Apologies

hairyprincess · 10-04-2013 7:27pm #1

How does everyone feel about receiving an apology, particularly for an opinion held. I've seen a few cases in the media lately were people in a position of influence said some controversial stuff and were then made to publicly apologise or retract statements. What is the point in forcing someone to apologise? Nothing can take away what they have said or done.

Even in my personal life, even if you really are sorry then change your behaviour. But I don't think anyone should have to apologise just because people get offended

Redhairedguy · 10-04-2013 7:30pm

Especially if the apology is in any way half-arsed or not earnest.

Boo2112 · 10-04-2013 7:30pm

Depends on the context and if I feel they mean it and are worth forgiving.

blackhound · 10-04-2013 7:31pm

I think you're a big fool.

Sorry

Micky Dolenz · 10-04-2013 7:32pm

I regret nothing, sorry.

Kolido · 10-04-2013 7:33pm

Sometimes opinions are best kept to ones self there is a tíme and place for everything

Fratton Fred · 10-04-2013 7:33pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I regret nothing, sorry.

Not even that Thai ladyboy?

Banjo String · 10-04-2013 7:34pm

Apologies can be very weird experience's at times.

I often she up feeling sorry for the person apologizing to me at times.

catallus · 10-04-2013 7:34pm

When you say you have seen it in the media do you mean politicians apologising or celebrities? (Ken Barlow springs to mind)

It might help if you could give instances of it occurring to you personally?

Micky Dolenz · 10-04-2013 7:35pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not even that Thai ladyboy?

Nah, I'd try anything once or twice or a few times.

HondaSami · 10-04-2013 7:35pm

Some people just want a public apology to make themselves better but if it's not genuine what is the point. I hate the word sorry.

3ndahalfof6 · 10-04-2013 7:38pm

Thank them for their apology, telling them how much it will make the lesser humans understand, once someone big up in the glen says sorry, it is OK to do wrong, but remember to apologize,

Then off with their heads, the lot of them, we need soup and we need something to make the stock.

hairyprincess · 10-04-2013 7:38pm

catallus wrote: »

When you say you have seen it in the media do you mean politicians apologising or celebrities? (Ken Barlow springs to mind)

It might help if you could give instances of it occurring to you personally?

Ken Barlow was just who I was thinking of.
I just think, what is the point, you've said what you've said, you can't take it back. The apology is only being given because they have been forced

suicide_circus · 10-04-2013 7:40pm

In the sun
in the sun we feel as one
in the sun, in the sun
Married
Buried

castletownman · 10-04-2013 7:40pm

I never apologise. I'm sorry but that's just the way I am

hoodwinked · 10-04-2013 7:41pm

apologies are only worth it if they are completely meant by the person apologising, and backed up with the person not making the same mistakes again imo

Jester252 · 10-04-2013 7:43pm

I lose respect for people that apologies after saying something that I may/may not agreed with.

catallus · 10-04-2013 7:44pm

Apologising in Barlow's case ( I can't even be bothered to look up his real name!) was damage control, to quieten the media about his rather eccentric views on the afterlife. I think Glen Hoddle, an English football manager, prematurely ended his career a few years ago by spouting the same stuff.

Adults (in the public eye) don't apologise because they are sorry, it's all about damage control, and not losing face for holding an opinion or stance that others would look down on.

3ndahalfof6 · 10-04-2013 7:44pm

hoodwinked wrote: »

apologies are only worth it if they are completely meant by the person apologising, and backed up with the person not making the same mistakes again imo

or giving a blow job, or washing the floor (with their pubic hair)

pragmatic1 · 10-04-2013 7:46pm

I agree OP. Forced apologies are completely meaningless.

3ndahalfof6 · 10-04-2013 7:48pm

castletownman wrote: »

I never apologise. I'm sorry but that's just the way I am

Ha ha, you said I'M. ( your funny).

shopaholic01 · 10-04-2013 7:49pm

Apologising for expressing an honest opinion is pointless and cowardly. People in the public eye probably do it on the advice of their agents.

However, if you react and say something unnecessarily cruel when upset or angry that you don't really mean, then yes you should apologise.

catallus · 10-04-2013 7:49pm

Would one not consider forced apologies to be the most meaningful, rather than the most meaningless? If someone is forced to contradict themselves by force (physical or psychological) then isn't that the best way to publicly modify their behaviour? I think that's the reason why the media are so happy to chase down politicians or slebs when they espouse some weird philosophy or otherwise go against the grain.

Red Pepper · 10-04-2013 7:52pm

An apology can be an amazingly effective message in a work environment. Most people don't do it and look for others to blame which re-inforces the respect you get for taking it on the chin.

doolox · 10-04-2013 7:53pm

People in the public eye mostly make public apologies in order to keep the privileged position they hold in life and to keep the Bank manager happy.

It is impossible to read a persons mind and know what their real attitudes and prejudices are.

A lot of time the celebrities get caught out in an ill judged moment and then have to "repair the damage" afterwards to keep the earning potential alive.

An old Latin phrase "in vino veritas" comes to mind...in wine there is truth.....

shopaholic01 · 10-04-2013 7:58pm

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

Ha ha, you said I'M. ( your funny).

How is that funny?

somefeen · 10-04-2013 7:58pm

Was told recently that my opinion of gender is sexist and misinformed.
Now everyone is probably calling me sexist.
Im not sexist and don't give a **** who I offended by saying what I said about gender. I find what they believe about gender to be seriously offensive.
So **** em' I'm not ****ing apologising.

and 'in vino veritas'? Is there ****. I tend to agree with people when I'm pissed even when they're talking bollox.

I am a very angry young man, please ignore me.

ilovesleep · 10-04-2013 8:41pm

If a wrong doing has occured and it's a serious breach that hurt or damaged another person, an apology from the wrong doer, acknowledges what they've done and it's a step towards correcting and rectifying the problem. Without an apology it would appear that the wrong doer simply doesn't care what he/she has done and may appear that he/she is proud of his/her actions that led to another being aggrieved.

ilovesleep · 10-04-2013 8:45pm

Red Pepper wrote: »

An apology can be an amazing effective message in a work environment. Most people don't do it and look for others to blame which re-inforces the respect you get for taking it on the chin.

That's it. An apology establishes huge respect in that you can put your hand up and say you've done wrong instead of cowardly hinding a mistake or wrong doing. You can take steps at rectifying a problem early on whereas if you run and hind from a fcuk up, it has the potential to get worse.

Madam_X · 10-04-2013 10:09pm

Yeh apologising is unlikely to change the person's position - but I think there are times when it's only fitting to apologise either for the way they express it, or for the expression of it at all if it's particularly hurtful. Some sh1t you just do not say if you're a public figure.

Like this twat: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/councillor-refuses-to-resign-after-telling-campaigners-that-disabled-children-should-be-put-down-8513138.html

He can think it all he likes or say it in private, but what good is saying it publicly? And **** "free speech" in this instance. It's of no advantage to anyone. If he was a member of a group that openly lobbied for such a thing, then ok... that's where free speech comes in to play - so that people can challenge such a view. But not a public representative.

Clandestine · 10-04-2013 10:13pm

When people apologise to me I feel a sense of relief, because they won't be bothering me anymore about whichever issue it was, or because they have just reaffirmed that my position was right.
I only apologise to defuse a situation and avoid future confrontations. I rarely feel remorse

Truncheon Rouge · 10-04-2013 10:38pm

Redhairedguy wrote: »

Especially if the apology is in any way half-arsed or not earnest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6fQ52YZoM

Czarcasm · 10-04-2013 10:54pm

Anyone saying sorry to me for anything is a pet hate of mine, I'd prefer just move on already.

Sometimes in a discussion I'll be civil and apologise if I take someone up wrong, but offline? I rather just let something go and get on with things.

Zebra3 · 10-04-2013 10:54pm

hairyprincess wrote: »

How does everyone feel about receiving an apology, particularly for an opinion held. I've seen a few cases in the media lately were people in a position of influence said some controversial stuff and were then made to publicly apologise or retract statements. What is the point in forcing someone to apologise? Nothing can take away what they have said or done.

Even in my personal life, even if you really are sorry then change your behaviour. But I don't think anyone should have to apologise just because people get offended

People who may have said something libelous apologise to avoid being sued.

The Barefoot Pizza Thief · 10-04-2013 10:58pm

It's a sad, sad situation.

hairyprincess · 10-04-2013 11:19pm

The Barefoot Pizza Thief wrote: »

It's a sad, sad situation.

And its getting more absurd

Uriel. · 10-04-2013 11:27pm

Madam_X wrote: »

Yeh apologising is unlikely to change the person's position - but I think there are times when it's only fitting to apologise either for the way they express it, or for the expression of it at all if it's particularly hurtful. Some sh1t you just do not say if you're a public figure.

Like this twat: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/councillor-refuses-to-resign-after-telling-campaigners-that-disabled-children-should-be-put-down-8513138.html

He can think it all he likes or say it in private, but what good is saying it publicly? And **** "free speech" in this instance. It's of no advantage to anyone. If he was a member of a group that openly lobbied for such a thing, then ok... that's where free speech comes in to play - so that people can challenge such a view. But not a public representative.

Holy sh1t. That's mental. Why the hell did he go to that event to do that. I can't even find words to properly describe what he did..

Hank Scorpio · 10-04-2013 11:30pm

Whole hearted apoligies like Enda Kennys to the Magdalene women are fine

:pac:

WayneMolloy · 10-04-2013 11:36pm

Jester252 wrote: »

I lose respect for people that apologies after saying something that I may/may not agreed with.

Me too. TD makes controversial statement. Media goes ape. TD backtracks and makes a groveling apology. If you said it originally, then you probably meant it. Apologising for your original comments show you up to be a pussy and afraid to stand by your beliefs.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-04-2013 12:09am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

so may "apologies" are like this

policarp · 11-04-2013 12:25am

Apologies should be accompanied by a well padded brown paper bag.

smileyj1987 · 11-04-2013 1:00am

I never have to give them , I'm always right !

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