Another victim of violent Republicanism...

Fratton Fred · 12-04-2013 05:37PM

GRMA wrote: »

So there was not decades of anti republican propaganda and censorship? With both of those how were republicans supposed to get across their message and for people to get an accurate impression of them?

I know Gallag's comment was a sweeping generalisation, but it does have merit.

The republican movement became a byword for terrorism. You can argue as much as you like about whether or not it was justified, or if all those deaths were irresponsible accidents, but that is what happened and the sensationalist media could quite easily pigeonhole the whole ideology as violence.

I'm happy to admit that in England we didn't get the full picture, but all we could see was bombs and chaos. To us it was just a ****ed up place with two sets of people killing each other, only one side was also trying to kill us.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 12-04-2013 05:53PM

When you look back at it the bombing campaign in Britain was a massive PR disaster for Republicanism. It turned sympathetic people in the south against the cause.

Imo the ideal is dead in the water in 2013, southerners are indifferent to the North and unification is not feasible anytime soon. You could make an argument that it's not wanted by the majority on the island of Ireland either.

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 05:55PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I know Gallag's comment was a sweeping generalisation, but it does have merit.

The republican movement became a byword for terrorism. You can argue as much as you like about whether or not it was justified, or if all those deaths were irresponsible accidents, but that is what happened and the sensationalist media could quite easily pigeonhole the whole ideology as violence.

I'm happy to admit that in England we didn't get the full picture, but all we could see was bombs and chaos. To us it was just a ****ed up place with two sets of people killing each other, only one side was also trying to kill us.

Yes i agree it is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier, republican and terrorist were linked. But republicanism was hijacked by the terrorists. When i said real republicans i meant patriotic people like me. Remember fianna fail were once fianna fail the republican party.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-04-2013 06:01PM

johnny97 wrote: »

The likes of her and her criminal gang that call themselves republicans give real republicans a bad name. Shooting an innocent irishman dead for the irish cause ? What an idiot

That's the bit I don't get.

Well I do actually it's just them being hypocrites.

Fratton Fred · 12-04-2013 06:10PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

That's the bit I don't get.

Well I do actually it's just them being hypocrites.

Delusional Walter Mitties I would have said.

Chuck Stone · 12-04-2013 06:20PM

studiorat wrote: »

If it walks like a duck.

And quacks like a duck.

It's Donald Duck?

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 06:40PM

We have long moved on from the dark old days, the IRA have laid down their weapons sinn fein are getting stronger as a democratic party. The dissidents that are keeping this going are only doing this for their own gain, protection rackets drug dealing etc.

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 06:53PM

johnny97 wrote: »

We have long moved on from the dark old days, the IRA have laid down their weapons sinn fein are getting stronger as a democratic party. The dissidents that are keeping this going are only doing this for their own gain, protection rackets drug dealing etc.

But you see this is just not true,there is groups who still clearly believe in the armed struggle,and believe it is justified to end occupation.

These groups have killed soldiers police officers prison gards in the last few years,so your naive generalisation seems a bit ridiculous.

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 07:20PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

But you see this is just not true,there is groups who still clearly believe in the armed struggle,and believe it is justified to end occupation.

These groups have killed soldiers police officers prison gards in the last few years,so your naive generalisation seems a bit ridiculous.

I think it is true can you tell me what groups you mean who believe in the armed struggle to end occupation ? . Because the groups that are killing police officers prison guards and soldiers are the very groups i am talking about, CIRA RIRA etc.

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 07:39PM

johnny97 wrote: »

I think it is true can you tell me what groups you mean who believe in the armed struggle to end occupation ? . Because the groups that are killing police officers prison guards and soldiers are the very groups i am talking about, CIRA RIRA etc.

Onh and raad are two groups who are carrying out these acts,and raad have booted out 100 people in Derry due to drug dealing.

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 07:54PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Onh and raad are two groups who are carrying out these acts,and raad have booted out 100 people in Derry due to drug dealing.

the RIRA and CIRA claim to be onh, I have never heard of raad so i cant comment on them. But if the provos could decommision their weapons and sinn fein their political wing could choose the ballot box instead of the armilite as the way forward, the dissidents must see their efforts are futile. They have only one goal their own self gain.

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 08:20PM

johnny97 wrote: »

the RIRA and CIRA claim to be onh, I have never heard of raad so i cant comment on them. But if the provos could decommision their weapons and sinn fein their political wing could choose the ballot box instead of the armilite as the way forward, the dissidents must see their efforts are futile. They have only one goal their own self gain.

Seriously you're wrong again,you're making up facts to suit your argument,come back when you have done a simple google search at least.

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 08:53PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Seriously you're wrong again,you're making up facts to suit your argument,come back when you have done a simple google search at least.

Believe me if there is one thing i know it is republicanism. I know my history i read very little else. Just tell me what you think i am wrong about, and what are the facts i am making up to suit my argument i am confused about that.

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 09:00PM

glaigh na hÉireann (often abbreviated as ONH) is the title taken by a small dissident Irish republican paramilitary that formed in 2009 as a faction within the Real Irish Republican Army,[1] although it claims to be independent of the Real IRA. To distinguish it from a Continuity IRA splinter group of the same name, it is sometimes referred to as Real IRA/ONH.[1]

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 09:00PM

johnny97 wrote: »

Believe me if there is one thing i know it is republicanism. I know my history i read very little else. Just tell me what you think i am wrong about, and what are the facts i am making up to suit my argument i am confused about that.

Well pira are not onh,that's the first thing you are wrong about.

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 09:03PM

johnny97 wrote: »

glaigh na hÉireann (often abbreviated as ONH) is the title taken by a small dissident Irish republican paramilitary that formed in 2009 as a faction within the Real Irish Republican Army,[1] although it claims to be independent of the Real IRA. To distinguish it from a Continuity IRA splinter group of the same name, it is sometimes referred to as Real IRA/ONH.[1]

Independent from rira!you have said it yourself!!

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 09:10PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Well pira are not onh,that's the first thing you are wrong about.

I never said pira were onh. Do you actually know what onh is ? And as for raad here is a little profile on your heros

, and Letterkenny and Inishowen in the Republic of Ireland. It targets those who it claims are drug dealers.[1] The group's methods include "punishment shootings" (which often involves kneecapping); pipe bomb or arson attacks on the property of alleged dealers; and warning, threatening or banishing the alleged dealers.[2] It has claimed responsibility for shooting dead one man and has vowed to "execute" a further five.
On 26 July 2012, it was announced that RAAD was merging with the Real Irish Republican Army, other independent republican paramilitary groups and some former members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (but, notably, not with the Continuity Irish Republican Army) into a unified formation known simply as the "Irish Republican Army", and that RAAD would subsequently cease to exist as a separate entity.[3][4]

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 09:42PM

johnny97 wrote: »

I never said pira were onh. Do you actually know what onh is ? And as for raad here is a little profile on your heros

, and Letterkenny and Inishowen in the Republic of Ireland. It targets those who it claims are drug dealers.[1] The group's methods include "punishment shootings" (which often involves kneecapping); pipe bomb or arson attacks on the property of alleged dealers; and warning, threatening or banishing the alleged dealers.[2] It has claimed responsibility for shooting dead one man and has vowed to "execute" a further five.
On 26 July 2012, it was announced that RAAD was merging with the Real Irish Republican Army, other independent republican paramilitary groups and some former members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (but, notably, not with the Continuity Irish Republican Army) into a unified formation known simply as the "Irish Republican Army", and that RAAD would subsequently cease to exist as a separate entity.[3][4]

Heroes?see once again you're wrong,if you look back on my posts I have never once said these are heroes,I was just trying to point out your misinformation about these groups.

Adios my friend.

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 09:56PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Heroes?see once again you're wrong,if you look back on my posts I have never once said these are heroes,I was just trying to point out your misinformation about these groups.

Adios my friend.

Misinformation i think you are the one who is misinformed my friend. You were saying only a very short time ago how raad had thrown out 100 drug dealers. And how they were one of the groups fighting for a united ireland. So i think if anyone is misinformed about these groups it is you my very confusing friend.

Adios

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 10:33PM

johnny97 wrote: »

Misinformation i think you are the one who is misinformed my friend. You were saying only a very short time ago how raad had thrown out 100 drug dealers. And how they were one of the groups fighting for a united ireland. So i think if anyone is misinformed about these groups it is you my very confusing friend.

Adios

Did I mention heroes once,did I say they were great?no...

Adios?..

johnny97 · 12-04-2013 11:04PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Did I mention heroes once,did I say they were great?no...

Adios?..

No but you have me confused i dont know if you are defending these groups or not. I dont even think you know yourself, anyway sleep well my friend.

.jacksparrow. · 12-04-2013 11:15PM

johnny97 wrote: »

No but you have me confused i dont know if you are defending these groups or not. I dont even think you know yourself, anyway sleep well my friend.

But you have made numerous claims and accusations which I have proven to be false??I don't know what else you want me to do.

No sleep for the wicked,the late late is on!

johnny97 · 13-04-2013 12:07AM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

But you have made numerous claims and accusations which I have proven to be false??I don't know what else you want me to do.

No sleep for the wicked,the late late is on!

I have made no accusations and you have proven nothing to be false, if anyone was making accusations it was you saying i had my facts wrong and had no idea what i was talking about. I know what i am talking about i have a degree in irish history, i am just not sure where you are coming from.

.jacksparrow. · 13-04-2013 01:43AM

johnny97 wrote: »

I have made no accusations and you have proven nothing to be false, if anyone was making accusations it was you saying i had my facts wrong and had no idea what i was talking about. I know what i am talking about i have a degree in irish history, i am just not sure where you are coming from.

A degree in Irish history!!!

Ah sure nothing to see here so!

Norwesterner · 13-04-2013 02:18AM

johnny97 wrote: »

We have long moved on from the dark old days, the IRA have laid down their weapons sinn fein are getting stronger as a democratic party. The dissidents that are keeping this going are only doing this for their own gain, protection rackets drug dealing etc.

Absolute rubbish.
10'000 stop and search operations against "dissidents" in Derry in 2 years and not as much as a joint found.
If they were interested in self gain, they'd have stayed with the Provisionals.
Thats where the money is. Richest party in Western Europe.
Most of the leadership with property portfolios. State turns a blind eye to their scams.
Almost all dissident supporters in my town, live in council estates and can't get work as E.U funded community jobs go almost entirely to pro GFA supporters and anyone who criticises SF is blacklisted. They're at the bottom of the social heap.

Thats 40 years after the Civil Rights marches in the same town.

getzls · 13-04-2013 05:51AM

realies wrote: »

:oHave to be honest here I have voted for them on more than one occasion & would consider my self Republican. and I also don't get why Republican killings/murders get more publicity/outrage than any other others including loyalist.

Because Republicans do more murders.

Anyway, can you name many recent Loyalists murders?

getzls · 13-04-2013 05:59AM

johnny97 wrote: »

We have long moved on from the dark old days, the IRA have laid down their weapons sinn fein are getting stronger as a democratic party. The dissidents that are keeping this going are only doing this for their own gain, protection rackets drug dealing etc.

Sadly disso groups have picked up some of the Provos weapons along side with some of the ex P.I.R.A. members.

johnny97 · 13-04-2013 08:46PM

Norwesterner wrote: »

Absolute rubbish.
10'000 stop and search operations against "dissidents" in Derry in 2 years and not as much as a joint found.
If they were interested in self gain, they'd have stayed with the Provisionals.
Thats where the money is. Richest party in Western Europe.
Most of the leadership with property portfolios. State turns a blind eye to their scams.
Almost all dissident supporters in my town, live in council estates and can't get work as E.U funded community jobs go almost entirely to pro GFA supporters and anyone who criticises SF is blacklisted. They're at the bottom of the social heap.

Thats 40 years after the Civil Rights marches in the same town.

Well talk about absolute rubbish. Of course there was not as much as a joint found they dont carry them, they just take the money from those who do. And the reason they did not stay with the provisionals is because the provisionals are gone. As regards dissident supporters living in council estates and unable to get work ???? is all i can say dont know exactly what that is all about.

johnny97 · 13-04-2013 08:49PM

getzls wrote: »

Sadly disso groups have picked up some of the Provos weapons along side with some of the ex P.I.R.A. members.

Deffo no doubt about that

Norwesterner · 14-04-2013 02:26AM

johnny97 wrote: »

Well talk about absolute rubbish. Of course there was not as much as a joint found they dont carry them, they just take the money from those who do. And the reason they did not stay with the provisionals is because the provisionals are gone. As regards dissident supporters living in council estates and unable to get work ???? is all i can say dont know exactly what that is all about.

You said they were only interested in "self gain".
I stated if they were interested in self gain they'd have stayed on message with Adams. Thats were the money, grants, funds, jobs-for-the-boys are.
Getting involved in dissident (sic) Republicanism is probably the worst move for anyone interested in self gain.
You'll get only harassment, house raids, discrimination, marginalisation, arrests and probably be forced from employment (if you have a job).
Most likely your friends and family will suffer the same.
There's no self gain in traditional Republicanism.

Another victim of violent Republicanism...

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