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Another victim of violent Republicanism...

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  • #242
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    johnny97 wrote: »
    Educate yourself before posting a stupid quote like that.


    Why don't you educate us all as to what a 'real rebublican' is?



    I could do with a laugh.


  • #243
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Frank Black wrote: »
    Why don't you educate us all as to what a 'real rebublican' is?



    I could do with a laugh.

    Reminds me of Monty Python. Peoples Front of Judea?? SPLITTERS!!!


  • #244
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    johnny97 wrote: »
    Educate yourself before posting a stupid quote like that.

    I'd suggest you educate yourself with the charter if you want to remain posting here.


  • #245
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep, I'm a bad person for pointing out that using one aspect of a religion, nationality or states activities or past to justify a blanket xenophobia is "thick", racist, sectarian etc.

    As a rough percentage, what proportion of the "Republican movement" in Ireland would actually agree in practice with that.

    There are xenophobic dregs in your movement that use it as an excuse for hatred, I'm sure you'll agree.

    The question is, without that xenophobia, how popular would Irish republicanism actually be?


  • #246
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    I dont agree with American foreign policy, wars etc, does that mean I should shun all types of American culture? Should I stop watching shows like South Park, Mentalist etc? Should I burn my Bruce Springsteen cds/records/books etc? Should I stop watching NFL?


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  • #247
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    studiorat wrote: »
    If it walks like a duck.



    And quacks like a duck.

    Its a piece of ignorant filth?


  • #248
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    GRMA wrote: »
    Should I burn my Bruce Springsteen cds/records/books etc?

    Err, yes to that one!


  • #249
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    As a rough percentage, what proportion of the "Republican movement" in Ireland would actually agree in practice with that.?

    Anyone I'd associate with. I'ds imagine the overwhelming majority.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    There are xenophobic dregs in your movement that use it as an excuse for hatred, I'm sure you'll agree.?

    Theres xenophobic dregs who claim to be Republicans and probably a tiny minority who understand and can spell the word, yes. Theres also some corrupt Gardai, dodgy judges and people who can't drive on the roads out there, even as we speak.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    The question is, without that xenophobia, how popular would Irish republicanism actually be?


    ...and again, back to that nonsense.


  • #250
    johnny97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭johnny97


    Frank Black wrote: »
    Why don't you educate us all as to what a 'real rebublican' is?



    I could do with a laugh.
    Its not a laugh you could do with. Its a lesson on how to spell first of all. If you think you are going to drag me into a slagging match over this you are wrong. I gave a view about her and what she did. There are people who have republican views but are not members of illegal organisations like she is. Read up on your history and you might learn something, in other words educate yourself.


  • #251
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    johnny97 wrote: »
    Its not a laugh you could do with. Its a lesson on how to spell first of all. If you think you are going to drag me into a slagging match over this you are wrong. I gave a view about her and what she did. There are people who have republican views but are not members of illegal organisations like she is. Read up on your history and you might learn something, in other words educate yourself.

    Final warning pal.


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  • #252
    johnny97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭johnny97


    Super-Rush wrote: »
    I'd suggest you educate yourself with the charter if you want to remain posting here.
    Meaning what educate me ?. And what exactly are your powers to stop me


  • #253
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Oh dear.


  • #254
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    johnny97 wrote: »
    Meaning what educate me ?. And what exactly are your powers to stop me

    I can ban you from posting if you don't stop being so agressive and confrontational, not to mention that you seem intent on insulting people.

    I don't want to have to ban you but you its whats going to happen if you don't cop on a bit.

    If you have any further questions then i suggest you pm me.


  • #255
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    Anyone I'd associate with. I'ds imagine the overwhelming majority.


    Theres xenophobic dregs who claim to be Republicans and probably a tiny minority who understand and can spell the word, yes. Theres also some corrupt Gardai, dodgy judges and people who can't drive on the roads out there, even as we speak

    ...and again, back to that nonsense.

    This is why I ask if you considered someone burning a tricolour and referring To it in offensive terms as anti Irish, because the public face of the republican movement is one that is anti British and uses this to attract support.


  • #256
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    This is why I ask if you considered someone burning a tricolour and referring To it in offensive terms as anti Irish, because the public face of the republican movement is one that is anti British and uses this to attract support.


    You're framing it in your terms and perceptions. It's anti-British Imperialism etc.


  • #257
    johnny97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭johnny97


    Super-Rush wrote: »
    I can ban you from posting if you don't stop being so agressive and confrontational, not to mention that you seem intent on insulting people.

    I don't want to have to ban you but you its whats going to happen if you don't cop on a bit.

    If you have any further questions then i suggest you pm me.
    okay sorry if i insulted anyone got a bit carried away.


  • #258
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    You're framing it in your terms and perceptions. It's anti-British Imperialism etc.

    That does come across a bit like "how can I be racist, my best mate is black" to be honest.


  • #259
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    This is why I ask if you considered someone burning a tricolour and referring To it in offensive terms as anti Irish, because the public face of the republican movement is one that is anti British and uses this to attract support.

    Whether or not it's an anti-Irish sentiment depends on why they're burning the tricolour, what does it represent to them in that context?

    Extremist Muslims burn the American flag because to them it represents the infidels, the imperialism of America and the imperialism of the west in general but they actively recruit and happily accept American and European Muslims among their ranks.

    It's framed as a hatred of Americans but it's actually a hatred of what they see America, and infidelic Americans, represents (which is non-Islamic "westernism"). They couldn't really care what nationality you are as long as you conform to their ideology.

    Likewise a loyalist could burn a tricolour as a protest against strong-arm republicanism while having no hatred of the general Irish population.


  • #260
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    That does come across a bit like "how can I be racist, my best mate is black" to be honest.


    ...no, it doesn't. Theres what you want to believe and what actually is, Fred.


  • #261
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...no, it doesn't. Theres what you want to believe and what actually is, Fred.

    It's all about perceptions right? I'm telling you how I, and a lot of other English people, perceive the republican movement


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  • #262
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It's all about perceptions right? I'm telling you how I, and a lot of other English people, perceive the republican movement.


    ...then I suggest you educate yourself as to what it is. I've little hope that even an event like Gerry Adams proposing to one of the royals would make any difference to you however.

    You know Martin McGuinness is a cricket fan? True story.


  • #263
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...then I suggest you educate yourself as to what it is. I've little hope that even an event like Gerry Adams proposing to one of the royals would make any difference to you however.

    You know Martin McGuinness is a cricket fan? True story.

    I had heard that actually. I look forward to seeing him in Malahide this summer, we could share a jug of Pimms together.

    If a political party wants people's votes they should try and correct people's perception of them, but being a cynic, I would say that it could lose them votes from the "true" patriots.


  • #264
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It's all about perceptions right? I'm telling you how I, and a lot of other English people, perceive the republican movement
    Yes, anti republican propaganda and decades of censorship has misinformed you and others greatly.


  • #265
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Err, yes to that one!

    We're just never going to get along are we? lol


  • #266
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    GRMA wrote: »
    Yes, anti republican propaganda and decades of censorship has misinformed you and others greatly.

    It's always someone else's fault.


  • #267
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    So there was not decades of anti republican propaganda and censorship? With both of those how were republicans supposed to get across their message and for people to get an accurate impression of them?


  • #268
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    GRMA wrote: »
    how were republicans supposed to get across their message and for people to get an accurate impression of them?

    Not bombing people would not have hurt.


  • #269
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    gallag wrote: »
    Not bombing people would not have hurt.

    Nice generalisation,every republican bombed people.

    Makes sense the more you read it.


  • #270
    dd972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    Shooting some stranger delivering rashers and pork chops she didn't even know, I get the impression from reading about the case that she's not the brightest star in the cosmos.


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  • #271
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    dd972 wrote: »
    Shooting some stranger delivering rashers and pork chops she didn't even know, I get the impression from reading about the case that she's not the brightest star in the cosmos.

    Yep its true and she wasn't in the cira like reported,or any group,but cause she shouts a load of garbage in court,its believed.


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