Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

Lennonist · 27-04-2013 04:09PM

Was watching a full blooded EPL game with lots at stake for both teams between Wigan and Tottenham. Neither side showed composure when it mattered. Celtic, when push comes to shove, would have both of them in their pocket- Gareth Bale and all.

I reckon if Celtic were thrown in at the deep end they'd finish above teams like Spurs, I'd say we'd finish 4th straight off and would be EPL championship contenders thereafter.

Frantic stuff delivered by the EPL at the best of times. Celtic would nail the huge majority of them. Maybe the EPL is going through a trough, it appears to me the standard there is fairly low by comparison to the rep it has.

BhoscaCapall · 27-04-2013 04:46PM

Lennonist wrote: »

Maybe the EPL is going through a trough, it appears to me the standard there is fairly low by comparison to the rep it has.

When has this ever not been the case? If not for billionaire sugar daddies it would have been won by the same club for the past decade.

We wouldn't finish 4th in our first season there, that's madness. We're simply not used to playing teams of a high calibre every week for that to happen. We would finish mid table and that's with our current squad. Hand us the obnoxious amount of money they get and we're a bigger draw than 95% of the teams there. It's a debate done to death though and not something that will materialise.

7 players out tomorrow with the boys on holiday and Matthews, Brown and of course Lassad injured. Could be time to use a few youngsters.

lubo_moravcik · 28-04-2013 09:59AM

oh i love Fir Park, here we go again

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 11:48AM

Forster;
Lustig, Rogne, Mulgrew, Izaguirre;
Rogic, Kayal, Wanyama;
Watt, Samaras, Hooper;

Subs: Zaluska, Gershon, Stokes, McCourt, Keatings, Atajic, McGeouch.

Think we should have mixed the team up more than that tbh, Motherwell are horrible c***s who always boot us about the place. Young Atajic to score a hattrick

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 12:25PM

How good does young Rogic look? A bit more confidence to take people on and we'll have some player on our hands.

Linesman has been dire today, two nonsense offsides given and a corner missed.

"A suggestion of offside" :rolleyes:

PauloMN · 28-04-2013 01:39PM

Lol at that "penalty".

F*ck it. CHAMPION-EEESSS!!!

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 01:43PM

I don't think I've seen us get so little luck in a match. Extremely soft penalty, offside (own) goal, hit the post.

Nonetheless we were rubbish and Motherwell were better.

RoryMac · 28-04-2013 02:23PM

Poor performance again but if these last few games give us a chance to blood players like Rogic and also see that players like McCourt & Rogne have no future at the club I won't worry too much.

My only concern is the in the idea we can cruise along for a few weeks then pick it up again for the cup final.

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 02:35PM

McCourt was the best player on the pitch when he came on. Consistently beat his man and got into dangerous positions.

Dempsey · 28-04-2013 03:22PM

Missed the match but I might try and catch a repeat on Sky if any has a link to the full match that I can watch in my own time I'd appreciate it. A few players I want to see how they are playing.

RoryMac · 28-04-2013 03:23PM

Perhaps but he'll never produce enough decent performances to justify a place in the team. He's had his chance, same goes for Rogne

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 03:24PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Missed the match but I might try and catch a repeat on Sky if any has a link to the full match that I can watch in my own time I'd appreciate it. A few players I want to see how they are playing.

I wouldn't bother. Watt had a good game, Kayal was better than most (not saying much), Rogic was quiet but looked decent and McCourt wasn't bad when he came on. Forster made a couple of good saves but conceded at hsi near post for the equaliser. Mulgrew had probably his worst game since his left-back days.

Dempsey · 28-04-2013 03:40PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

I wouldn't bother. Watt had a good game, Kayal was better than most (not saying much), Rogic was quiet but looked decent and McCourt wasn't bad when he came on. Forster made a couple of good saves but conceded at hsi near post for the equaliser. Mulgrew had probably his worst game since his left-back days.

For 5-6 players that feel they have been slighted in awards and the rest looking to win contracts and push for starting players, it seems like they are all on holiday, mentality wise.

Kayal & Watt usually give a good account of themselves and from what I've seen of Rogic in other games, i think he'll be a good player next season after he settles abit more and a good preseason under his belt.

Forster was talking of going to Brazil with England in the papers, he will be watching it at home if his current form continues. Surprised that Mulgrew wasnt sent on holidays, he was needing a rest.

Egg on the face of Lennon & Mulgrew given the mouthing off they did in the press during the week.

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 03:52PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Forster was talking of going to Brazil with England in the papers, he will be watching it at home if his current form continues. Surprised that Mulgrew wasnt sent on holidays, he was needing a rest.

Joke Hart has been fairly shocking so he should be safe :P

Egg on the face of Lennon & Mulgrew given the mouthing off they did in the press during the week.

All their achievements thus far have been snubbed, I doubt their performance in a meaningless game would have changed anything.

Didn't see super Michael Higdon do much either except foul our crap defence all day!

Agree with sending Mulgrew on holiday, he's played pretty much every game this season it seems. Then again we are very stretched at CB as it is. He'll probably get rested for a couple of games when Wilson and Matthews are back.

Not sure what the story with Gershon is. Guy scores one his debut and I think has got one sub appearance since? Destined to be another player wasted maybe.

Dempsey · 28-04-2013 03:59PM

No, it wont change anything but it doesnt look good if you can't play for pride.

RE Gershon, looks likely that the decision about whats happens after his loan spell has been made. Why play a player that wont be here next year or maybe he has a niggle but I heard nothing of an injury

Dempsey · 28-04-2013 05:10PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22332212

"Some players were aware there was cup final places up for grabs but I'm not too sure they took their opportunity today," he told BBC Radio Scotland.

"A few of them looked like they'd switched off in the second half, which is unacceptable from my point of view."

"It's just not like us," Lennon said.

"I don't know where it came from because I thought we totally dominated the first half.

"For some reason we just didn't come out of the traps second-half. I thought going forward we were really good but defensively we were really poor.

"But it's not about today or even next week, it's about the cup final and the close season and getting the right rest now. I wanted the team to be competitive."

"Four [players] were away this week and five will be away from tomorrow," said Lennon, who dismissed reports that Celtic are interested in signing Motherwell's James McFadden as "speculation".

"It's just the way it is. We start back in the third week of June and start playing second week of July, so it's a very heavy schedule for players and we need to try and get the preparations right.

"We will have everyone back for two weeks of preparation for the cup final. You bite the bullet for a couple of games.

"We were in total control and could have been two up, then a really poor decision has cost us a goal," added Lennon.

"It's debatable whether it was a penalty or not; Charlie [Mulgrew] hasn't seen him coming. That's another harsh decision, I think, that's gone against us. It's changed the course of the game.

"The third goal is totally bizarre from Mikael [Lustig]."

Not for the 1st time, Lennon doesnt know(or unwilling to say to the media) what has caused the poor performance. Time to have a good talk with Jim McGuinness and maybe time to take stock of how players are being prepared for games. Always an aspect of Lennons management that blows hot and cold.

Glad we arent interested in McFadden, seems to be linked with us at every opportunity but never understood why we'd want him tbh

EDIT

Lennon hits back at Shiels over his comments the other day

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/28/motherwell-celtic-match-report?CMP=twt_gu

"Kenny has always had plenty to say about our club," he said. "He likes to ramble on in little monologues, he is a bit like David Brent sometimes. He is an unconscious comedian.

"Nothing surprises me from Kenny. He has had a couple of barbed comments about my team and the club over the last couple of years so he must have a personal agenda. I don't know, you would need to ask him about that. I do take exception to the paranoia [comment]. That's been thrown at our club for the last 15 to20 years but I think the last three or four years have proved that we weren't paranoid, we were just right.

"I still think that one or two of our players should be in the running for player of the year. I said the other day that all the candidates have had fine seasons. I am not taking anything away from them. It has been made out as though I have taken the gloss away from them. That's not what I am trying to do at all."

Looking forward to Shiels response!

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 06:15PM

The paranoia excuse really is even more embarrassing than usual this time around, considering there are English pundits with no vested interest in the Scottish game describing the snub as "laughable".

The Rangers have two players shortlisted for SFL3 player of the year despite them having an even 'worse' season than we did in a comparable situation. Now I'm not having a pop at them or baiting their fans as those two players may very well deserve their nominations - I'm just highlighting the contrasting logic.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-04-2013 06:25PM

I really don't get the anger over this Celtic had seven players who received votes. Unfortunately this meant that the Players and that is the important thing here the Players obviously when voting split their vote between the seven meaning others got more votes due to this. And as much as it may rile that is what happens its called democracy in action.
And as for people shouting about Celtic CL run as great as it was it has nothing to do with Player of the year nor do the cups the only thing that should be taken into consideration is the SPL.
Before anyone starts I was surprised to see no Tic players in there but them's the breaks

Dempsey · 28-04-2013 06:26PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

The paranoia excuse really is even more embarrassing than usual this time around, considering there are English pundits with no vested interest in the Scottish game describing the snub as "laughable".

The Rangers have two players shortlisted for SFL3 player of the year despite them having an even 'worse' season than we did in a comparable situation. Now I'm not having a pop at them or baiting their fans as those two players may very well deserve their nominations - I'm just highlighting the contrasting logic.

Who are these people with no vested interest though? English pundits usually are criticizing Scottish Football one way or the other. I fear this is another way to have a pop at the scottish game tbh

I dont think there is an qualms about Wallace & Templeton being nominated for the SFL awards. Individually, they played consistently well without being pushed too much imo. Its collectively is where they had problems

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 06:46PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Who are these people with no vested interest though? English pundits usually are criticizing Scottish Football one way or the other. I fear this is another way to have a pop at the scottish game tbh

eh what? I just mean they're not Celtic fans or anything, they don't particularly care who wins the awards and they think it's laughable we had no nominations. Not sure how that's having a pop at the game.

I dont think there is an qualms about Wallace & Templeton being nominated for the SFL awards. Individually, they played consistently well without being pushed too much imo. Its collectively is where they had problems

Yes that's my point. If they deserve theirs based on those criteria then so do the likes of Commons, Hooper and Wanyama.

Dempsey · 28-04-2013 06:49PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

eh what? I just mean they're not Celtic fans or anything, they don't particularly care who wins the awards and they think it's laughable we had no nominations. Not sure how that's having a pop at the game.

Yes that's my point. If they deserve theirs based on those criteria then so do the likes of Commons, Hooper and Wanyama.

I thought you were on about English League pundits that suddenly have an opinion about Scottish Football is all. These people get on my goat because its never anything positive, all Craig Burley types. :pac:

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 07:10PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I thought you were on about English League pundits that suddenly have an opinion about Scottish Football is all. These people get on my goat because its never anything positive, all Craig Burley types. :pac:

Ah no, Football Focus done a little piece about the cup final with a wee review of our season and they spoke about it in the studio after, Fowler and Lawrenson saying it was laughable and a total joke and whatnot.

PauloMN · 28-04-2013 07:59PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I really don't get the anger over this Celtic had seven players who received votes. Unfortunately this meant that the Players and that is the important thing here the Players obviously when voting split their vote between the seven meaning others got more votes due to this. And as much as it may rile that is what happens its called democracy in action.
And as for people shouting about Celtic CL run as great as it was it has nothing to do with Player of the year nor do the cups the only thing that should be taken into consideration is the SPL.
Before anyone starts I was surprised to see no Tic players in there but them's the breaks

Actually agree completely with this. Much ado about nothing. I still don't like the fact that Lenny has made a big deal out of this. I never care much about POTY even when a Celtic player wins it, I'm not about to start caring now. Will all be forgotten about shortly, like today's result.

We won the league and are in the cup final. Everything else is mere dressing.

Dempsey · 28-04-2013 08:15PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I really don't get the anger over this Celtic had seven players who received votes. Unfortunately this meant that the Players and that is the important thing here the Players obviously when voting split their vote between the seven meaning others got more votes due to this. And as much as it may rile that is what happens its called democracy in action.
And as for people shouting about Celtic CL run as great as it was it has nothing to do with Player of the year nor do the cups the only thing that should be taken into consideration is the SPL.
Before anyone starts I was surprised to see no Tic players in there but them's the breaks

Yea the Celtic vote was spilt because a good few players had good seasons for different reasons, personally I'm surprised that Commons didnt get nominated because of his transformation from a very poor last season. He really turned the corner for me.

The remit of the vote isnt clear at all tbh, certainly we've all seen players nominated before where their best performances are in cup and European matches. You even hear some managers over the years comment about european performances factoring into a nomination aswell.

BhoscaCapall · 28-04-2013 08:48PM

Personally I couldn't care less about the awards, my criticism is aimed at anybody who thinks the Celtic players haven't been snubbed. Tossers like Kenny Shiels and his paranoia jibe. Nobody said it was an agenda against Celtic, just that it was a joke none of their players were in it.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 28-04-2013 09:05PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Yea the Celtic vote was spilt because a good few players had good seasons for different reasons, personally I'm surprised that Commons didnt get nominated because of his transformation from a very poor last season. He really turned the corner for me.

The remit of the vote isnt clear at all tbh, certainly we've all seen players nominated before where their best performances are in cup and European matches. You even hear some managers over the years comment about european performances factoring into a nomination aswell.

Well you shouldn't as its not supposed to count all that matters are the league game
I was pretty surprised no tic players made the final few. But as Paul says its mo big deal never thought it was important won't start now

Lonesome Boatman · 29-04-2013 03:31PM

One of our pre season games announced already, Union Berlin on the twalth of july

Hope we get a good trip to England as well.

Lonesome Boatman · 29-04-2013 03:43PM

Cup final tickets are now on sale to season ticket holders

BhoscaCapall · 29-04-2013 05:08PM

Liverpool in Dublin on the 14th August too isn't it? The Wakes are playing that weekend, should be serious craic.

Lonesome Boatman · 29-04-2013 06:10PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Liverpool in Dublin on the 14th August too isn't it? The Wakes are playing that weekend, should be serious craic.

Has that been confirmed? where is it being played?

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