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  • #3662
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    woodoo wrote: »
    How much would you cut dreamertimes 382 per week by?


    17% I assume :(


  • #3663
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    17% I assume :(

    You must be joking.. they want you destroyed dreamertime :D 40% i'd say and they would want you working 60 hr weeks for it.


  • #3664
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭iba


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    17% I assume :(

    17%, are you mad? He wants you to work for free whilst others stay in bed all day, drink and take heroin and have their social welfare and free medical cards and rent allownaces increased.


  • #3665
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    iba wrote: »
    17%, are you mad? He wants you to work for free whilst others stay in bed all day, drink and take heroin and have their social welfare and free medical cards and rent allownaces increased.


    Apparently I'm being paid a 17% premium to me 'equivilents' in the private sector.

    Who these equivilents are I'm yet to be told. :)


  • #3666
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    woodoo wrote: »
    You must be joking.. they want you destroyed dreamertime :D 40% i'd say and they would want you working 60 hr weeks for it.


    But its what I deserve. Evil, blood sucking Clerical Officer that I am. ;)


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  • #3667
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭iba


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    Apparently I'm being paid a 17% premium to me 'equivilents' in the private sector.

    Who these equivilents are I'm yet to be told. :)

    He probably means the Heroin addicts


  • #3668
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    iba wrote: »
    He probably means the Heroin addicts


    Have you any Phy for sale?


  • #3669
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,766 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    Apparently I'm being paid a 17% premium to me 'equivilents' in the private sector.

    Who these equivilents are I'm yet to be told. :)

    Maybe this lad --

    http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/doorman.html#comp.asp?recid=837091&xtra=


  • #3670
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭iba


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Maybe this lad --

    http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/doorman.html#comp.asp?recid=837091&xtra=

    ah but he gets tips tax free


  • #3671
    2moreMinutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭2moreMinutes


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    Apparently I'm being paid a 17% premium to me 'equivilents' in the private sector.

    Who these equivilents are I'm yet to be told. :)
    I may have missed it but what job do u actually have? Also, how long have u been in the job?


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  • #3672
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    2moreMinutes wrote: »
    I may have missed it but what job do u actually have? Also, how long have u been in the job?

    My client is answering no more questions. That will be all.


  • #3673
    2moreMinutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭2moreMinutes


    woodoo wrote: »
    My client is answering no more questions. That will be all.
    One more thing.....


  • #3674
    barneystinson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    Do you really think cutting my wages from €382 a week to € 350 a week will get more productivity out of me?

    If you're a Clerical Officer in the civil service, the salary scale starts at 23,177 for people hired post-1995. That's €444 a week. Don't muddy the waters by talking about your net pay, which is what you must be doing unless you don't work a full week.


  • #3675
    2moreMinutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭2moreMinutes


    barneystinson wrote: »
    If you're a Clerical Officer in the civil service, the salary scale starts at 23,177 for people hired post-1995. That's €444 a week. Don't muddy the waters by talking about your net pay, which is what you must be doing unless you don't work a full week.
    Which is where I was trying to get him to go before he suddenly went all quiet.


  • #3676
    Count Dooku
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    iba wrote: »
    And finally if you think that the civil service is such a cushy number, why didnt you join
    a) it always was closed shop
    http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2010-04-28.1056.0
    I think that even one appointed from outside had a strong backround in civil service before)
    b) even in 2005 it was at least 46 applicants for each position in civil service
    (46595 applied for 1012 positions, table 4 http://www.cpsa.ie/User_Uploads/en/CPSA_Report2006E.pdf)


  • #3677
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,766 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    2moreMinutes wrote: »
    Which is where I was trying to get him to go before he suddenly went all quiet.

    Maybe he's paying a pension levy.


  • #3678
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    barneystinson wrote: »
    If you're a Clerical Officer in the civil service, the salary scale starts at 23,177 for people hired post-1995. That's €444 a week. Don't muddy the waters by talking about your net pay, which is what you must be doing unless you don't work a full week.


    I've never hidden the fact that €382 is my nett take home pay.


  • #3679
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    2moreMinutes wrote: »
    Which is where I was trying to get him to go before he suddenly went all quiet.

    Go on then.


  • #3680
    barneystinson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    Apparently I'm being paid a 17% premium to me 'equivilents' in the private sector.

    Who these equivilents are I'm yet to be told. :)

    A clerical officer is probably one of the easier grades to correlate to the private sector. My OH works as a CO as it happens, and she says it beggars belief that some of the women working with her earn nearly 40k, considering they can barely turn on a computer and spend most of their days generally being saucy with the staff & customers they provide admin support to.

    I challenge you to show me a CO in the country near/at the top of the scale who has a role and workload that would command the same salary in the private sector.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying no CO is worth that money, because there are the ones who have to pick up the slack for the few loungers who'll never pull their weight, and end up doing 2 people's jobs. (Edited to include:) I also work in the civil service and I don't even know who's a CO or who isn't; there are certain people who are authorities on certain things because they give enough of a sh1t to know them - the system lets these people down in order to coddle the ones who just want a cushy number. That's the reality I see.

    But the fact is that situation wouldn't be allowed to persist in private business, or if it did the person doing all the work would get most/all of the pay.


  • #3681
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    a) it always was closed shop
    http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2010-04-28.1056.0
    I think that even one appointed from outside had a strong backround in civil service before)

    That only refers to TLAC positions. The very top level.


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  • #3682
    barneystinson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Dreamertime wrote: »
    I've never hidden the fact that €382 is my nett take home pay.

    Net pay is not a correct comparator - 2 people with identical salary can have very different net pay depending on their circumstances (including any number of voluntary deductions).

    Lets say I'm a single HEO on a salary of 50k. My net pay could be about the same as a CO working for me who is married with a stay at home spouse, and a disabled kid. Does that mean I'm not higher paid?


  • #3683
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    barneystinson wrote: »
    If you're a Clerical Officer in the civil service, the salary scale starts at 23,177 for people hired post-1995. That's €444 a week. Don't muddy the waters by talking about your net pay, which is what you must be doing unless you don't work a full week.


    You are both wrong.

    Current salary scale for clerical officers starts at €20,859 which translates into a weekly wage (divide by 52.18) of €399.75 before tax.


    Google Department of Public Expenditure and Reform Circular 18/2010 if you don't believe me - but that won't stop rubbish being posted on this thread like the above.


  • #3684
    Dreamertime
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 425 ✭✭Dreamertime


    barneystinson wrote: »
    Net pay is not a correct comparator - 2 people with identical salary can have very different net pay depending on their circumstances (including any number of voluntary deductions).

    Lets say I'm a single HEO on a salary of 50k. My net pay could be about the same as a CO working for me who is married with a stay at home spouse, and a disabled kid. Does that mean I'm not higher paid?

    Take home pay is the only game in my town I'm afraid. :)


  • #3685
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Count Dooku wrote: »
    a) it always was closed shop
    http://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2010-04-28.1056.0
    I think that even one appointed from outside had a strong backround in civil service before)
    b) even in 2005 it was at least 46 applicants for each position in civil service
    (46595 applied for 1012 positions, table 4 http://www.cpsa.ie/User_Uploads/en/CPSA_Report2006E.pdf)



    Your post contradicts yourself. How can you have 46,595 applicants for 1,012 positions if it is a closed shop??????

    Or in other words, you were not good enough.


  • #3686
    barneystinson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Godge wrote: »
    You are both wrong.

    Current salary scale for clerical officers starts at €20,859 which translates into a weekly wage (divide by 52.18) of €399.75 before tax.


    Google Department of Public Expenditure and Reform Circular 18/2010 if you don't believe me - but that won't stop rubbish being posted on this thread like the above.

    And how many CO's have been hired since 2010 Godge?

    I'm not posting rubbish - logic and basic arithmetic tell me that Dreamertime is a CO on the scale as per circular 28/2009 which the vast majority of the PS, myself included, are on.

    I accept your apology in advance :)

    Anyway, do you disagree that net pay is never the correct comparator, seeing as that's the point I was inferring?


  • #3687
    skafish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭skafish


    donegal11 wrote: »
    Is this not what they had done in CP2 but it was rejected. They only big losers in the deal where those over 65k in term's of basic pay. The rest of the savings were through additional hours and reorganisation. But if you have a handy number why would you vote for its terms to be changed. The only way to bring in true reform would be through redundancies and outsourcing of jobs. , which would stop the job for life mentality in the PS and in effect pass the whole managing performance/efficiency on to the service provider.


    As has been pointed out several times already, these proposals would have hit the whole PS, not just those on €65K plus.

    RTE were talking about the HSE on drivetime earlier. They made the point that because of cutbacks,, the amount of outsourced nursing has increased since the start of the year. And the extra costs involved are partially responsible for the budgetary overruns in the HSE at present.

    Generally, outsourced staff cost about 35% more than direct employed staff.


  • #3688
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    barneystinson wrote: »
    And how many CO's have been hired since 2010 Godge?

    I'm not posting rubbish - logic and basic arithmetic tell me that Dreamertime is a CO on the scale as per circular 28/2009 which the vast majority of the PS, myself included, are on.

    I accept your apology in advance :)

    Anyway, do you disagree that net pay is never the correct comparator, seeing as that's the point I was inferring?

    In principle I agree with you, the difficulty in comparing public with private is the fact that the public sector headline figure doesn't allow for the pay cut effect of the pension levy.


  • #3689
    Count Dooku
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    Godge wrote: »
    Your post contradicts yourself. How can you have 46,595 applicants for 1,012 positions if it is a closed shop??????

    Or in other words, you were not good enough.
    Closed shop doesnt mean that nobody can apply for it ;)


  • #3690
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    skafish wrote: »
    Generally, outsourced staff cost about 35% more than direct employed staff.

    So the future isn't outsourcing then.


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  • #3691
    barneystinson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Godge wrote: »
    In principle I agree with you, the difficulty in comparing public with private is the fact that the public sector headline figure doesn't allow for the pay cut effect of the pension levy.

    Nor does the headline figure allow for the DB pension that the public sector worker has, which the large majority of private sector workers don't have.

    Granted, on a CO salary the DB pension isn't hugely valuable, but then again neither is the pension levy liability. Swings and roundabouts really.


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