rugby match here and there is in HD. No HD for the Punchestown racing this week. I suppose up scaled is better than SD.


  • #45
    donegal.
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    is the first mux completly full or is there space for any m ore services ?


  • #46
    Capt'n Midnight
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    It's full. Some would argue that it's too full already.

    Remember it's only taking as much space as one old analog channel


  • #47
    Sam Russell
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    It's full. Some would argue that it's too full already.

    Remember it's only taking as much space as one old analog channel

    And costing about the same as one. They should fire up the second mux and put the four RTE channels on that (in HD for 1 and 2) and put TG4HD and TV3HD plus the others on the seond mux. To pay for it, allow RTE 3 and News Now to run advertising.


  • #48
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    To pay for it, allow RTE 3 and News Now to run advertising.
    My guess is that it won't generate new advertising revenue just move it from existing channels.

    And advertising on kids channels is not something I like.


  • #49
    Elmo
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    My guess is that it won't generate new advertising revenue just move it from existing channels.

    And advertising on kids channels is not something I like.

    In fairness Sam Russell didn't suggest advertising on Kids TV.

    News Now with free ads however moves advertising elsewhere as audiences move to a no ad TV channel.

    Sky have made gains in advertising revenue in the first 3 months of the year with RTÉ and TV3 both seeing losses. Larges this is due to DSO.


  • #50
    Sam Russell
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    No ads on RTE jr.

    A proper News Channel for RTE NN that would not be simulcast with other news broacasts. For example, The Politics PROGRAMME shown live on RTE NN and shown later on RTE 1 at 11pm. The Morning Edition should be a RTE NN programme. Some programmes could be radio programmes produced for NN by having an automated studio, a bit more sophisticated than the webcam on Morning Ireland. New at One, Today with PK, DriveTime all spring to mind, together with Morning Ireland. A business type programme for noon to 1pm would help. Add a bit of Dail time in there and you may have a good schedule. A bit of repeats of earlier stuff in the evening and they would be there. A little bit of advertising revenue would pay for it if it got an audience.

    RTE 3 would run from 7pm till 1pm and would carry European subtitled programmes and archive stuff from RTE. Again, it would be cheap to run and any advertising would help pay for it. The current +1 is a waste of spectrum. Danish, Swedish, French stuff I have watched on BBC4 was well worth watching.

    RTE have four channels and currently only programme two of them. A bit of VISION lads in Montrose - even if you are short of the readies.


  • #51
    icdg
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    All the vision in the world doesn't help if TV3 is jumping up and down crying "state aid" at every time RTÉ tries to develop its services, and the Department continue to impose unreasonable conditions on RTÉ's new services that effectively restrict them to simulcasts and repeats.


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  • #52
    Sam Russell
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    icdg wrote: »
    All the vision in the world doesn't help if TV3 is jumping up and down crying "state aid" at every time RTÉ tries to develop its services, and the Department continue to impose unreasonable conditions on RTÉ's new services that effectively restrict them to simulcasts and repeats.

    Agreed, but RTE should jump up and down and shout "state aid" at TV3's debt warehousing at 0% by Nama. That is a significant aid to TV3, and would have paid for Saorview.


  • #53
    watty
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    RTE have four channels and currently only programme two of them. A bit of VISION lads in Montrose - even if you are short of the readies.

    They have LOADS of Radio channels and only content for a bit more than 1.


  • #54
    Sam Russell
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    watty wrote: »
    They have LOADS of Radio channels and only content for a bit more than 1.

    That is a bit unfair. RTE 1 is full of content but not to all tastes, as is 2FM. RTE Lyric has its audience and Radio na Gaeltachta also has an audience. So that is four which is a bit more than one.

    They also have another 6 DAB channels that are a little less than one.


  • #55
    watty
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    RnaG is not RTE, or if it is why seeing as TG4 isn't?
    Lyric FM has far too much opera and non-musical rubbish. But as a non-pop music station RTE's best. They claim it's not a classical station but for non-Pop. Many of the programs have a bad mix of Opera/Tenors and regular classical. Too tiny amount of Trad jazz, Folk (not just Irish Folk) and other non-pop stuff they claim it's for.
    RTE 1 is over 50% junk. They can't even get out of bed to do news early enough and appear to go on holiday at weekends and August for any in depth news.
    The adverts inside radio programs on a PSB that spends most of it's income on TV & presenters and managers is totally obnoxious.
    2FM is totally pointless for a PSB.
    There is no point to the other RTE Radio stations, a waste of Licence payer's money.


  • #56
    Sam Russell
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    watty wrote: »
    RnaG is not RTE, or if it is why seeing as TG4 isn't?

    Sorry to disappoint but it is RTE.

    http://www.rte.ie/rnag/

    Check it out.


  • #57
    watty
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    Bizarre. Why have TG4 separate and not have RnaG separate? Well it and Lyric are better run than R1 which is better than 2FM and the other RTE Radio stations an absolute Digital Ego Trip.

    Give TV3 licence, RTE R1 and RnaG to TG4 and close the RTE Radio Digital only stations. Have TG4 as sole PSB with no adverts on Radio and 1/2 as much TV adverts and only between programs. The RTE purely a commercial broadcaster with 10% of Licence fee.

    Three Broadcasters is too much for Ireland, there are too many channels and RTE doesn't meet a PSB remit.


  • #58
    Hotblack Desiato
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    watty wrote: »
    Bizarre. Why have TG4 separate and not have RnaG separate?

    Historical reasons - in the dim dark 70s the idea of having a (legal) non-state-controlled broadcaster in Ireland was anathema.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #59
    Sam Russell
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    I have long thought that RTE should hive off 2FM and RTE 2 into a seperate entity that is self funded, and eventually sold off.

    TV3 is underfunded and trying to justify itself, while ignoring its debt to NAMA. McRedmond had a rant in Thursday's Irish Times looking for more advertising revenue by stopping it going to RTE while ignoring the 80million interest free debt. He claims 40% local content, which might be true but it includes an awful lot of awful TV.:mad:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/media/rt%C3%A9-distorts-advertising-market-and-stifles-choice-1.1379445


  • #60
    irishfeen
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    watty wrote: »
    Three Broadcasters is too much for Ireland.
    To be honest I wouldn't agree with that, you are right that three stations broadcasting rubbish is too much but in reality RTE/TG4 with all their faults are not a bad broadcasters, especially when you compare them with some of the rubbish in the UK, RTE I would say is superior to C5 and on par with Channel 4.

    The problem here is I would say the lack of more Irish broadcasters, TV3 don't have the will, resources or know how to compete with RTE and the rubbish the churn out is just not appealing to Irish viewers [not one TV3 made programme in the top 20 last year].... RTE can just buy the rights for big American programming/sporting events because either TV3/another broadcaster doesn't want them or they just can't afford them. That means RTE spends money on international rights rather then home grown programming and TV3/another broadcaster misses out on advertisement revenue so programming is piss poor... its a vicious cycle really.

    What we need is more broadcasters, not less to invest in Irish programming and international rights and let RTE focus on PSB increasing Irish content. What we lack is competition and its not RTE's fault, Irish viewers are probably the most loyal viewers to their native channels in the world, almost all households have Sky/UPC but still other channels outside Irish ones struggle to get any viewership at all.


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  • #61
    Elmo
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    We are getting off topic but just in relation to a few things.

    TG4 and RnaG should merge, there is no reason why RnaG should be part of RTÉ.

    RTÉ continue to ignore RTÉ Two bar sports, it needs to become a separate entity along with 2fm.

    I don't think RTÉ is up there with Channel 4, it might be on a par with ITV. TG4 certainly produces a fair amount of excellent programming but often it is spread to thinly.

    TV3, RTÉ and TG4 are losing money to other channels, Sky have made gains in the advertising market since DSO and the new rules put on RTÉ, and should RTÉ ONE drop advertising and RTÉ TWO cease to exist most of that revenue will not go to TV3 rather it would head straight to English broadcasters. McRedmond doesn't know what he is talking about.

    In relation to Irish TV in Ireland versus English TV .... IMO Irish viewers are not loyal to any English TV station, Irish viewers view them as extra channels and are used to swapping between them equally. BBC, UTV and Channel 4 have lost viewers to Sky, UKTV etc but not to the Irish channels, and BBC, ITV and Channel 4 have each been able to retain viewers with extra channels e.g. E4, BBC 3 and ITV2 ETC.

    I think Ireland could have more TV services from existing Irish broadcasters and perhaps one more FTA broadcaster. If TV3, RTÉ and TG4 want to eat into UK broadcasters they will need to start to provide more crossover marketing and channels similar in style to those UK channels.

    DTT extra channels should provide alternative schedule to programming already available on main services, e.g. Britain's Got Talent on 3e after TV3.

    There is no reason why Irish broadcasters cannot have similar channels to UK channel e.g. TG4 could have the Film Channel, like Channel 4, RTÉ could provide a similar service to that of both BBC 3 and 4 (not both, while dropping ONE +1), TV3 already has ITV2/3 with 3E.

    TV3, RTÉ and TG4 need main services those main service should remain as RTÉ One, Two, TV3 and TG4. They need content, HD is pointless without content. HD is wasted on in-house and studio based productions.


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