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Buying a Mazda RX8 in a few hours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Has anybody driven one of these badboys before, or better still owned one?

    Whats it like to live with as a daily runner.

    I used to borrow one fairly regularly. Super looking car and great fun to drive, especially on a wet day.

    I only ever had it for a few days at the most so can't say much about running costs etc.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ARGINITE wrote: »
    There is no need to wait for five minute to warm the engine up, turn the car on wait a minute and then drive keeping the revs below 4K until the engine is up to temp.

    ...as should be done with every car!!!

    wandatowell - with regards to driving it as an every day car, it's fine once you have the upgraded ignition components and good compression. I owned one for 2.5 years and loved it. I still miss it if I'm honest.

    I have a post which covers everything about buying an RX8 that I have to copy and paste into every RX8 thread but I can't search for it right now, you'll find it easily enough if you search for RX8 related threads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭wandatowell



    wandatowell - with regards to driving it as an every day car, it's fine once you have the upgraded ignition components and good compression. I owned one for 2.5 years and loved it. I still miss it if I'm honest.

    I have a post which covers everything about buying an RX8 that I have to copy and paste into every RX8 thread but I can't search for it right now, you'll find it easily enough if you search for RX8 related threads.

    Nice one Im going to take a look for that.


    Thinking about going down the performance route myself. The max I will be doing with be 300km/week w/ 80% of that at dual carraigeway/motorway speed. With the very very rare trip to Clare or Dublin from Cork.

    RX8 or Astra OPC my forerunners at the moment.

    But enough of that talk,


    OP any sign of the car????


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    RX8 or Astra OPC my forerunners at the moment.

    The Astra is a good car and looks great but RWD over FWD all day every day if you want a proper sports car :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    The Astra is a good car and looks great but RWD over FWD all day every day if you want a proper sports car :cool:
    And by many accounts the previous Astra OPC was THE prime example as to why FWD doesn't work at that power, all the competition seem to have done a better job in making it work a lot better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Out of curiosity, I did a 5 min google on the RX8 and the general consensus on buying a second hand one is do NOT buy it until you get a compression test done. There are a few rotary clubs around that may have a kit to test, but it will cost.....

    A symptom of a reduced compression is the engine is hard to start when hot, so by all means go for a decent test drive and then check to see if its hard to start when hot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Jam00


    Listen to MetzgerMeister as he is clearly talking sense - ignore the rest of the comments as it's just people offering opinions based on hearsay not facts (whether the posters know it or not)

    For what it's worth Mazda Japan say rotary engines should be run on 10W 40 mineral oil, which will no doubt cause an argument on here :)

    Consult www.irishrotary.com for all other information.

    As for tyres I really wouldn't skimp on for a fairly powerful RWD

    www.camskill.co.uk or http://www.mytyres.co.uk/ do fantastically priced performance tyres

    A few worth considering: Toyo T1r, Goodyear Eagle F1 & Falken FK452

    As above post get it hot and then pull over, turn it off, and start it again, if it has trouble starting it could indicate a problem.

    I know on the rx7 you can take off the radiator cap on cold start-up to check for champagne bubbles, which means water seals issue, not sure about the rx8 however.

    Good luck


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OK, I had time to search and here it is copied and pasted. NB - Since I posted this, Mazda have since said to use mineral oil as opposed to synthetic. Also, I don't have the MPS any more :P

    It's a great car but you really do have to be an enthusiast to own one. They are not for the fickle hearted, but by the time I sold mine, I had it set up like a normal car other than the mpg.

    By that I mean it started first time every time with no hesitation at all. I did have trouble with this issue for a year and half of ownership but I sorted it myself. I did some research, bought all the parts I needed and fitted them myself.

    2003, 2004 and early 2005 models came with crap starter motors. Mazda couldn't have done a better job at almost destroying the reputation of the rotary because of this. Once an RX8 has the upgraded starter motor, upgraded battery, ignition coils, HT leads and the hot leading plugs (RE7C-L), and has no compression issues, it will be fine.

    A well looked after example will have very few issues if any. Your best bet is to buy one owned by an entusiast i.e. someone on irishrotary.com or the likes.

    With regard to oil consumption, the harder you drive it, the more oil it will use. It burns oil as part of the combustion cycle in order to keep the rotor tips lubricated. When a rotary is starved of oil, the tips aren't lubricated and this causes them to fail hence compression issues. It's not what some make it out to be by saying "oh jaysus ya have to put more oil in than petrol". Simply not true. If you're looking at one and are wondering if it's been taken care of, the owner will keep a bottle of oil in the boot or in the boot access panel.

    Try to get a compression test done on the one you're really thinking of buying. Drive a few of them and settle on the one you're happiest with. Thing is, there's only a few rotary engine compression tester machines in Ireland which all the mazda dealers here have to share as apparently, they're wicked expensive. You should book a few days in advance with your nearest dealer to make sure they have it on site when you show up.

    They are very nice cars to work on, albeit a little cramped in the engine bay but once the engine is cold, nothing to worry about except if you're doing an oil change.

    Unlike normal cars, the 8 uses 2 types of plugs - 2 leading (RE7C-L) and 2 trailing (RE9B-T). To buy them from a dealer is rape but I used get mine from the US for $80 + P&P.

    I never bothered with calculating MPG when I had it, nor do I bother with the MPS. I just drive how I want and fill up when I have to. "It's nice to have money like that" you say? Well I don't, I just think that calculating mpg takes the fun out of owning a performance car. And if it's a performance car you're after you should get used to this way of thinking too.

    The claimed figure of 25mpg is in a simulated environment. If you're expecting to get that in the real world with either the 192 or 232 models, stop thinking that right now

    I must say, I really, really miss my RX8. The MPS is great but since it's a big saloon with a 2.3 piston engine, it's not as light or nimble as the 8. I miss not having to slow down in order to take bends

    If you are interested in buying one, I would be more than happy to help by answering any questions you have.

    Here's a video showing the difference between the original starter and upgraded starter. The starter used in this was manufactured for MazdaRotaryParts but the OEM Mazda one is identical:



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Has anybody driven one of these badboys before, or better still owned one?

    Whats it like to live with as a daily runner.

    Loved mine until it shat it's oil all over a road a few weeks ago.

    Actually I still love it, just don't have the cash to sort the engine yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭ARGINITE


    smash wrote: »
    Loved mine until it shat it's oil all over a road a few weeks ago.

    Failed oil cooler line?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    ARGINITE wrote: »
    Failed oil cooler line?
    Yea, but I'm hoping it's nothing worse than just that. Should have the new lines in a week or so we'll see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭ARGINITE


    smash wrote: »
    Yea, but I'm hoping it's nothing worse than just that. Should have the new lines in a week or so we'll see.

    Is it being sorted by Mazda under the recall or out of your pocket? It's an expensive job to get fixed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Sammy_Jankis


    ARGINITE wrote: »
    Have the exact same colour combo just with a UK reg :D

    Read the RX8OC buyers guide


    This seems funny, a rebuild for low compression will be €3K ish, cheapest rebuild in the UK is £2250. But as long as compression is good then this is not required at any milage.

    Get a compression test.

    If the service history does not include a coil change in the last 20K (coils need to be changed every 30K) then budget for that, there is currently a group buy running on rx8ownersclub.co.uk for uprated Rotary Rev coils with a free set of plugs.

    Have you taken it for a test drive yet?
    Does it start from hot without issue?

    What sort of MPG do you expect from it?

    Yeah I have it now. I brought it to my mechanic and first thing he did was pull out the dipstick. It looked like a cappuccino. It wasn't like that when I looked at it 2 weeks ago! Is this normal??? I looked like an idiot bringing that to my mechanic!

    I expect 20mpg at best. Do mostly motorway driving.

    It starts from hot with no problems. I tried that 2 weeks ago.

    Coils are only included in the full warranty 500 quid for 6 months. The other is 12mths for 250 (250 one included in price).


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, the white gunk on the dipstick is normal. I nearly had heart failure when I first saw it on my one :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Sammy_Jankis


    Yes, the white gunk on the dipstick is normal. I nearly had heart failure when I first saw it on my one :(

    Cheers. I was told to "bring that back quick". I also had the Engine coolant level warning light come on twice. I was told by the dealer that both of these are normal. Is the issue with the light true?

    Dealer is going to flush the oil system and change the filter for me anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Wheres My ForkandKnife


    It sounds as if you're going into it with your eyes open.I have one six years with no real problems.MPG is early 20's.Mine is an 04 so has the earlier starter and it starts on the button.The newer starter spins faster and increases compression so it can mask low compression but if its starting on the button when hot I wouldn't worry too much.

    I would suggest a compression test to the seller.His reaction will say a lot about his confidence in the car.If you're unlucky and lose an engine within the year a rebuild starts at about €2400 in Ireland.

    One other thing, if you have to drive a short distance and the car is still cold(trip to the local shop) when you stop bring the revs up to about 4000 and knock off the ignition.This will stop it flooding.After that its like any other car.Service it on time and keep an eye on the oil.You will be throwing a drop in every couple of weeks but nothing excessive..

    Enjoy


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cheers. I was told to "bring that back quick". I also had the Engine coolant level warning light come on twice. I was told by the dealer that both of these are normal. Is the issue with the light true?

    Dealer is going to flush the oil system and change the filter for me anyway.

    The coolant thing isn't normal but is a common fault on them. It's due to coolant actually getting into the sensor and since the sensor is encased in the coolant reservoir, you need to replace the whole thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Sammy_Jankis


    One other thing, if you have to drive a short distance and the car is still cold(trip to the local shop) when you stop bring the revs up to about 4000 and knock off the ignition.This will stop it flooding.After that its like any other car.Service it on time and keep an eye on the oil.You will be throwing a drop in every couple of weeks but nothing excessive..

    Enjoy

    Cheers I read about that before I bought the car. Think I'll lose a bit of weight as I'll just walk. Can see the shop from my house!

    I have been told by two different people (mechanic & recovery truck driver who averages one a week) to just bring the car back. Not happy as I've sold my own and thought this was in good condition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ferris



    One other thing, if you have to drive a short distance and the car is still cold(trip to the local shop) when you stop bring the revs up to about 4000 and knock off the ignition.This will stop it flooding.After that its like any other car.

    I don't do this despite it being put about like wildfire. The OMP fires oil into the compression chamber when you turn off the engine. This improves the seal upon restart. Revving the engine burns the oil off.
    The coolant thing isn't normal but is a common fault on them. It's due to coolant actually getting into the sensor and since the sensor is encased in the coolant reservoir, you need to replace the whole thing.

    Or just unplug the sensor:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Wheres My ForkandKnife


    Ferris wrote: »
    I don't do this despite it being put about like wildfire. The OMP fires oil into the compression chamber when you turn off the engine. This improves the seal upon restart. Revving the engine burns the oil off.



    Or just unplug the sensor:D


    I'm not a mechanic and not going to debate what goes on inside any engine.All I do know is that I flodded the engine once and since using this method I have never flooded the car.

    If I had to sit in the drive waiting for the car to warm up or I could not drive any short distances I would get rid of the car.Its a nice car but not that nice.

    Coolant light is a common problem.It used to come on sometimes on my car until I disconnected it.Now I just keep an eye on it when checking oil. No point in buying a second hand coolant bottle as it could have the same problem and they are silly money from Mazda


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    silly money from Mazda

    I used get lots of stuff from rotaryfx.com. Brand new coolant tank on that is $200.

    http://www.rotaryfx.com/product_p/per1087.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭Fuh Q


    Just looking for opinions on the deal i'm getting. I'm going in as a cash buyer and from a search on this site the dealer seems genuine. He does know a great deal about the car and has had a few of them before.

    Deal is 5,400 with a 1 year engine and gear box warranty up to 1,300 euro. Car was advertised for 6,500 and he only reduced it a few days ago to 5,900. He has had it for over a month as a trade in. He has also offered to let me take to my mechanic and if there are any problems or i'm not happy I can bring it back. It does need two new rear tyres and he said he could source them for me quite cheaply. I dont really skimp on tyres but i'll see what he has.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4742613


    - - - - >>> www.irishrotary.com


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭ARGINITE


    Yeah I have it now. I brought it to my mechanic and first thing he did was pull out the dipstick. It looked like a cappuccino. It wasn't like that when I looked at it 2 weeks ago! Is this normal??? I looked like an idiot bringing that to my mechanic!

    An oil catch can can help relieve this issue.

    www.irishrotary.com is a great site but it's not very active and doesn't have half the technical articles that www.rx8ownersclub.co.uk has. Best £32 you can spend, I have made that back on the Sohn adapter alone from one of the group buys.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    ARGINITE wrote: »
    Is it being sorted by Mazda under the recall or out of your pocket? It's an expensive job to get fixed.

    My pocket unfortunately. :(

    As far as I remember the recall happened years ago so I doubt Mazda would cover it at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭dmaprelude


    Cheers I read about that before I bought the car. Think I'll lose a bit of weight as I'll just walk. Can see the shop from my house!

    I have been told by two different people (mechanic & recovery truck driver who averages one a week) to just bring the car back. Not happy as I've sold my own and thought this was in good condition.

    Does your mechanic have experience with rotary's? If not bring it to one who does, there's a lad in Palmerstown you can get in contact with him on irishrotary his name's therealpodge (James) very nice bloke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Wheres My ForkandKnife


    smash wrote: »
    My pocket unfortunately. :(

    As far as I remember the recall happened years ago so I doubt Mazda would cover it at this stage.

    If you haven't started the job yet or bought the parts I would look into whether the recall was done on the car or not. If it hasn't been done I imagine Mazda will still honour it.

    Mine was only done in 2010 or 2011,I can't remember now.I had an oil leak and my mechanic looked at it and thought it was a pig of a job.I remembered reading about the recall and got in touch with a main dealer.

    It was done under recall.I thought I might have a problem as I imported the car from the UK in 2007 and an Irish dealer wouldn't want to know.They never raised any issue about it being an english car.They are still getting paid for the job by Mazda,it's not as if they're doing it for free.

    I would ring a main dealer with the chassis no. and ask if the recalls have been carried out.It's going to cost you the price of a phone call at worst.The parts alone are expensive so I would fight for it if it was my car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Sammy_Jankis


    dmaprelude wrote: »
    Does your mechanic have experience with rotary's? If not bring it to one who does, there's a lad in Palmerstown you can get in contact with him on irishrotary his name's therealpodge (James) very nice bloke.

    No he doesn't have any experience on rotary. He has been working on cars all his life and I value his opinion. He normally is right.

    However through this thread and research the oil gunk is normal.

    Have you got a compression test done? how much is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭pippip


    I'm nearly certain my mate was quoted €240 from Mazda last year, although he was in a warranty issue so they may have added a few euros. Its not normal compression testing equipment, specific to rotary so not many garages may have it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Viper_JB


    On the coolant light thing I had the same problem with mine, I cleaned the sensor and it was good for about 6 months after, bit of an annoying one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ferris


    pippip wrote: »
    I'm nearly certain my mate was quoted €240 from Mazda last year, although he was in a warranty issue so they may have added a few euros. Its not normal compression testing equipment, specific to rotary so not many garages may have it.

    Eddie Doyle and a guy in palmerstown have testers and they don't charge that. 80quid I think is how much they charge.

    They know an awful lot more about rotarys than a mazda dealer too.


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