Season 3: Episode 3 * Have READ the books/SPOILERS

podgemonster · 15-04-2013 11:17AM #1

A nice progressing of the story lines so far. Plenty of welcomed humour from Pod, Bronn and Tyrion, Pod the lucky bástard. They are also showing the tension between Selmy and Jorah excellently, Jorah feels Selmy is stepping on his Turf on Selmy doesnt rate Jorahs honour.

They didnt seem to establish any tension in the Night Watch between Mormount and the men yet and that should errupt soon. Also an unexplained move for Melisandre to head from Dragonstone is off course for the books.

Best of all were Jaime and Brienne scenes, a weird relationship that is completely new to Jaime who only care for one woman and Brienne who initially despised him. The look on his face when Lock took off his hand is priceless, a hugh pause of shock before a blood curdling scream! Brilliant!

Finally Gary Lightbody from Snow Patrol singing the Bear and the Maiden Fair, a great little version too. Plus a member of Lockes guards he could well be a member of the Band at the RW. Nice touch!

Crucifix · 15-04-2013 12:26PM

The ****ing credits music, what the hell? Dramatic moment where Jaime gets his hand lopped off, then immediately cut into some up-beat rock music. I couldn't stop laughing.

Good episode though

15-04-2013 12:49PM

I am still waiting for the reveal that Dany has been able to understand the slaver the whole time :P

(they better not leave that out!

)

podgemonster · 15-04-2013 01:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am still waiting for the reveal that Dany has been able to understand the slaver the whole time :P

(they better not leave that out! )

They definetly won't you can see little flitches in her facial expression that she knows what that bald lad is saying.

The music at the end was messed up alright. I actuallythought some pop up had opened on my laptop.

15-04-2013 01:19PM

Do Jorah/Selmy know she can speak Valyrian (it is Valyrian right?) ? I can't remember!

Really want to reread Storm of Swords now!

Shazbot · 15-04-2013 02:07PM

A good episode with a decent pace. Still no sign of Beric which is a shame. I'm assuming the brotherhood are on their way to meet him now.

Dany's scene with the slaver was great. The tension between Selmy and Jorah is building nicely. It's good to see Dany put them in their place. She should make the purchase in the next episode (going by the trailer).

Deleted User wrote: »

I am still waiting for the reveal that Dany has been able to understand the slaver the whole time :P

It's reveal to the audience in this episode when she translates Valar Morghulis to Missandei but I'll become obvious to Kraznys when she yells 'dracarys' next week.

Jamie's reaction to the loss of his hand was fantastic but the music really ruined it. People were asking for the 'bear and the maiden fair' to be included last week. Well we finally get it from the Boltons which was great but then absolutely ruined it with a punk rock outro. It completely ruined the immersion.

Theon's story has been very rushed. I know they haven't said it but is the guy who let Theon go Ramsey? Taking him back now for more torture, complete the Reek story? If not then we're already at the end of ADWD for Theon.

15-04-2013 02:59PM

Shazbot wrote: »

A good episode with a decent pace. Still no sign of Beric which is a shame. I'm assuming the brotherhood are on their way to meet him now.

Dany's scene with the slaver was great. The tension between Selmy and Jorah is building nicely. It's good to see Dany put them in their place. She should make the purchase in the next episode (going by the trailer).

It's reveal to the audience in this episode when she translates Valar Morghulis to Missandei but I'll become obvious to Kraznys when she yells 'dracarys' next week.

Jamie's reaction to the loss of his hand was fantastic but the music really ruined it. People were asking for the 'bear and the maiden fair' to be included last week. Well we finally get it from the Boltons which was great but then absolutely ruined it with a punk rock outro. It completely ruined the immersion.

Theon's story has been very rushed. I know they haven't said it but is the guy who let Theon go Ramsey? Taking him back now for more torture, complete the Reek story? If not then we're already at the end of ADWD for Theon.

Would have felt more obvious if she talked entirely in Valyrian to Missandei; I can't remember if she does this in the book or not but I think she does? Lots of people in the story know what 'valar morghulis' means iirc.

titan18 · 15-04-2013 05:53PM

Ya, understanding Valar Morghulis is like nowadays knowing what Carpe Diem is. That's just Valryian that's crept into the common language and is something a lot would know.

Shazbot · 15-04-2013 06:03PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, understanding Valar Morghulis is like nowadays knowing what Carpe Diem is. That's just Valryian that's crept into the common language and is something a lot would know.

If I'm remembering the book correctly, when Dany says "all men must die" in response to Valar Morghulis, it's the reveal to Missandei that Dany understood everything Kraznys said.

It might not seem like a big reveal in the context of the show because it has been said to Arya. From Missandei and Kraznys point of view, they see 3 westerosi and would highly doubt they knew any Valyrian.

PhiloCypher · 15-04-2013 06:26PM

podgemonster wrote: »

A nice progressing of the story lines so far. Plenty of welcomed humour from Pod, Bronn and Tyrion, Pod the lucky bástard. They are also showing the tension between Selmy and Jorah excellently, Jorah feels Selmy is stepping on his Turf on Selmy doesnt rate Jorahs honour.

They didnt seem to establish any tension in the Night Watch between Mormount and the men yet and that should errupt soon. Also an unexplained move for Melisandre to head from Dragonstone is off course for the books.

Best of all were Jaime and Brienne scenes, a weird relationship that is completely new to Jaime who only care for one woman and Brienne who initially despised him. The look on his face when Lock took off his hand is priceless, a hugh pause of shock before a blood curdling scream! Brilliant!

Finally Gary Lightbody from Snow Patrol singing the Bear and the Maiden Fair, a great little version too. Plus a member of Lockes guards he could well be a member of the Band at the RW. Nice touch!

While there was no vocal dissension the way that guy creepily smiled up at one of Crasters girls , something he would have known not to do from before, suggests they have returned to his Keep somewhat more feral then before.

The highlights of the episode for me were the dressing down of Edmure by the blackfish and Rob (and in fact all the Riverrun scenes) , the small council game of non musical chairs , the prowess of Pod , the odd couple that is Jaime and Brienne , and the reveal as was pointed out that Daenarys understood what the slaver was saying the whole time. so yeh pretty much the entire episode.

15-04-2013 07:19PM

Really enjoyed that, but like most of you I was a bit shocked by the music at the end. All in all a good episode though. The parts with Bronn and Tyrion steal the show for me, they are both hilarious. I wonder will they cut Bronn out like the books we shall see. That has to be Ramsey who else could it be? Like what they mention in the books he loves hunting people down so I think that's the reference. Odd that he killed his own men though? They can do what they want with the Theon scenes really as we don't find anything out about them in the books we just know he had a pretty ****ty time! I'm looking forward to when he has to act like Reek should be weird to watch on screen.

The scene with Barristan and Jorah speaking were good the tension is building nicely I wonder how or when they will reveal it on the show but will be interesting. I'm pretty sure what Dany said to Missandei is supposed to reveal to the people only watching the show she understood him perfectly. As people mentioned before the only mention of that phrase in the books is what Ayra.

Next week is set up for a cracker can't wait already

username123 · 15-04-2013 08:06PM

Great episode!

A lot of highlights for me. Loved the comedy of Tyrion/Bronn/Podrick!

Jaime/Brienne - fantastic. Jaime really showing a better side of himself too and then <twhock> - what a great facial expression! I liked the Bear and the Maiden Fair music - I also like that Lockes people were singing it as they went along.

Bit confused where they are going with Theon? They seem to be changing that. Not clear yet that his saviour is Ramsay Snow.

I dont think the Dany reveal would have been picked up on by people who hadnt read the books - they have to make that clearer. My husband hasnt read them and didnt pick up on it. I am looking forward to the completion of that deal.

I liked the tension between Jorah and Selmy too.

Where is Melisandre going? Does anyone else think Stannis looks a lot different? Not just scruffier, like the actor has lost weight or something? He seems a lot weaker than he was.

Why did Arya ask the Hound if he remembered the last time he was at that inn?

podgemonster · 15-04-2013 08:12PM

username123 wrote: »

Why did Arya ask the Hound if he remembered the last time he was at that inn?

i would think its near where he rode down Mycah, her friend and sparing partner.

Shazbot · 15-04-2013 08:13PM

username123 wrote: »

Why did Arya ask the Hound if he remembered the last time he was at that inn?

I think it's because the last time they were there Nymeria attacked Joffrey and the Hound killed Mycah. Later, when Sandor is charged with murder by Beric, the only one they have evidence for is Mycah.

I look forward to seeing Beric now.

username123 · 15-04-2013 09:32PM

podgemonster wrote: »

i would think its near where he rode down Mycah, her friend and sparing partner.

Shazbot wrote: »

I think it's because the last time they were there Nymeria attacked Joffrey and the Hound killed Mycah. Later, when Sandor is charged with murder by Beric, the only one they have evidence for is Mycah.

I look forward to seeing Beric now.

Thanks guys, I'd forgotten where that was going.

Really appreciated the sheer size of The Hound seeing him among a group of ordinary sized men.

Cookiemunster · 15-04-2013 09:37PM

username123 wrote: »

Great episode!
Does anyone else think Stannis looks a lot different? Not just scruffier, like the actor has lost weight or something? He seems a lot weaker than he was.

When Davos first sees Stannis after Blackwater in the book it's stated that Stannis has lost weight and looks years older. So he should look like that.

podgemonster wrote: »

i would think its near where he rode down Mycah, her friend and sparing partner.

Shazbot wrote: »

I think it's because the last time they were there Nymeria attacked Joffrey and the Hound killed Mycah..

Correct. Its the Inn at the Crossroards.

Best episode so far. Really enjoyed it. Loved the Blackfish.
Still not happy that Sam hasn't slain the Other yet. Getting really worried that it's not going to happen. And why is Thormund going over the wall?

Medu · 15-04-2013 09:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am still waiting for the reveal that Dany has been able to understand the slaver the whole time :P

(they better not leave that out! )

Wasn't that implied with she replied to her new servant after she had said that 'All men must die' in Valyrian?

Cookiemunster · 15-04-2013 09:41PM

Shazbot wrote: »

If I'm remembering the book correctly, when Dany says "all men must die" in response to Valar Morghulis, it's the reveal to Missandei that Dany understood everything Kraznys said.

It might not seem like a big reveal in the context of the show because it has been said to Arya. From Missandei and Kraznys point of view, they see 3 westerosi and would highly doubt they knew any Valyrian.

Did the dying slave speak to her in the common tongue or Valaryan? I couldn't make it out but surely a normal slave in Astapor wouldn't know the commom tongue.

Duckworth_Luas · 15-04-2013 09:42PM

username123 wrote: »

Where is Melisandre going?

Melisandre is obviously on her way to Westeros to seek out someone who carries kings blood.

One such person is Gendry, Robert Baratheon's son, who looks like he's taking over Edric Storm's role in the books.

Funnily enough, I watched seasons 1 & 2 before reading the books. One TV scene that always struck me as odd was when Cersei told Catylen Stark about her "beautiful black haired boy"

He can't be? :eek:

madrab · 15-04-2013 10:16PM

yeah she must be after an Edric Storm style character, but gendry is the only one they have left in the show & doesnt really do anything after meeting up with dondarion

Sleepy · 15-04-2013 10:18PM

username123 wrote: »

Bit confused where they are going with Theon? They seem to be changing that. Not clear yet that his saviour is Ramsay Snow.

The last guy he killed called him a bastard.

Subtle but there for those of us who know where it's going and any of the more astute watchers to figure out. Also shows Ramsey up for the sociopath he is. Very nicely done imo.

Deano7788 · 15-04-2013 10:43PM

Loved the episode, favourite so far this season. The best scenes were again Tyrion and Bronn (and Podrick, what a legend!) and Jaime and Brienne. Loved the way the the last scene was done.

Regarding Daenerys, I think there were a few strong hints that she could understand Valyrian; understanding the dying slave's words, her facial movements during the bargaining and then Valar Morghulis.

I think that was definitely Ramsay with Theon. I think they chose the guy he shot's last words very carefully.

Sleepy · 15-04-2013 10:44PM

I'll be a bit disappointed if Gendry and Edric Storm are merged. I've always assumed he's going to reappear at some point around the time that Arya and Nymeria are re-united.

TBH, I've always assumed she'll end up marrying him.

Tigger · 15-04-2013 10:47PM

Sleepy wrote: »

The last guy he killed called him a bastard.

Subtle but there for those of us who know where it's going and any of the more astute watchers to figure out. Also shows Ramsey up for the sociopath he is. Very nicely done imo.

You had me at bastard

Kzamll1992 · 15-04-2013 10:50PM

very good episode! I echo the thoughts that it's the best episode of the season!!

Did anyone else find the last scene weird!?? well... the way that it goes from Jaime's Agony to the almost uplifting "Bear and the Maiden Fair"

Also what did you think of the guy from Snow Patrol's cameo! thought it was a nice touch myself!!

Love this show!

Mr.Prodston · 15-04-2013 11:12PM

Aside from Mel going walkabout I thought it was the best episode of the whole series so far. Consistently strong and generally hilarious throughout!

Podrick is one of my favourite smaller characters so this little write in was a brilliant touch. I have a feeling himself and Bronn will provide a lot of laughs this season.

The meeting with Tywin was brilliantly awkward too with Tyrion's no sh!t giving.

Of course Theon's saviour is Ramsay, I didn't even pick up on the "Bastard" remark but this reeks (excuse the pun

) of Ramsay's games we hear about. Another interesting plot.

Locke has a slight lisp, nothing like Vargo Hoat's would have been from the books but that scene was brilliant. Got quite a surprise with the music too before realising what song it was. Brilliant episode!

15-04-2013 11:21PM

Does anyone else find Stannis's romantic/sexual attraction to Melisandre a bit out of character to how he's portrayed in the books? I couldn't tell if it was genuine physical attraction or desperation to make another shadow baby that was meant to be conveyed, but in the books he always was described as mostly asexual, only engaging in it out of necessity/duty (to make an heir/shadow baby). I just find how strongly he's coming on to her in the show to conflict with my perception of Stannis!

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 16-04-2013 12:17AM

That was fantastic.
Brilliantly done... Everything moving along nicely...
Favourite scenes had to be the small council meeting and Pod returning with the bag of gold. Actually all the scenes were great, and great moment to end on...
Love The Bear and Maiden Fair - been waiting for that...
Thought the guy who played Edmure was perfectly cast - exactly as I had imagined him from the books...

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 16-04-2013 12:30AM

Reading the "Have NOT Read the Books" threads always make me laugh...

It takes all my power not to throw in a "You Know Nothing Jon Snow" as a reply...

KJY · 16-04-2013 01:07AM

Great Ep I must say, pretty loyal for the most part and all the deviations are very understandable, bar Stannis becoming slightly too affectionate for Mel. Can't really fault the rest of it. I thought the opening scene was fantastic, as well as the council, all of the Brotherhood, Hot Pie, Pod.....everything really

thehairyone · 16-04-2013 01:08AM

Best episode of the series so far.

Agree with everyone else regarding the highlights.

Bit confused as to why Locke cut off jaimes hand.

Are we to take it that Roose Bolton hasnt switched sides yet or is it that Locke isnt in the know and just took it off for the craic.

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