Does anyone feel insulted by the abortion proposals?

wolfpawnat wrote: »

From what I have seen, they are not free, but are subsidized. I dare say they try not to deal with many of them as it would cost them more, and refer you instead to a private clinic to save them money, and like here, you could only imagine the waiting times. The baby would be born and graduating college before you'd see a consultant!!!!

This is incorrect. NHS abortions are free.

username123 wrote: »

So it looks like some amount of subsidy/availability on their public health system, dependant on area (and possibly on financial status of patient? - ie, the equivalent of a medical card patient here may avail?).

No, I think the confusion there arose around this:

Funding of NHS abortion services differs in various parts of the country. The level of NHS provision ranges from more than 90% of local demand to less than 60%.
In some areas, the NHS will pay for abortions at private clinics, but in other areas you may need to pay to have an abortion at a private clinic.

It means that some areas cannot keep up with local demand, so some women may choose (or be referred) to go private. And that in some of those cases, the NHS will pay for the private abortions. That would be down to supply and demand and the woman's ability to pay - if you absolutely can't pay, they won't make you go private.

But NHS abortions are always completely free. Even Irish women have managed to avail of free NHS abortions by claiming they live at a relative's UK address, and signing up with a UK GP.

Scarinae wrote: »

I can't believe some of the comments from Peter Mathews, I know he's pro-life and everything but saying "Men went down the mines", "life is tough" and "Sure we’re all going to end up dead anyway" :eek:

*shoves fists into pockets to help avoid punching something or someone*

There are literally no words for that.

Kennedy: “So you think it’s an acceptable risk for woman to be allowed to continue with a pregnancy even if that pregnancy would damage her health. You think that’s acceptable?”
Browne: “For the rest of her life. Seriously imperil her health for the rest of her life.”
Mathews: “But sure we’re all going to end up dead anyway.”

Mathews: “Look, Vincent, men went down the mines and ways, men went into the mines and ways to provide for their family and their health was impaired and they died young. Look, for goodness, life is tough…. Vincent you know that, the ‘The Road Less Travelled’. ‘Life is tough’ that’s the first sentence of it And it was written by a psychiatrist in 1957.”

Unbelievable.

I watched the interview there and was completely shocked. Mathews took it upon himself to decide that the Supreme Court would "probably" have made a different decision in the X case if they were debating it now, so he might as well ignore the ruling.

When asked about what should happen if a woman faced permanent health problems because of an issue during pregnancy, he said situations like that "probably wouldn't arise".

It's like he's completely oblivious. In his mind, all pregnancies go perfectly and those that don't are "sad occasions".

wonderfulname wrote: »

I have no words for this...

I know. I think that the other two showed remarkable restraint, given what they were dealing with.

http://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-legislation-in-ireland-891379-Apr2013/

THE CABINET HAS reached agreement on abortion legislation following a two-part meeting today.

RTÉ News is reporting that the proposed Protection of Maternal Life Bill outlines the need for three doctors to be involved in the decision whether abortion is appropriate in an the case of suicidal ideation.

In the case of a medical emergency, a single doctor would be required to certify a termination, while two doctors would be required in the case of a non-emergency.

This is the budget leaks all over again IMO, three doctors is better than six so we should be incredibly grateful at the outcome...

There's more information to come at 10:30, bill heads and government statement I believe.

Always not also