Girl (5) fighting for her life in New Delhi after brutal 48-hour rape ordeal

woodoo · 20-04-2013 09:28PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Have a read of this article on the subject - http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346059

That was awful, i just don't know why europe is opening the door to all these immigrants and asylum seekers anyway. What do we owe them? What can they offer us that we can't provide ourselves? Its a mystery to me. Close the borders of europe and only let a small amount of useful educated immigrants in. People we need.. nobody else.

Spanish Harlem · 20-04-2013 09:28PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I doubt there's a blatant policy like that. If it's due to the left-leaning media, then wouldn't Fox report it? It's just not a big story in the U.S.

Attitudes like this make my blood boil. People like you are an enabler of these sex offenders.

From the Times: "A culture of silence that has facilitated the sexual exploitation of hundreds of young British girls by criminal pimping gangs is exposed by The Times today." The media are afraid to report on the rape epidemic occurring across Europe. Why? Because the vast majority of the child rapists are Pakistani and Afghan. We have to pretend we live in a multicultural fairy-tale so as not to upset the lefties and the hand-wringing PC brigade. Ignorance is bliss. Fair play to the Times for acknowledging the deliberate silence from media outlets on the issue.

To address the thread topic directly: India is an absolute hell-hole with a backward primitive culture. Discrimination is rife within the medieval caste system, infanticide is common with baby girls, and they are completely uneducated regarding hygiene. Indians will happily bathe in the disease infested Ganges river, while rotten dead corpses float by. Ireland needs to boycott India until they cop-on - don't buy Indian products, don't accept Indian immigrants into this country, and discourage people from travelling there.

shopaholic01 · 20-04-2013 09:34PM

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Attitudes like this make my blood boil. People like you are an enabler of these sex offenders.

To be fair, I think Madam_X was merely offering an explanation as to why these crimes are under-reported. She wasn't agreeing with it, nor condoning it, in any way.

20-04-2013 09:34PM

Jesus h christ
the baby girl, the swedish woman, it's bloody unthinkable

oikster · 20-04-2013 09:37PM

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Attitudes like this make my blood boil. People like you are an enabler of these sex offenders.

From the Times: "A culture of silence that has facilitated the sexual exploitation of hundreds of young British girls by criminal pimping gangs is exposed by The Times today." The media are afraid to report on the rape epidemic occurring across Europe. Why? Because the vast majority of the child rapists are Pakistani and Afghan. We have to pretend we live in a multicultural fairy-tale so as not to upset the lefties and the hand-wringing PC brigade. Ignorance is bliss. Fair play to the Times for acknowledging the deliberate silence from media outlets on the issue.

To address the thread topic directly: India is an absolute hell-hole with a backward primitive culture. Discrimination is rife within the medieval caste system, infanticide is common with baby girls, and they are completely uneducated regarding hygiene. Indians will happily bathe in the disease infested Ganges river, while rotten dead corpses float by. Ireland needs to boycott India until they cop-on - don't buy Indian products, don't accept Indian immigrants into this country, and discourage people from travelling there.

Meanwhile some large companies are setting up factories here all for the cheap labour. The problem is that those who control don't care.

Spanish Harlem · 20-04-2013 09:37PM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

To be fair, I think Madam_X was merely offering an explanation as to why these crimes are under-reported. She wasn't agreeing with it, nor condoning it, in any way.

Please see my link from the Times newspaper above. The Times is the paper of record in the UK, you can't get more reputable than that. They admitted that there was a deliberate media censorship on reporting about the Pakistani-run sex rings in Northern England where young white British girls were groomed for sex and repeatedly raped. I know the truth may make you feel uncomfortable if you're a leftie but please open your eyes.

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 10:03PM

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Attitudes like this make my blood boil. People like you are an enabler of these sex offenders.

I am not an enabler of sex offenders - and you know I'm not. That is both an insulting and extremely idiotic thing to say. I displayed no "attitude", I simply said it may not be widely reported in the U.S. because it is not deemed news-worthy enough there. It can't just be assumed without proof that it's just down to the left-leaning media, and anyway not all the media in the U.S. is left-leaning, by a long-shot.
I know you're relishing the opportunity to go on about "lefties" but please use an actual valid reason to do so.

From the Times: "A culture of silence that has facilitated the sexual exploitation of hundreds of young British girls by criminal pimping gangs is exposed by The Times today."

Not disputing it at all. And guess what The Times is? Left-leaning...

The media are afraid to report on the rape epidemic occurring across Europe. Why? Because the vast majority of the child rapists are Pakistani and Afghan.

It looks that way all right. Unfortunately people like you who use it to legitimise hate-mongering is another aspect to the hesitancy of people to report it. I would view it as appeasing the left (well moreso people who are Pakistani, Afghan and so on - not everything you disagree with is designed to placate "lefties herpa derpa") but due to fear of reprisals from the far right. It should be reported though.

India is an absolute hell-hole with a backward primitive culture.

India is a sub-continent with a population of over 1.2 billion. I absolutely agree with your sentence above in relation to parts of it, but would not be willing to presume it is like that throughout its entirety.

Discrimination is rife within the medieval caste system, infanticide is common with baby girls, and they are completely uneducated regarding hygiene. Indians will happily bathe in the disease infested Ganges river, while rotten dead corpses float by.

All problems there for certain.

Ireland needs to boycott India until they cop-on - don't buy Indian products

So make the poor poorer yeh?

don't accept Indian immigrants into this country

How will people not being able to leave there to make a better life for themselves and their families improve things?
Interesting how you claim concern for the vulnerable there... yet a few sentences later advocate the same people being in an even worse position.

Spanish Harlem wrote: »

Please see my link from the Times newspaper above. The Times is the paper of record in the UK, you can't get more reputable than that. They admitted that there was a deliberate media censorship on reporting about the Pakistani-run sex rings in Northern England where young white British girls were groomed for sex and repeatedly raped. I know the truth may make you feel uncomfortable if you're a leftie but please open your eyes.

I've no problem facing up to that myself. Strange response from you to Shopaholic though - doesn't answer her post you quoted. It's not like she said anything to deny the above, she just highlighted how irrational your post to me was.

woodoo wrote: »

That was awful, i just don't know why europe is opening the door to all these immigrants and asylum seekers anyway. What do we owe them?

Well re Britain: India and Pakistan are in the Commonwealth.

You're cool with Irish people emigrating to Australia/New Zealand/America/Canada other non EU jurisdictions though?

shopaholic01 · 20-04-2013 10:15PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I've no problem facing up to that myself. Strange response from you to Shopaholic though - doesn't answer her post you quoted. It's not like she said anything to deny the above, she just highlighted how irrational your post to me was.

Ah, but apparently I'm a leftie with closed eyes.

Da Shins Kelly · 20-04-2013 10:19PM

I would think that instead of "boycotting" a country, that the more foreigners they have coming in the better. It could bring about a change there. For example, during fascism in Spain, there was a lot of censorship surrounding sex and the body and what have you, and then lots of Scandinavian tourists started arriving and were wearing bikinis and such on the beaches. It was this kind of tourism that contributed to the change in attitude and brought about a kind of liberation with regards to sex and the body. Exposure to people of other nationalities who have different perspectives can bring about positive change.

woodoo · 20-04-2013 10:21PM

Madam_X wrote: »

You're cool with Irish people emigrating to Australia/New Zealand/America/Canada other non EU jurisdictions though?

Yeah western culture people integrate well so its not a problem.

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 10:22PM

woodoo wrote: »

Yeah western culture people integrate well so its not a problem.

Not sure about a lot of the Irish in Australia.

woodoo · 20-04-2013 10:29PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Not sure about a lot of the Irish in Australia.

Can i ask you why would we in europe would want a load of 20 or 30 something year old afghan refugees to come here.

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 10:35PM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

If I was that woman I would wish they had killed me. She will never have a normal life with that extent of physical and emotional trauma.

They have given her a faith worse than death. She will have to relay the events of that day, every day, for the rest of her existence. She was two babogs too.

The seven perps will be out in a decade and free to live their life. They wont even be deported. Hardly justice, is it?

SV · 20-04-2013 10:38PM

I feel ill after reading that.
Usually after these kind of stories I'm filled with anger and an unattainable desire to seek out some kind kind of revenge for the victim.

This story, however, has just left me feeling empty, sad and sick.

That poor child

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 10:39PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Not sure about a lot of the Irish in Australia.

They act the bollix on the drink alright - but considering their demographic and numbers, they seem to commit relatively few crimes. Oh, and only 2 percent of them are on welfare there. They work.

Pay your way, no sponging and dont commit major crimes, that is my idea of ideal migrants.

General General · 20-04-2013 10:41PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I would think that instead of "boycotting" a country, that the more foreigners they have coming in the better. It could bring about a change there. For example, during fascism in Spain, there was a lot of censorship surrounding sex and the body and what have you, and then lots of Scandinavian tourists started arriving and were wearing bikinis and such on the beaches. It was this kind of tourism that contributed to the change in attitude and brought about a kind of liberation with regards to sex and the body. Exposure to people of other nationalities who have different perspectives can bring about positive change.

I'm not sure that this is a good comparison.

However, when the victim as well as the evil come from the same place, it's not easy to see how a boycott punishes one & not the other.

Tourism for India, all that said, is dead.

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 10:44PM

woodoo wrote: »

Can i ask you why would we in europe would want a load of 20 or 30 something year old afghan refugees to come here.

I don't know, but if they get let in and work, I don't have an issue with it. Better place to raise a family than some of the places they come from. They don't just saunter in though, there are controls in place.

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Pay your way, no sponging and dont commit major crimes, that is my idea of ideal migrants.

It's obviously anyone's idea of ideal immigrants. Unfortunately all of them get lumped in with the criminal/sponging ones.

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 10:45PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I would think that instead of "boycotting" a country, that the more foreigners they have coming in the better. It could bring about a change there. For example, during fascism in Spain, there was a lot of censorship surrounding sex and the body and what have you, and then lots of Scandinavian tourists started arriving and were wearing bikinis and such on the beaches. It was this kind of tourism that contributed to the change in attitude and brought about a kind of liberation with regards to sex and the body. Exposure to people of other nationalities who have different perspectives can bring about positive change.

Its not our place to change their country. Change must come from within. And parts of India are relatively safe for tourists already - like Goa for example. The idea of sending a load of bikini clad westerners to some rural Indian village is lolatastic.

Its a cultural thing and imho - the west should not get involved

Da Shins Kelly · 20-04-2013 10:45PM

General General wrote: »

I'm not sure that this is a good comparison.

However, when the victim as well as the evil come from the same place, it's not easy to see how a boycott punishes one & not the other.

Tourism for India, all that said, is dead.

Well, the general idea behind it is that meeting people who have different perspectives can possibly change aspects of a culture.

Chuck Stone · 20-04-2013 10:47PM

woodoo wrote: »

Yeah western culture people integrate well so its not a problem.

I'm not sure the native peoples of North and South America, Australia and Africa would agree with you there tbh.

See what I did there?

woodoo · 20-04-2013 10:49PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I don't know, but if they get let in and work, I don't have an issue with it. Better place to raise a family than some of the places they come from. They don't just saunter in though, there are controls in place.

Why is what is good for them the main issue. What about what is good for europe. Do we need these people. What can they offer us that we can't do ourselves.

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 10:51PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I don't know, but if they get let in and work, I don't have an issue with it. Better place to raise a family than some of the places they come from. They don't just saunter in though, there are controls in place.

It's obviously anyone's idea of ideal immigrants. Unfortunately all of them get lumped in with the criminal/sponging ones.

There are f*ck all controls in place. Just utter the word asylum and you will become a European citizen in no time.

Europe should do an Australia and build a few large asylum centres off the Greek coast. Anyone claiming asylum in the Eu goes there. Legit - each eu country takes its fair share, proportionally. But I want to go to Sweden!? Stfu - you have been designated Poland. Those deemed bogus - enjoy the trip home. Dont worry, we made sure the inflight meal is halal.

If the U.N. start bitching tell them to kick rocks and stop spreading cholera in Haiti.

Da Shins Kelly · 20-04-2013 10:51PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Its not our place to change their country. Change must come from within. And parts of India are relatively safe for tourists already - like Goa for example. The idea of sending a load of bikini clad westerners to some rural Indian village is lolatastic.

Its a cultural thing and imho - the west should not get involved

I'm not suggesting that we barge in and make them all change or that we send in a bunch of people in bikinis, that was just an example that I was using from Spain. What I'm saying is that boycotting them isn't going to help anything either. If anything it just means that it'll stay the same. Exposure to different cultures does help.

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 10:51PM

I'm fine with people from desperately poor, war-ravaged, brutal places creating a better life for themselves here. It's what my ancestors who emigrated to America in the 1800s did.

I'd have to become familiar with immigration control policy before I just assumed that people saunter in once they say they're seeking asylum and aren't rigorously tested first. Bet plenty of them don't get in at all.

WayneMolloy · 20-04-2013 10:57PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Well, the general idea behind it is that meeting people who have different perspectives can possibly change aspects of a culture.

500 million Indians live on a dollar a day. Imagine living life experiencing such conditions?

The Indian government and the moderate to extremely wealthy dont give a f*ck. I think its a caste thing - they view the down and outs as below them and less human.

You can shame them into doing something alright(like the mdia are doing now). But you wont change the attitude and the culture.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-04-2013 10:57PM

Once they work no problem. Or try to look.

Not be getting brand new cars houses and everything paid for which costs us millions going closer to billions a year.

Welcome to Ireland!

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 10:58PM

The Kew Tour, do you honestly think immigrants are handed brand new houses and cars for nothing?

WayneMolloy wrote: »

500 million Indians live on a dollar a day. Imagine living life experiencing such conditions?

But you want them to continue living that way...

woodoo · 20-04-2013 11:00PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I'm fine with people from desperately poor, war-ravaged, brutal places creating a better life for themselves here. It's what my ancestors who emigrated to America in the 1800s did.

And you are obviously entitled to that view. I don't share it.
I favour letting small numbers of immigrants in with priority to people we actually need.

Currently there are 1.22 billion people living on below 2 dollars per day http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/TOPICS/EXTPOVERTY/EXTPA/0,,contentMDK:20040961~menuPK:435040~pagePK:148956~piPK:216618~theSitePK:430367~isCURL:Y,00.html

Theoretically they could all fair better here so how would you feel about 1.22 billion coming here. Where does it stop.

The_Kew_Tour · 20-04-2013 11:01PM

Madam_X wrote: »

The Kew Tour, do you honestly think immigrants are handed brand new houses and cars for nothing?

But you want them to continue living that way...

Yes I know of situations where it's happening. I even been told by the same people who live in my area.

They will tell you it's their rights.

Madam_X · 20-04-2013 11:03PM

woodoo wrote: »

And you are obviously entitled to that view. I don't share it.
I favour letting small numbers of immigrants in with priority to people we actually need.

Currently there are 1.22 billion people living on below 2 dollars per day http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/TOPICS/EXTPOVERTY/EXTPA/0,,contentMDK:20040961~menuPK:435040~pagePK:148956~piPK:216618~theSitePK:430367~isCURL:Y,00.html

Theoretically they could all fair better here so how would you feel about 1.22 billion coming here. Where does it stop.

Never said controls shouldn't be put in place - they definitely should IMO. They have to be.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yes I know of situations where it's happening. I even been told by the same people who live in my area.

They will tell you it's their rights.

Someone just gets handed a new car - for free, simply because they're foreign? Come on, you're better than believing that Liveline/Adrian Kennedy/Boylan 4FM fella shyte.

Girl (5) fighting for her life in New Delhi after brutal 48-hour rape ordeal

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