Is Drink Spiking an Urban Myth or big catch all excuse?

13spanner · 25-04-2013 01:19PM

Zillah wrote: »

Maybe you should just not repeat the half-baked memories of stories you never understood?

Fact.

Snazzy_Chazzy · 25-04-2013 01:21PM

Every Weekend my mate gets spiked in McGowans Phibsboro .........even thou no-one touches her drinks.......

Then she ends up with some random guy.... i mean the guy that spiked her drink :cool:

Yellowblackbird · 25-04-2013 01:54PM

I think the basic premis lacks credibility.

Put yourself in the mind of the mythical date-raper.

It's a fairly elaborate, laborious and risky endeavour to get yourself effectively a corpse to fck. If someone was that desperate for a ride they would use a brasser. Rape we are told is about power and control so the rapist won't sate his sick needs with in an inaminate piece of meat.

Frank Black · 25-04-2013 02:01PM

13spanner wrote: »

Or maybe I got it wrong? Would it be more consistent with acid tablets?

No, more consistent with antacid tablets, like Rennies.

There's been a lot of people who've had drinks spiked with these. Happened to a mate of my brother's once - he woke up with no heartburn at all.

Pumpkinseeds · 25-04-2013 04:34PM

danslevent wrote: »

I don't get why people would spike with stuff like LSD, obviously you like it yourself if you're buying it, why waste it on someone who isn't interested? Have a laugh with your friends in a forest somewhere instead

But maybe some people just get a sick humour out of seeing people freaking out.

In my case a lot of people I knew were taking it. I'm not into drugs, taking prescription drugs since I was a kid probably put me off. I'd never tried LSD so it freaked me out. A friend took me home and slept on the sofa that night. I remember lying in bed having what I thought was a nightmare. I could see all these domed buildings like what you would see in muslim countries. I remember thinking that I should wake up and then I realised that I was awake and was sitting up in bed. Each to their own but it isn't my idea of a good time.

joehig · 25-04-2013 04:38PM

I think some of it does be the boot leg drink , you dont know whats in it and some people just have a bad reaction to it

Seachmall · 25-04-2013 04:41PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

In my case a lot of people I knew were taking it. I'm not into drugs, taking prescription drugs since I was a kid probably put me off. I'd never tried LSD so it freaked me out. A friend took me home and slept on the sofa that night. I remember lying in bed having what I thought was a nightmare. I could see all these domed buildings like what you would see in muslim countries. I remember thinking that I should wake up and then I realised that I was awake and was sitting up in bed. Each to their own but it isn't my idea of a good time.

Bad trips can be pretty horrific, I can't imagine being in that situation unwillingly. Props to your friend though, when things aren't going well on acid it's good to know you've a friend nearby.

smash · 25-04-2013 04:49PM

joehig wrote: »

I think some of it does be the boot leg drink , you dont know whats in it and some people just have a bad reaction to it

Bootleg drink? I didn't know we were talking about late 19th century Tennessee here...

Seachmall wrote: »

when things aren't going well on acid it's good to know you've a friend nearby.

And if you don't, I'm sure the talking walls will take care of you

MadsL · 25-04-2013 04:52PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Funny how these stories are always happening to the third person...

Yet the response to first person reports is skepticism.

Madam_X wrote: »

Especially enough vodka to cause that degree of poisoning.

There was also domaci slivovice available which is 80% alcohol by volume. I don't know for certain it was vodka, but close to two pints of vodka or other spirit in less than an hour and a half? Off you go try it...or you could just keep calling me a liar.

25-04-2013 05:05PM

Yellowblackbird wrote: »

I think the basic premis lacks credibility.

Put yourself in the mind of the mythical date-raper.

It's a fairly elaborate, laborious and risky endeavour to get yourself effectively a corpse to fck. If someone was that desperate for a ride they would use a brasser. Rape we are told is about power and control so the rapist won't sate his sick needs with in an inaminate piece of meat.

Apparently not in the case of this inanimate piece of meat or this one

25-04-2013 05:15PM

MadsL wrote: »

There was also domaci slivovice available which is 80% alcohol by volume. I don't know for certain it was vodka, but close to two pints of vodka or other spirit in less than an hour and a half? Off you go try it...or you could just keep calling me a liar.

The domaci would probably taste roughly twice as strong. :pac:
But just out of interest you said you had 4 pints and you're saying nearly 2 of it was vodka so the pints were half beer/half vodka and you're annoyed that people think you probably would have noticed if it was half vodka?

MadYaker · 25-04-2013 05:20PM

I never believed this happened. I dunno about you lot but when I buy drugs they're for me, why would I just give them to some randomer?

Electric Sheep · 25-04-2013 05:30PM

Clarehobo wrote: »

Apparently not in the case of this inanimate piece of meat or this one

Actually, the drug tests on both Nicola and her friend came up negative for anything but alcohol for the friend, and acohol and legally prescribed Xanax for Nicola. This came out at the trial. So, in fact, you are illustrating the fact that it is usually just plain over indugence in alcohol that is the problem. According to the court, neither of these girls was drugged with anything.

Seachmall · 25-04-2013 05:48PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

Actually, the drug tests on both Nicola and her friend came up negative for anything but alcohol for the friend, and acohol and legally prescribed Xanax for Nicola. This came out at the trial. So, in fact, you are illustrating the fact that it is usually just plain over indugence in alcohol that is the problem. According to the court, neither of these girls was drugged with anything.

I believe it was this point

the rapist won't sate his sick needs with in an inaminate piece of meat.

That was being addressed. It's obviously wrong, people do drug and rape people. Andrew Luster, serial rapist and heir to Max Factor , probably being the most famous case.

Grolschevik · 25-04-2013 06:09PM

Frank Black wrote: »

Well, I have a friend whose brother works in the Central Statistics Office, and he was saying that it's totally acceptable to use anecdotal evidence as fact.

You forgot to say "FACT!!" after that. That makes it official...

MadsL · 25-04-2013 06:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The domaci would probably taste roughly twice as strong. :pac:
But just out of interest you said you had 4 pints and you're saying nearly 2 of it was vodka so the pints were half beer/half vodka and you're annoyed that people think you probably would have noticed if it was half vodka?

I think there's a bit of victim-blaming going on alright, the 'ah, sure how would you not know". Funny how when reality doesn't match up to people's expectations it is the victim of the spiking who is at fault?

25-04-2013 06:18PM

MadsL wrote: »

I think there's a bit of victim-blaming going on alright, the 'ah, sure how would you not know". Funny how when reality doesn't match up to people's expectations it is the victim of the spiking who is at fault?

That's an excellent point. Oh wait, no it isn't.

MadsL · 25-04-2013 06:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's an excellent point. Oh wait, no it isn't.

What an excellent rebuttal! Oh, wait.

Is there a point somewhere?

MadsL · 25-04-2013 06:21PM

So to spell it out. The fact I didn't taste what I was spiked with, means it was my fault. Is that the line people are taking?

25-04-2013 06:24PM

MadsL wrote: »

So to spell it out. The fact I didn't taste what I was spiked with, means it was my fault. Is that the line people are taking?

As much as you'd like it to be, no it's not.

MadsL · 25-04-2013 06:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As much as you'd like it to be, no it's not.

Would you like to make your point then, instead of incoherent digs? If you are so inarticulate that you cannot, then don't be suprised if I make it for you.

25-04-2013 06:32PM

MadsL wrote: »

Would you like to make your point then, instead of incoherent digs? If you are so inarticulate that you cannot, then don't be suprised if I make it for you.

I, and others seemingly, find it hard to believe that there was enough vodka spread through 4 points to get you in such a state but that you wouldn't notice it. You've since specified that there was enough vodka, apparently it was half vodka. I don't believe for a second that you drank 4 pints of what you thought were beer but were actually half vodka and didn't notice that they tasted a bit different than they usually did.

But hey, maybe my being inarticulate is made up for by my apparently excellent tastebuds.

Koptain Liverpool · 25-04-2013 06:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I, and others seemingly, find it hard to believe that there was enough vodka spread through 4 points to get you in such a state but that you wouldn't notice it. You've since specified that there was enough vodka, apparently it was half vodka. I don't believe for a second that you drank 4 pints of what you thought were beer but were actually vodka and didn't notice that they tasted a bit different than they usually did.

But hey, maybe my being inarticulate is made up for by my apparently excellent tastebuds.

I agree - I've had beer with a shot of whiskey and other spirits (willingly :P).
And even that one shot overwhelms the taste of the beer. So if there were 2 or more shots in it then it would taste terribly strong. I've never mixed beer and vodka though, maybe vodka doesn't have as strong a taste as whiskey etc

MadsL · 25-04-2013 06:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I, and others seemingly, find it hard to believe that there was enough vodka spread through 4 points to get you in such a state but that you wouldn't notice it. You've since specified that there was enough vodka, apparently it was half vodka. I don't believe for a second that you drank 4 pints of what you thought were beer but were actually vodka and didn't notice that they tasted a bit different than they usually did.

But hey, maybe my being inarticulate is made up for by my apparently excellent tastebuds.

Here are the facts.
I have no idea what was in the pints. I was told later it was vodka.
I drank four pints. I necked the first one having just finished a shift.
I woke up in a a hospital.

That apparently is the consequence of my poor tastebuds according to you and I am somehow at fault for it.

I wonder have you ever speculated on if a rape was down to poor dress sense?

25-04-2013 06:38PM

Odysseus wrote: »

The cases that end up being treated by the sexual assualt clinics show that the a persons drink is generally spiked with alcohol. That last report/statement they issued that I know about was approx 18 months ago and they had no actual positive results at that stage.

So it appears to be a myth in Ireland in anyway.

Isn't it also the case that rohypnol is metabolised by the body very quickly and that drug tests are usually carried out too late to find traces?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

25-04-2013 06:43PM

MadsL wrote: »

Here are the facts.
I have no idea what was in the pints. I was told later it was vodka.
I drank four pints. I necked the first one having just finished a shift.
I woke up in a a hospital.

You said above that it was close to 2 pints of vodka, I don't think that that happened.

That apparently is the consequence of my poor tastebuds according to you and I am somehow at fault for it.

Apparently not noticing the taste was down to your poor taste buds.

I wonder have you ever speculated on if a rape was down to poor dress sense?

I love how online if you question someone's story you're accused of being a rape denier/apologist within a few minutes. Excellent debating skillz.

Three Seasons · 25-04-2013 06:44PM

MadsL wrote: »

Here are the facts.
I have no idea what was in the pints. I was told later it was vodka.
I drank four pints. I necked the first one having just finished a shift.
I woke up in a a hospital.

That apparently is the consequence of my poor tastebuds according to you and I am somehow at fault for it.

I wonder have you ever speculated on if a rape was down to poor dress sense?

Who said you were at fault for it?

Odysseus · 25-04-2013 06:44PM

Candie wrote: »

Isn't it also the case that rohypnol is metabolised by the body very quickly and that drug tests are usually carried out too late to find traces?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

No, Rohypnol is a benzo and is not metabolised that quick. Depending on the type of benzo and the subject it takes from a few days to over a week.

The days of Rohypnol being used in such a way are long gone, it just cannot be used that way anymore. The best drugs to put some out would be benzo or bards but they are next to impossible to get, whereas benzos are much more common.

MadsL · 25-04-2013 06:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You said above that it was close to 2 pints of vodka, I don't think that that happened.

I speculated. Years later I still have no real understanding of how enough alchohol got in my system to cause acute alcohol poisioning.

Apparently not noticing the taste was down to your poor taste buds.

Again, I'd suggest you try a double blind taste test before assuming.

I love how online if you question someone's story you're accused of being a rape denier/apologist within a few minutes. Excellent debating skillz.

Who's fault was the spiking? You appear to be an apologist for the spiker by claiming I should have tasted it.

MadsL · 25-04-2013 06:48PM

Three Seasons wrote: »

Who said you were at fault for it?

There have been repeated comments about how;

1. It could not have happened
2. I should have tasted it

Is Drink Spiking an Urban Myth or big catch all excuse?

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