Another victim of violent Republicanism...

Death and Taxes · 14-04-2013 08:28AM

Norwesterner wrote: »

You said they were only interested in "self gain".
I stated if they were interested in self gain they'd have stayed on message with Adams. Thats were the money, grants, funds, jobs-for-the-boys are.
Getting involved in dissident (sic) Republicanism is probably the worst move for anyone interested in self gain.
You'll get only harassment, house raids, discrimination, marginalisation, arrests and probably be forced from employment (if you have a job).
Most likely your friends and family will suffer the same.
There's no self gain in traditional Republicanism.

Yea, the Diesel laundering, protection rackets, and drug deal levies are all done for purely altrustic motives.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-04-2013 09:34AM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Yea, the Diesel laundering, protection rackets, and drug deal ,levies are all done for purely altrustic motives.

It's like being 'made', permission to feed at the top end of the rackets.

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 05:47PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Yea, the Diesel laundering, protection rackets, and drug deal levies are all done for purely altrustic motives.

So why haven't CAB investigated a single dissident Republican in over 20 years?
Why did the British say the RIRA leadership were personally penniless, when they (the State) won the Omagh Civil Case?

As for drug-deal levies, the only organisation that taxes drug dealers in return for clemency is CAB.

johnny97 · 14-04-2013 07:37PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

So why haven't CAB investigated a single dissident Republican in over 20 years?
Why did the British say the RIRA leadership were personally penniless, when they (the State) won the Omagh Civil Case?

As for drug-deal levies, the only organisation that taxes drug dealers in return for clemency is CAB.

My god stop you will have me crying in a minute to think that the poor rira leadership are penniless. You are really messed up man the rira are nicely called dissidents but what they are is criminals, and i dont ever remember the british making any such statement. CAB have not investigated a dissident in over 20 years, well all i can say is you are caught in the same time warp that the rira are. What about the late alan ryan do you think CAB were not on to him. And what you say about the omagh civil case well i am not even going there.

.jacksparrow. · 14-04-2013 08:00PM

johnny97 wrote: »

My god stop you will have me crying in a minute to think that the poor rira leadership are penniless. You are really messed up man the rira are nicely called dissidents but what they are is criminals, and i dont ever remember the british making any such statement. CAB have not investigated a dissident in over 20 years, well all i can say is you are caught in the same time warp that the rira are. What about the late alan ryan do you think CAB were not on to him. And what you say about the omagh civil case well i am not even going there.

you really come out with some facts,with nothing to back it up.

Seachmall · 14-04-2013 08:24PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

As for drug-deal levies, the only organisation that taxes drug dealers in return for clemency is CAB.

Have you already forgotten

We believe that [RIRA] members robbed a public house in March and that they have obtained protection money from local drug dealers

- Twelfth Report of the Independent Monitoring Commission

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 08:48PM

johnny97 wrote: »

My god stop you will have me crying in a minute to think that the poor rira leadership are penniless. You are really messed up man the rira are nicely called dissidents but what they are is criminals, and i dont ever remember the british making any such statement. CAB have not investigated a dissident in over 20 years, well all i can say is you are caught in the same time warp that the rira are. What about the late alan ryan do you think CAB were not on to him. And what you say about the omagh civil case well i am not even going there.

I didn't say the alleged RIRA leadership were penniless.
A 30 million pounds investigation launched and financed by the British State came to that conclusion.
That they were personally broke.
They even got legal aid.

And no. CAB were not investigating Alan Ryan.
Wishing it so, doesn't make it so.
I do know Alan Ryan was being badgered by his kids school, as he was unable to pay the fees on time.
Does that sound like someone raking in millions?

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 08:52PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Have you already forgotten

- Twelfth Report of the Independent Monitoring Commission

No charges, no evidence, no convictions....relying on tittle tattle from some pretty obvious vested interests.
Bet you swallowed up WMD and Jessica Lynch as well.

Seachmall · 14-04-2013 09:08PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

No charges, no evidence, no convictions....relying on tittle tattle from some pretty obvious vested interests.
Bet you swallowed up WMD and Jessica Lynch as well.

Hold on now, a report from the IMC was your criteria, remember?

Norwesterner wrote: »

For the Internation Monitoring Commission (which incorporates MI5, Garda intel, CIA and Interpol) have never alleged Republicans of drug dealing.

Norwesterner wrote: »

To appease Unionists, the British set up the International Monitoring Commision (with intel from ALL the foreign and domestic spy agencies) to deliver annual reports on "paramilitary" groups.
Show me one report that states Republicans are dealing in drugs or profiteering from drugs.

Now that I've satisfied your criteria and shown you to be wrong they've become 'vested interests'?

Hmmmm, sounds reasonable...

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 09:20PM

They haven't alleged drug dealing.
Come back when you've actual evidence of taxing dealers.
Maybe you're thinking of CAB.

Seachmall · 14-04-2013 09:30PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

They haven't alleged drug dealing.

C'mon, we've already been over this.

The [INLA] is heavily involved in criminality, especially drugs

-Source

CIRA members continue to be involved in a large range of other serious criminal activity, including drug dealing

- Source

[INLA] remained involved in organised crime, including drugs

- Source

Come back when you've actual evidence of taxing dealers.

Eh, I've already got it. Don't stop moving the goal posts on my account though.

johnny97 · 14-04-2013 09:31PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

you really come out with some facts,with nothing to back it up.

Oh your back my old sparring partner, as it happens i can back up anything i say. Can you just tell me what your views are on dissidents ? . and why you keep telling me i have no facts and can back nothing up.

johnny97 · 14-04-2013 09:44PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

I didn't say the alleged RIRA leadership were penniless.
A 30 million pounds investigation launched and financed by the British State came to that conclusion.
That they were personally broke.
They even got legal aid.

And no. CAB were not investigating Alan Ryan.
Wishing it so, doesn't make it so.
I do know Alan Ryan was being badgered by his kids school, as he was unable to pay the fees on time.
Does that sound like someone raking in millions?

Off course they got legal aid all criminals do, as regards alan ryan being badgered by his kids school oh come on dont make me laugh.

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 09:51PM

Why would people interested in self gain help destroy hundreds of thousands of pounds in drugs.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86030
And another case. Verified by reputable source. 50k worth destroyed by men living in sink estates.
http://www.republicanunity.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/RNU-dismantle-drug-gang-dispose-of-Heroin-and-Chrystle-meth.-April-20111.pdf

And why would they exile 200 dealers if they were interested in and making money from "taxing" them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144058/Beatings-shootings-Republican-vigilantes-force-hundreds-young-men-Britain-s-new-City-Culture.html

Try squaring that circle.

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 09:52PM

johnny97 wrote: »

Off course they got legal aid all criminals do, as regards alan ryan being badgered by his kids school oh come on dont make me laugh.

The Sunday Independent made the school fees allegation, take it up with them.

Seachmall · 14-04-2013 09:59PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Try squaring that circle.

Yeah, why would anybody involved in drug dealing target other drug dealers?

Hmmm, let me think that one over...

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 10:00PM

The people bringing in drugs to Ireland are invariable FG/FF voters, live in affluent areas, are members of the Rotary Club or local golf club, own private yachts on the Med, are seen in local papers as respectable businessmen whose kids attend the best private schools.

Or they are members of the immigrant community bringing in drugs from Nigeria, Eastern Europe, China or whereever.

As these two communities are protected species by the P.C media, it's easier to blame Republicans for the whole shebang.
After all, they're unlikely to sue for libel and are everyone's bogeyman..

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 10:03PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Yeah, why would anybody involved in drug dealing target other drug dealers?

Hmmm, let me think that one over...

Come on. do keep up.
We were told they aren't involved in drug dealing, when I asked why wasn't one joint found in the 10'000 stop and searches of Republicans in my home town.
We were told, that was because they "tax" dealers and don't touch it themselves.
Now we're being told they don't tax, but rather exile dealers so they can deal themselves.

A good liar needs a good memory.

Fact is not a single drug dealer has mentioned being asked to pay bribes in order to deal.
They've been exiled or shot.
Only CAB makes sweetener deals with drug dealers.

So make your allegation.
Do they deal in drugs or tax those who deal in drugs?
Make it stick this time.

Seachmall · 14-04-2013 10:09PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Come on. do keep up.
We were told they aren't involved in drug dealing, when I asked why wasn't one joint found in the 10'000 stop and searches of Republicans in my home town.
We were told, that was because they "tax" dealers and don't touch it themselves.
Now we're being told they don't tax, but rather exile dealers so they can deal themselves.

Come on. Do keep up.
You claimed they weren't involved in drugs.
I linked to a case where they hired a drug trafficker to move cocaine.
You claimed MI5 had an agenda against them and that the IMC never accused them of extorting dealers.
I linked to a report that showed otherwise.
You claimed the IMC never accused them of drug dealing.
I linked to multiple reports that showed otherwise.
You now claim the IMC is a 'vested interest'.

A good liar needs a good memory.

As does a fool.

johnny97 · 14-04-2013 10:13PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

The people bringing in drugs to Ireland are invariable FG/FF voters, live in affluent areas, are members of the Rotary Club or local golf club, own private yachts on the Med, are seen in local papers as respectable businessmen whose kids attend the best private schools.

Or they are member of the immigrant community bringing in drugs from Nigeria, Eastern Europe, China or whereever.

As these two communities are protected species by the P.C media, it's easier to blame Republicans for the whole shebang.
After all, they're unlikely to sue for libel and are everyone's bogeyman..

Wow i agree with you on the first part, but dont label rira or cira as republicans, they are not. Bogeymen yes because they have not moved with the times, and they cant sue because what is being reported is the truth, in most cases not all.

.jacksparrow. · 14-04-2013 10:23PM

johnny97 wrote: »

Oh your back my old sparring partner, as it happens i can back up anything i say. Can you just tell me what your views are on dissidents ? . and why you keep telling me i have no facts and can back nothing up.

Well you can start by telling me your source that CAB where investigating Alan Ryan.

Death and Taxes · 14-04-2013 10:31PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

The people bringing in drugs to Ireland are invariable FG/FF voters, live in affluent areas, are members of the Rotary Club or local golf club, own private yachts on the Med, are seen in local papers as respectable businessmen whose kids attend the best private schools.

Or they are members of the immigrant community bringing in drugs from Nigeria, Eastern Europe, China or whereever.

As these two communities are protected species by the P.C media, it's easier to blame Republicans for the whole shebang.
After all, they're unlikely to sue for libel and are everyone's bogeyman..

the nearest I have ever seen to that post was floating on the top of a septic tank. Blaming immigrants for the criminal conspiracy that masquerdes as the RIRA/CIRA/Alan "The ****head" Ryan, Tom Mac Feely etc, disgusting!
Lets face it you have just proved that not only are these criminal gangs deluded to the extreme(obviously snorting too much of their own mecrchanidise) there followers are are also a bunch of knuckledragging racist hooligans, ironic that they have so much in common with the BNP "blame Johnny Forigener brigade"!
What good little National Socialists.(Nazis)

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 10:47PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Come on. Do keep up.
You claimed they weren't involved in drugs.
I linked to a case where they hired a drug trafficker to move cocaine.
You claimed MI5 had an agenda against them and that the IMC never accused them of extorting dealers.
I linked to a report that showed otherwise.
You claimed the IMC never accused them of drug dealing.
I linked to multiple reports that showed otherwise.
You now claim the IMC is a 'vested interest'.

As does a fool.

You posted a link by the British Telegraph, I believe of a drug dealer hired by PIRA.
In the exact same link you posted the drug dealer said, "The IRA have nothing to do with drugs and wouldn't be seen near them" Or words thereabout.
I'm no fan of the Provisionals but even I would defend their track record on drugs. They are virulently anti drugs as are the current IRA's.

Where's the seizures?
Where's the arrests?
Where's the Republicans with gaffs in the private yachts and jets?

These are drug dealers. (K Club, private schools, expensive clothes)
http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/index.php?aid=15042

These are dissident Republicans. (Creggan Estate, cheap jeans, no job prospects)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rHvC9Qm1uI

johnny97 · 14-04-2013 10:51PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well you can start by telling me your source that CAB where investigating Alan Ryan.

I said that CAB were probably on to alan ryan because of his criminal activity, plese read what i said and in what context it was said. You still have not answered my question.

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 10:53PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

the nearest I have ever seen to that post was floating on the top of a septic tank. Blaming immigrants for the criminal conspiracy that masquerdes as the RIRA/CIRA/Alan "The ****head" Ryan, Tom Mac Feely etc, disgusting!
Lets face it you have just proved that not only are these criminal gangs deluded to the extreme(obviously snorting too much of their own mecrchanidise) there followers are are also a bunch of knuckledragging racist hooligans, ironic that they have so much in common with the BNP "blame Johnny Forigener brigade"!
What good little National Socialists.(Nazis)

Most of the big recent seizures in my area were from Chinese and Vietnamese drug gangs.
Shuuuush. It''s racist to point this out.
"Vietnamese gangs are prominent in the indoor cultivation of drugs"
Garda Commisioner Callinan
"Foreign gangs HIGHLY active in Ireland" Garda report.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/icrime/foreign-gangs-highly-active-here-says-report-153487.html

Not a single Republican, North or South is in jail for drug related offences.
Gardai or Defence Forces can't even boast that.

and where does Tom Mc Feely come into this?

.jacksparrow. · 14-04-2013 10:55PM

johnny97 wrote: »

I said that CAB were probably on to alan ryan because of his criminal activity, plese read what i said and in what context it was said. You still have not answered my question.

I don't think the time is right or conditions for armed struggle,that's my view and that's my answer.

Oh so its ok to write you probably believe something,then say you have no credible evidence to believe it,that's a dangerous road to go down.Innocent until proven guilty doesn't ring well with you I see.

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 10:55PM

johnny97 wrote: »

I said that CAB were probably on to alan ryan because of his criminal activity, plese read what i said and in what context it was said. You still have not answered my question.

"nudge-nudge...probably...wink-wink...onto Alan Ryan."
Guess what. They weren't.
He had zero assets.

joe swanson · 14-04-2013 11:13PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Why would people interested in self gain help destroy hundreds of thousands of pounds in drugs.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86030
And another case. Verified by reputable source. 50k worth destroyed by men living in sink estates.
http://www.republicanunity.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/RNU-dismantle-drug-gang-dispose-of-Heroin-and-Chrystle-meth.-April-20111.pdf

And why would they exile 200 dealers if they were interested in and making money from "taxing" them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144058/Beatings-shootings-Republican-vigilantes-force-hundreds-young-men-Britain-s-new-City-Culture.html

Try squaring that circle.

Some really reputable publications quoted there. ;-)

johnny97 · 14-04-2013 11:41PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I don't think the time is right or conditions for armed struggle,that's my view and that's my answer.

Oh so its ok to write you probably believe something,then say you have no credible evidence to believe it,that's a dangerous road to go down.Innocent until proven guilty doesn't ring well with you I see.

This is like double dutch what the hell are you talking about, " i dont think the time is right or conditions for armed struggle " are you winding me up. What does that mean. And when did i say i have no credible evidence. ????

.jacksparrow. · 15-04-2013 12:02AM

johnny97 wrote: »

I said that CAB were probably on to alan ryan because of his criminal activity, plese read what i said and in what context it was said. You still have not answered my question.

You said it right there when you said probably,which means you have no credible evidence.

Everytime you're asked to provide a link or source you just sidestep the question,this conversation is going nowhere

Another victim of violent Republicanism...

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