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Bird Flu Is Back....H7N9

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭Baneblade


    More scaremongering about something that will have no effect on us.

    so far, all it takes is one person on a plane


  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I love that the OP's name is a type of bird food.

    That is all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭beans


    More scaremongering about something that will have no effect on us.

    <tinfoilhat>
    It'll have an effect on the stockpiles of short-dated Tamiflu sitting in the Roche storehouses!
    </tinfoilhat>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Arent we well overdue for a pandemic anyway? At least thats what all the sciencey folk were saying during the swine flu hype


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Has it actually started spreading from human to human yet, or is it just bird to human so far? Not toooo much to be worried about til it goes human to human.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Eating chicken nuggets. Like a boss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    lets all buy shares in Roche Pharma


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Current infections 88. Death toll 17

    This fascinating virus continues to puzzle scientists. China and the WHO say it is transmitted by poultry but the numbers are not adding up according to many studying it.
    Of the 47,801 samples collected from more than 1,000 poultry markets, habitats, farms and slaughterhouses across the country, 39 samples have tested positive for the virus, the Ministry of Agriculture said in a statement.

    Only 39 birds tested positive (one of those was a wild pigeon)
    88 humans have tested positive.

    More than double the amount of humans have H7N9 than poultry?

    There's either something wrong with their testing and sampling or another species is spreading it. The source/host has still not been found.

    Then there's this

    40% Of Chinese Sick With H7N9 Bird Flu Had No Contact With Poultry



    As for Human-to-Human infection, this from the U.S. CDC.
    There is still no evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission, which would certainly propel us into pandemic territory.

    There are, however, suspected cases of limited human-to-human spread that investigators are looking into but this is not wholly unexpected and limited human-to-human transmission does not automatically mean a pandemic is nigh.


    Also from the WHO
    We are not near a H7N9 pandemic yet but we need to understand better how the virus works in order to control the outbreak.


    Containment still looks really good.

    Map of spread, zoom out for a better view. (the pink markers are H1N1 infections)

    https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=200073663810992252651.0004d96b6096833780da3&ie=UTF8&t=m&ll=33.100745,117.883301&spn=6.440409,10.678711&z=6&source=embed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Good. I have pallets of "Bird flu" kits sitting in storage from the last "outbreak". About as much use as all them "snow-shoe-grippers" everyone tried selling. 11 died? Gis a bell when it's 11,000,000.

    35,000 Americans died last year in car crashes. Funnily enough, no-ones panicking about getting a "car-crash" vaccine. More scare-mongering. Next they'll be saying someone posted ricin to Enda Kenny, you know, that ricin stuff, the undetectable, pretty much invisible poison.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    oh yay, yet another flu for people to over react about. When it starts killing lots of people without pre existing medical problems in a country with good health care I'll start to actually think of it as a possible threat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Its funny the way people think that a virus only becomes important once it starts killing people by the hundreds or thousands.

    The most important time is when it first appears, when as few people as possible have it. Keeping infections and the death toll down, containing the virus, finding the best treatment until a vaccine is found, finding the source or host.

    This is the most vital time-period when a virus appears. Right now. If the Chinese get this right and keep it contained and prevent infections then that would be the big story of H7N9, though it wont make many headlines.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Thrill wrote: »
    Its funny the way people think that a virus only becomes important once it starts killing people by the hundreds or thousands.

    The most important time is when it first appears, when as few people as possible have it. Keeping infections and the death toll down, containing the virus, finding the best treatment until a vaccine is found, finding the source or host.

    This is the most vital time-period when a virus appears. Right now. If the Chinese get this right and keep it contained and prevent infections then that would be the big story of H7N9, though it wont make many headlines.
    Ironically, if that does happen, most people will be just saying "Ah it was just hype over nothing" </shrug>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Baneblade wrote: »
    so far, all it takes is one person on a plane

    No it doesn't, it's not transmittable between humans yet. Incidentally, it's a nasty stain of flu, 5-7 days incubation, then 24 hours between full health and severe pneumonia. Dangerous stuff, as mortality from H7N9 is 19.7% right now. That will probably drop dramatically, but still, not good. Mortality from flu is usually around 2%.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Thrill wrote: »
    Its funny the way people think that a virus only becomes important once it starts killing people by the hundreds or thousands.

    The most important time is when it first appears, when as few people as possible have it. Keeping infections and the death toll down, containing the virus, finding the best treatment until a vaccine is found, finding the source or host.

    This is the most vital time-period when a virus appears. Right now. If the Chinese get this right and keep it contained and prevent infections then that would be the big story of H7N9, though it wont make many headlines.
    +1. We may be flippant about it, but if a bad flu kicks off we'd be in real trouble. The pandemic of 1918 killed between 50 and 100 million of the world's population. That's the tally of the whole of World War Two on all sides. Growing up I heard stories of the time from elderly relatives of people dying in high numbers here in Ireland.

    Yes we have better medical knowledge these days, but even with all of that we could be very quickly overwhelmed if a strain like the 1918 one kicked off. Add in increasing antibiotic resistance regarding secondary infections and we'd be in a right mess. The other thing about many of these strains is they tend to be more deadly to the young and healthy. Their own immune systems kill them. Older people and young kids because their immune systems aren't so strong have more chance of survival. I recall reading of an Inuit settlement in Canada IIRC, which was very isolated and very badly hit through the 1918 pandemic and when people got to the settlement they afterwards, they found mostly old people and kids left. Scary stuff.

    There are viruses and other disease agents out there that could mutate and cause incredible damage. We forget that in Europe for the guts of 500 years up to the 18th century there were rolling "plagues" that killed millions. Not just the plague/Black death either. Judging by the records there were all sorts of odd diseases with varying symptoms they lumped under the plague title. One was the sweating disease in Tudor times that did in thousands. In one way Europe and Europeans are "lucky". We've had these rolling plagues and each one of us are descendants of those who survived them, which seems to have given us some immunity, compared to other populations. EG HIV. HIV has hit Europe and those of European descent a lot less hard than in Asia and particularly Africa and some of this seems to be down to local protective mutations in Europeans. Indeed there are Europeans who are essentially immune to HIV, while others need much more exposure to get it. Another example was the colonisation of the new world. European diseases killed many millions of the native Americans. Diseases that to Europeans were just accepted and rarely caused death, measles, chicken pox etc, even the common cold.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    H7N9 has spread to Taiwan. A man has tested positive and is in critical condition. Three health care workers who were in contact with him are now suffering respiratory illness (a H7N9 symptom), despite wearing protective gear.

    I'm hoping the three health care workers are just suffering from normal flu, otherwise it means this H7N9 virus is definitely Human-to-Human. All others that were in contact with him are being closely monitored (138 people). 4 have passed the 7-day incubation period without showing symptoms.

    This man claims he had no contact with birds or poultry while in Suzhou, China.

    The number of cases of H7N9 infections is 108. 22 have died and there have been 12 recoveries.

    H7N9 appears to be mostly hitting the older age group (average age 61) compared to previous versions of bird flu, where the average age was people in their mid-to-late 20s.

    There's a media clamp down in China for the past couple of weeks but only since last week has China decreed that media info has to be cleared by the state before publication.
    Dozens of bloggers have been arrested to prevent "scare stories".

    Over the past few days many countries,including the U.S. and the U.K., have told their hospitals to be on the alert for the virus.

    Japans measures seem to be the strictest I've seen so far.


    There's still no clue as to the source but the WHO claims birds the most likely. How its spreading is also a puzzle as a lot of people have had no contact with poultry.

    WHO: H7N9 virus 'one of the most lethal so far'

    Hong Kong (CNN) -- As the death toll from China's bird flu outbreak rose to 22 with news of another victim in eastern Zhejiang Province, the World Health Organization warned the H7N9 virus was one of the most lethal that doctors and medical investigators had faced in recent years.

    "This is definitely one of the most lethal influenza viruses that we have seen so far."

    Fukuda, meanwhile, said WHO officials "are at the beginning of our understanding of this virus."
    "(The situation remains) complex, difficult and it is evolving," he said.


    So far there is no evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission, the authorities say.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/24/world/asia/china-birdflu/index.html?eref=edition&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


    Containment not looking so good now. Hardly surprising though, given how hard H7N9 is to detect.


    Stats/map
    http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i5t7sM8pnuoI.png

    Madagascar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭Awesomeness


    I an living in Dalian in North East China. Interestingly a number of my chinese friends think the number of infected people has been much higher than what the government is stating - Not the first time thats happened.

    On another note I have a colleague heading to Ireland next week so hopefully he does not become infected. Look out for him - hes the chinese lad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Why does this stuff always happen in Asia first?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    smash wrote: »
    Why does this stuff always happen in Asia first?

    Probably to do with high population and proximity to dirty animals. Could be wrong, but just guessing!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes


    Yakult wrote: »
    Probably to do with high population and proximity to dirty animals. Could be wrong, but just guessing!

    Supposedly they farm poultry and geese in huge numbers in not-very-hygenic conditions, so loads of the farms and lakes they use are ideal breeding grounds for bacteria and perfect conditions for viruses to spread and mutate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Rabies will kick its ass.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Thrill wrote: »
    This man claims he had no contact with birds or poultry while in Suzhou, China......

    ......There's still no clue as to the source but the WHO claims birds the most likely. How its spreading is also a puzzle as a lot of people have had no contact with poultry.

    From my limited experience of Asia (and the most sanitised part of Asia at that) you're never that far away from poultry even if it is dead. Every place serviing chicken claw soup seems to have a bundle of claws hanging around. Can viruses leap from a dead host to a live host?
    Thrill wrote: »

    The number of cases of H7N9 infections is 108. 22 have died and there have been 12 recoveries.

    What of the other 66 - are they still sick at present, do you know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭Awesomeness


    Yeah you often go into restaurants here and see birds. I was at a bbq place just monday night and they had a cage with 2 birds on the floor. one alive one dead


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    From my limited experience of Asia (and the most sanitised part of Asia at that) you're never that far away from poultry even if it is dead. Every place serviing chicken claw soup seems to have a bundle of claws hanging around. Can viruses leap from a dead host to a live host?



    What of the other 66 - are they still sick at present, do you know?

    Mostly serious and critical from what I've read.

    A Chinese pharmaceutical company has said today that a vaccine should be ready by august. Four months to contain the virus until then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Thrill wrote: »
    Mostly serious and critical from what I've read.

    A Chinese pharmaceutical company has said today that a vaccine should be ready by august. Four months to contain the virus until then.

    Jesus! That's not a very good window. This is looking like one really nasty virus. :(
    I hope they can contain it, but I do have my doubts.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,593 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    smash wrote: »
    Why does this stuff always happen in Asia first?
    You mean like the measles in Wales ? They are still not certain if it was the cause of death, but back in 2000 kids died of it here.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22299596


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    Birdemic was right. Time to stock up on coat hangers. We'll get the barstewards!


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