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Caught with small quantity of drugs

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  • #32
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Zambia wrote: »
    Politicians are meant to represent the voters so there is always a way to change them.

    Maybe in Australia.
    True Alcohol does cause more misery but there is even less political will to ban that, plus the genie is well out of the bottle.

    I see what you did there.

    If people are smoking it already - wouldn't it be better to measure and inform on THC levels?


  • #33
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    MadsL wrote: »
    I see what you did there.

    If people are smoking it already - wouldn't it be better to measure and inform on THC levels?

    So the conception of Alcohol was bad so we should introduce alcohol 2.0 as a consequence.

    Na people just should not smoke it. Even the tobacco in the joint is bad for you.


  • #34
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Zambia wrote: »
    So the conception of Alcohol was bad so we should introduce alcohol 2.0 as a consequence.

    Na people just should not smoke it. Even the tobacco in the joint is bad for you.

    Where do I start with that?

    Is there some law about smoking it with tobacco? 99% of Americans dont.

    And how the hell is weed Alcohol 2.0??? The social impacts are just about registering as ants compared to the T Rex that is alchohol.


  • #35
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    MadsL wrote: »
    It's the politics blocking the popular vote as far as I can see.

    What are you basing this on? A survey or just based on the people you know?


  • #36
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Zambia wrote: »
    So the conception of Alcohol was bad so we should introduce alcohol 2.0 as a consequence.

    Na people just should not smoke it. Even the tobacco in the joint is bad for you.


    Tobacco's not too nice in a vaporizer.


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  • #37
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SB2013 wrote: »
    What are you basing this on? A survey or just based on the people you know?

    What are you basing your assertion that cannabis is harmful on?

    I guess, like, that's just your opinion, man.


  • #38
    234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭234


    MadsL wrote: »
    What are you basing your assertion that cannabis is harmful on?

    I guess, like, that's just your opinion, man.

    Read Nutt et al (2007) 369 The Lancet 1047.


  • #39
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    MadsL wrote: »
    What are you basing your assertion that cannabis is harmful on?

    I guess, like, that's just your opinion, man.

    Did i say it was harmful?


  • #40
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I think this about covers where you said it was harmful.

    Zambia wrote: »
    I think the drug is counter productive to good mental health in the long term.


  • #41
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    MadsL wrote: »
    I think this about covers where you said it was harmful.

    That's a different poster. You can tell by the different names.


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  • #42
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SB2013 wrote: »
    That's a different poster. You can tell by the different names.

    Sorry, too much weed :o


  • #43
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    234 wrote: »
    Read Nutt et al (2007) 369 The Lancet 1047.

    Not being a doctor I don't have a sub to the Lancet. Got a summary?


  • #44
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    MadsL wrote: »
    Sorry, too much weed :o
    I should add its not great in the short term to.

    All I am saying is I would not Vote to legalise it. However I would not kick up a stink if it was legalised.


  • #45
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Zambia wrote: »
    I should add its not great in the short term to.

    All I am saying is I would not Vote to legalise it. However I would not kick up a stink if it was legalised.

    Would you not see it as being beneficial as an alternative to alchohol, much as nicotine vaping is a much less harmful source of nicotine?


  • #46
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    MadsL wrote: »
    Not being a doctor I don't have a sub to the Lancet. Got a summary?

    6a00d8341c070353ef0133f581c23d970b-800wi


    The findings develop on an earlier study by Professor Nutt which called for the classification system of drugs to be reviewed in line with harm. Nutt is continuing to call for a change in Government policy; "The Misuse of Drugs Act is past its sell-by date and needs to be redone."

    The new Lancet study claims to have taken a more advanced approach to assessing harms, using a wider range of 16 criteria. These include an assessment on each drug's affects on users' physical and mental health, social harms including crime, family problems, environmental damage and economic costs.


  • #47
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    How does he define 'harm'? As a person living in Mr White's town, the harm to others rate for Meth seems absurdly low, a fair chunk of our crime rate is Meth related.


  • #48
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    MadsL wrote: »
    Would you not see it as being beneficial as an alternative to alchohol, much as nicotine vaping is a much less harmful source of nicotine?
    Sorry no , its not an alternative to Alcohol option.

    You cant replace stuff with other addictions.

    A bit like Heroin addicts stating they have been clean for 2 years (on Methadone).

    Your still hooked on a drug.

    Seriously exercise is a better alternative to Alcohol or Bananas (eaten not smoked)


  • #49
    hullaballoo
    Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 18,829 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    MadsL wrote: »
    How does he define 'harm'? As a person living in Mr White's town, the harm to others rate for Meth seems absurdly low, a fair chunk of our crime rate is Meth related.
    I agree, you'd need to see what metrics and quantifiers they've used for that. Harm to others score for a lot of junkie faves seems very low.


  • #50
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    MadsL wrote: »
    How does he define 'harm'? As a person living in Mr White's town, the harm to others rate for Meth seems absurdly low, a fair chunk of our crime rate is Meth related.
    I would assume its harm to the human body itself


  • #51
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Zambia wrote: »
    Sorry no , its not an alternative to Alcohol option.

    You cant replace stuff with other addictions.

    A bit like Heroin addicts stating they have been clean for 2 years (on Methadone).

    Your still hooked on a drug.

    Seriously exercise is a better alternative to Alcohol or Bananas (eaten not smoked)

    Addictions? Wut? Most recreational drinkers/weed smokers are not addicted.
    When was the last time you heard of someone getting in a fight because they were stoned?


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  • #52
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Zambia wrote: »
    I would assume its harm to the human body itself

    The table has harm to others and harm to self.

    Meth wrecks the human body.

    It just seems that Meth's harm to others should be similar to crack.


  • #53
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    MadsL wrote: »
    How does he define 'harm'? As a person living in Mr White's town, the harm to others rate for Meth seems absurdly low, a fair chunk of our crime rate is Meth related.


    Non-paywalled version of the report for your interest.......... http://www.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar/%7Emmiller/espanol/Variedades,%20politica/drogas_Journal.pdf


  • #54
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Wonder if that table refers to Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) rather than Crystal Methamphetamine??

    Still confused.


  • #55
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Zambia wrote: »
    Sorry no , its not an alternative to Alcohol option.

    You cant replace stuff with other addictions.

    Well.......
    A former government adviser on drugs has told MPs that alcohol consumption would fall by as much as 25% if Dutch-style cannabis "coffee shops" were introduced in Britain.

    Nutt told MPs the cost of policing cannabis use was only £500m a year, mainly for issuing possession warning notices, compared with the £6bn a year bill for policing the use of alcohol, including dealing with people who were drunk and disorderly.

    Nutt has argued that the harmful impact of removing criminal sanctions on cannabis use would be relatively modest unless it was as actively marketed as alcohol, since almost half of young people already used the drug. He said he had argued in a Lancet paper that alcohol was the most harmful drug in Britain largely because of its frightening contribution to domestic violence, child abuse and road traffic accidents.

    "A regulated market for illicit drugs would be the best way and we could reduce alcohol consumption by as much as 25% if we had the Dutch model of cannabis cafes," said Nutt, adding that he believed the police would rather deal with people who were stoned than drunk.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jun/19/david-nutt-alcohol-cannabis-cafes



    Zambia wrote: »

    Seriously exercise is a better alternative to Alcohol or Bananas (eaten not smoked)

    Exercise doesn't go down too well at a stag night or a wedding......
    .
    .


  • #56
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    MadsL wrote: »
    How does he define 'harm'? As a person living in Mr White's town, the harm to others rate for Meth seems absurdly low, a fair chunk of our crime rate is Meth related.

    Sorry where is Mr White's town?


  • #57
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Zambia wrote: »
    Sorry no , its not an alternative to Alcohol option.

    You cant replace stuff with other addictions.

    A bit like Heroin addicts stating they have been clean for 2 years (on Methadone).

    Your still hooked on a drug.

    The addiction in and of itself in not a major thing really is it. The dependency will cause no problems once the person has access to the drug they are dependent on in this case methadone.

    It can be a vaulable intervention in some cases.

    Even the dependence on herion is not really harmful if the subject has access to it and it is pure and clean. Peoblems arise because of its legal status and the sh!te mixed in it


  • #58
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Sorry where is Mr White's town?

    Google Walter White.


  • #59
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Sorry where is Mr White's town?

    Albuquerque, New Mexico I'm guessing. Tis a reference to Breaking Bad


  • #60
    234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭234


    MadsL wrote: »
    How does he define 'harm'? As a person living in Mr White's town, the harm to others rate for Meth seems absurdly low, a fair chunk of our crime rate is Meth related.

    It was based on a survey of the opinions of doctors who dealt with those affected by drugs. It gave certain categories of harm and sub-categories. So there was harm to the user but also harm to those around them. So the harmfulness of a drug included the potential for damaging families (one of the reasons that alcohol was given such a high ranking).


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  • #61
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,297 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Not sure how scientific this is but dress down in court for this, had 2 friends appear in that court for ep same as op. One looked like a poor student the other guy tried to be respectable and put on a suit, the guy in the suit got a €900 fine and the other guy was fined €150. Neither of them got a record just had to make a donation to some drugs rehab place near nass.
    Point is don't look wealthy in court.


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