Girl (5) fighting for her life in New Delhi after brutal 48-hour rape ordeal

southsiderosie wrote: »

Unfortunately it seems to be more prevalent in cultures where women are devalued. The key word here is culture: some posters here are trying to make it about race. Many European countries weren't that enlightened when it came to these issues until fairly recently: it wasn't that long ago when an Italian judge ruled that it was impossible to rape a woman wearing blue jeans - and the sad context of that case was, at that time, some driving instructors in rural areas would sexually assault female students.

I know you're probably in bed and in need of some peace and quiet after the turmoil in Boston in the previous week, but what do we do when confronted with an imported culture of misogny? Do we play top trumps and decide that xenophobia is worse than misogny,therefore foreign cultures get a pass?

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I'm not sure about that. Our system is a joke. More holes than a swiss cheese. Few months back there was a gang rape case that shook whole country and there were protests in Delhi but one of the rapist will be escaping with min punishments as he was 17 and is a juvenile. He will be charged by juvenile laws and the news was that he was the one whose act killed her. Absolutely pathetic. And the one who was wanted him to be charged by the law (Juvenile) was a woman. (I'l be honest here, I wanted someone to gang rape here with some 17 years olds and wanted to see her reaction).

Until we hand out biggest charges or capital punishments this won't stop. Scary thing is these are only very few cases that made most headlines. There are 100s that made national channels for a day and was left out the next day.

Absolute shambles our system is and the worst case is police even offered money for the kid's parents to drop the case. Wish they all are hanged in one go.

While I agree that Indian Judiciary system is slow and lethargic, it's far from weak. If it appears weak, its only because it's fair. For example, look at the case of Ajmal Kasab (link), while it took the system many years to give him the punishment he deserved, absolutely no one, not even the most leftist international observers can find fault with the system - the system stood its' ground and proved that it's truly represents the fairness and courage of India rather than turning into a reactionary, slah-burn-revenge setup.

Sure, the main perpetrator of the tragic Delhi bus rape case is under 18, but that's how it is. I am sure the system would work within their clear set up to award him fitting punishment. If the system has it's hands tied due to his age, perhaps it's time to focus on changing the law, but the system works - but yes it's slow, and it's inefficient.

On the other hand you could argue "justice delayed is justice denied" which is true to most cases in India.. I hope this will change somehow, but even with the most optimistic outlook, I just can't imagine how that could happen...!

woodoo wrote: »

That was awful, i just don't know why europe is opening the door to all these immigrants and asylum seekers anyway. What do we owe them? What can they offer us that we can't provide ourselves? Its a mystery to me. Close the borders of europe and only let a small amount of useful educated immigrants in. People we need.. nobody else.

I see this has been answered before, but just to add, I don't think there are any asylum seekers in Ireland (or elsewhere) from India - there isn't any 'asylum seekable' situation in India, unlike it's neighbours (including Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and not to mention Afghanistan). In fact India takes in thousands of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants from Bangladesh on a daily basis, but that's not relevant here. And about the Indians in Ireland, rest assured they are all here after going thru stringent processes by set by various Irish government bodies. I will bet 100 quid that vast majority of Indians you see here are on work visas and are paid well above the national average. The rest of them are the spouses or children of the first group.

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Its not our place to change their country. Change must come from within. And parts of India are relatively safe for tourists already - like Goa for example. The idea of sending a load of bikini clad westerners to some rural Indian village is lolatastic.

Its a cultural thing and imho - the west should not get involved

The country is changing rapidly. The very reason these stories are getting media attention is because the country has changed so much. Also you have to remember that it's a large country - no two areas are at the same level of development. Once you remember by India you are address one sixth of the humanity as we know it, it might help understand how big a change is going on and how while one region of India would be closer to North America in various aspects, another region would be closer to Rwanda. Yet, the nation and one sixth of the humanity it represents are rapidly changing and there are street protests and national level debates in every walk of life imaginable, and it's resulting in true positive change.

Madam_X wrote: »

Someone just gets handed a new car - for free, simply because they're foreign? Come on, you're better than believing that Liveline/Adrian Kennedy/Boylan 4FM fella shyte.

Forget the radio, I saw it on telly the other night - China still has dragons. :cool:

life is cheap in India. A society full of ignorant and uneducated poor... unfortunately some of them have a really warped view of the world. Same guy would probably take care not to harm a cow for fear of God but has no problem harming another human being.

What a horrible story, poor little thing.

What a horribly tragic end for that little angel.

I just don't know how she could have lived a normal life after what that evil bastard scum did to her anyway. My heart goes out to her poor parents; I can't even begin to imagine what they've been going through these last few weeks