Girl (5) fighting for her life in New Delhi after brutal 48-hour rape ordeal

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 11:04PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I'm fine with people from desperately poor, war-ravaged, brutal places creating a better life for themselves here. It's what my ancestors who emigrated to America in the 1800s did.

I'd have to become familiar with immigration control policy before I just assumed that people saunter in once they say they're seeking asylum and aren't rigorously tested first. Bet plenty of them don't get in at all.

No EU member state can refuse an asylum claimant entry into their country at border control. Once you utter the word asylum - they have to process your claim. This takes time. If they refuse your claim, just appeal it. Keep appealing each refusal until you find an EU citizen to marry, a court gives you leave to remain due to you exhausting the system, have a child here, the list of loopholes are endless.

A 1950s declaration that serves no purpose in the modern world - only to help those whom want to circumvent immigration procedures. Stick a fork in it, its done. We need to modernise the asylum system.

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 11:06PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

No EU member state can refuse an asylum claimant.

If they refuse your claim

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 11:08PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yes I know of situations where it's happening. I even been told by the same people who live in my area.

They will tell you it's their rights.

Post a screenshot of the government cheque an immigrant used to purchase a car.

I dont think it happens, man. Ive heard Americans claim that Mexicans get free cars from the government too. A myth, in my view.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-04-2013 11:10PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Never said controls shouldn't be put in place - they definitely should IMO. They have to be.

Someone just gets handed a new car - for free, simply because they're foreign? Come on, you're better than believing that Liveline/Adrian Kennedy/Boylan 4FM fella shyte.

I don't need to hear about it. Don't listen to that crap.

I have seen it and been told it.

I currently live right beside a estate with 12 houses. 9 of them have both partners not working. Been like that since they arrived. Everyone of them has 10
reg car or better. Best of everything.

Or maybe they just had loads of money stashed away in bank. I'm friendly with 1 guy. Lovely fella but he admitted it too me what goes on.

Wilberto · 20-04-2013 11:10PM

Anytime I read any news items like this my faith in humanity sinks to a new low.

Almost to the point where I just don't want to live on this planet anymore.

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 11:14PM

Madam_X wrote: »

That should read - refuse an asylum claimant entry at border control.

If they refuse your claim, that doesnt mean deportation. They schedule an appeal hearing. A good lawyer will buy you a year or two. Look at Pamela Iz (I cant spell, so not even gonna try). She got appeal, after appeal here.

Her mistake was not having a kid here or not marrying an EU citizen (only costs 1, 000 euro, see my sham marriage thread). Instead she went for the ould pull on the heartstring routine. An error, on her part. She should have never mentioned her hubby, and married a local sligo lad to obtain a visa, whilst still in the asylum process. She would probably be a citizen now.

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 11:20PM

Madam_X wrote: »

But you want them to continue living that way...

Of course I dont want to see anyone experience poverty. I am not some sort of big bad bogeyman, you know.

India has a space program, one of the largest armies in the world and a country with more natural resources than Europe combined. It is not our responsibility to lift Indians out of poverty - that is up to the Indian government.

What do you suggest - we let the 500, 000, 000 lads on a dollar a day, or a sizeable number of them, into Europe?

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 11:29PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I don't need to hear about it. Don't listen to that crap.

I have seen it and been told it.

I currently live right beside a estate with 12 houses. 9 of them have both partners not working. Been like that since they arrived. Everyone of them has 10
reg car or better. Best of everything.

Or maybe they just had loads of money stashed away in bank. I'm friendly with 1 guy. Lovely fella but he admitted it too me what goes on.

Bit different to being handed a free new car though.

WayneMolloy wrote: »

India has a space program, one of the largest armies in the world and a country with more natural resources than Europe combined. It is not our responsibility to lift Indians out of poverty - that is up to the Indian government.

What do you suggest - we let the 500, 000, 000 lads on a dollar a day, or a sizeable number of them, into Europe?

I just said above of course not. But I don't agree with boycotting them to let them rot either.

SV · 20-04-2013 11:32PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I don't need to hear about it. Don't listen to that crap.

I have seen it and been told it.

I currently live right beside a estate with 12 houses. 9 of them have both partners not working. Been like that since they arrived. Everyone of them has 10
reg car or better. Best of everything.

Or maybe they just had loads of money stashed away in bank. I'm friendly with 1 guy. Lovely fella but he admitted it too me what goes on.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsgi2ribsQ1r3pcbso1_400.gif

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 11:34PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I just said above of course not. But I don't agree with boycotting them to let them rot either.

I never called for a boycott of the place. I cant visit places that require me to have vaccinations before visiting anyway so il be abstaining from going there, irregardless.

Da Shins Kelly · 20-04-2013 11:47PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

500 million Indians live on a dollar a day. Imagine living life experiencing such conditions?

The Indian government and the moderate to extremely wealthy dont give a f*ck. I think its a caste thing - they view the down and outs as below them and less human.

You can shame them into doing something alright(like the mdia are doing now). But you wont change the attitude and the culture.

It won't happen overnight, but attitudes can and do change.

WayneMolloy · 21-04-2013 01:15AM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

It won't happen overnight, but attitudes can and do change.

Oh yes, and not always for the better. The left in Sweden managed to turn their country into the rape capital of Europe. A remarkable achievement.

Anyway, we have evil rapists in our midst here in Ireland, we dont have to go to India to find them. Some demonic creature raped a women at gunpoint in baldoyle a few days ago. Woman was only in here early 20s - another innocent woman has her live ruined.

Hasnt been nabbed yet afaik - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-tiedup-and-raped-at-gunpoint-in-the-baldoyle-suburb-of-dublin-29205995.html

shedweller · 21-04-2013 01:46AM

Push Pop wrote: »

Generally, the left leaning media shies away from reporting stories like this as it can fuel xenophobia and racism.
Remember Nicola Furlongs death in Tokyo? Hardly reported at all in the USA.

**** that. Bring on the Xenomorph. And maybe a b-52. For backup.

Lou.m · 21-04-2013 06:44AM

Grayson wrote: »

There are war torn places in africa where as many as 1 in 3 women have been raped. The world is a very messed up place.

Closer to home, I have to say, I hate guns. But as dangerous as tasers are, I'd have no problem with women being allowed to carry a small one as a defence measure.

Much higher than one in three in Africa.... in AMERICA 1in3 women will be assaulted in her lifetime.. http://www.woar.org/resources/sexual-assault-statistics.php

As I said in Africa it is much much higher....life is tough there..people behave like animals when under great stress and trauma

Nodin · 21-04-2013 06:54AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I don't need to hear about it. Don't listen to that crap.

I have seen it and been told it.

I currently live right beside a estate with 12 houses. 9 of them have both partners not working. Been like that since they arrived. Everyone of them has 10
reg car or better. Best of everything.

Or maybe they just had loads of money stashed away in bank. I'm friendly with 1 guy. Lovely fella but he admitted it too me what goes on.

Load of mickey, tbh.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 21-04-2013 07:42AM

Nodin wrote: »

Load of mickey, tbh.

?????

Interrobang · 21-04-2013 11:12AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Fuck I wish I hadn't read that.

Same here, but we should, because otherwise we do a huge injustice to the victim and become complicit in turning a blind eye to sickening outrages like this.

I love my kids more than anything else in the world, but stories like this make me wonder whether I should have had them. My daughter - my small, innocent, happy, trusting, vulnerable little daughter - is the same age at this poor child. The thoughts of something like this ever happening to her destroys me, and yet it's not beyond the bounds of possibility. That terrifies me.

woodoo · 21-04-2013 12:06PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Oh yes, and not always for the better. The left in Sweden managed to turn their country into the rape capital of Europe. A remarkable achievement.

Anyway, we have evil rapists in our midst here in Ireland, we dont have to go to India to find them. Some demonic creature raped a women at gunpoint in baldoyle a few days ago. Woman was only in here early 20s - another innocent woman has her live ruined.

Hasnt been nabbed yet afaik - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-tiedup-and-raped-at-gunpoint-in-the-baldoyle-suburb-of-dublin-29205995.html

Attacker was not irish btw. They don't give a description of the attacker and i'm sure the woman gave one. Make of that what you will.

Nodin · 21-04-2013 12:13PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

?????

You don't understand what "load of mickey" means? "Load of bollocks" perhaps? "load of crap"?

The_Kew_Tour · 21-04-2013 12:57PM

Nodin wrote: »

Load of mickey, tbh.

LOL

Pot meet kettle

Nodin · 21-04-2013 01:21PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

LOL

Pot meet kettle

You claimed it, it's for you to back it up. I await with bated breath.

The_Kew_Tour · 21-04-2013 01:34PM

Interrobang wrote: »

Same here, but we should, because otherwise we do a huge injustice to the victim and become complicit in turning a blind eye to sickening outrages like this.

I love my kids more than anything else in the world, but stories like this make me wonder whether I should have had them. My daughter - my small, innocent, happy, trusting, vulnerable little daughter - is the same age at this poor child. The thoughts of something like this ever happening to her destroys me, and yet it's not beyond the bounds of possibility. That terrifies me.

I don't have children so I can't really with confidence, but you have to leave children have a life too.

Hearing these stories should not make any parent afraid just more aware.

99% of people are decent honest human beings, don't any parent let few nut jobs get in way.

orestes · 21-04-2013 02:29PM

A horrific rape of a 5 year old girl = immigration thread?

Seriously, what the fukk?

Grand Moff Tarkin · 21-04-2013 02:40PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

LOL

Pot meet kettle

Oh so you are saying he is telling a fib. Now i get you.

Legs.Eleven · 21-04-2013 02:48PM

I think this might be the saddest thing I've read in a long time. How upsetting. The poor little girl.

The_Kew_Tour · 21-04-2013 02:53PM

Just shocked that this made no headlines.

Just hope this girl can get near to normal life as possible. Not sure how but hope she does.

Spanish Harlem · 21-04-2013 04:21PM

Why are people pretending race isn't an issue here? Over 7,200 infants are raped each year in India. From the BBC. When adults are included, that number swells to over 24,200 reported cases. From Human Rights Watch. The actual number is estimated to be a lot higher.

Then we have South Africa, which holds the dubious honour of rape capital of the planet. In South Africa, it's estimated that a woman is raped every 26 seconds and a child every 15 minutes. Source. Raping children cures you of AIDs, don't you know. Many sub-Saharan Africans refuse to take western medicine as they see it as poison from the White Devils.

Back to Western society. In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man. Source.

I have already linked to the Times article about the deliberate media silence on Pakistani sex rings grooming white children in the UK for sex. The vast majority of rapes, even in Western societies, are caused by non-whites. Now convince me why more non-EU immigration is a good thing. How will it benefit me. Links to back up your argument would be nice.

We must first acknowledge that a problem exists before we can tackle it.

Nodin · 21-04-2013 04:25PM

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Why are people pretending race isn't an issue here?..............

Nobody here is pretending race isn't an issue, because race isn't an issue.

Spanish Harlem · 21-04-2013 04:26PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nobody here is pretending race isn't an issue, because race isn't an issue.

You conveniently left out my entire post.

Nodin · 21-04-2013 04:30PM

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

You conveniently left out my entire post.

It's fairly irrelevant.

Girl (5) fighting for her life in New Delhi after brutal 48-hour rape ordeal

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