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Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school

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  • #572
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    MadsL wrote: »
    My daughters situation is hardly unique. I'll discuss it with her and look at other options so that she can select the name she wants to use at 18 for her adult passport.

    This i don't understand, why would she want to change her name at 18? will she not be calling herself something different then ?
    what's the problem with the school using the Irish version of her name during school.

    Is it normal for people to change to a different name when they reach 18?


  • #573
    S28382
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭S28382


    Ok so this not about school but the damn church...........when we were getting my youngfella christened the priest wouldnt christen him with his first name as it wasnt a saints name? His name is Dylan James the priest insisted on christening him James Dylan.


  • #574
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    Found another one! :D You're good at this.
    Oh I see, when you pull the piss it's considered logical argument, when I do it it's ego-serving?


  • #575
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Plenty of people use different or translated names in different languages. My manager uses Luke instead of Lukasz and a co-worker uses Michael instead of some difficult to pronounce Chinese name. This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.

    This idea that your name in your mother tongue is totally sacred and set in stone no matter what language you use isn't true at all.

    Yet "correcting" English and other names into Irish so that you can "immerse" into Irish is totally sacred. Sure how would you speak Irish without it.

    The massive irony is the majority of parents who give their kids Irish names don't actually speak Irish.


  • #576
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    This wasn't forced upon them, they were happy to go along with it.
    Which makes your little anecdote 100% irrelevant, huh?


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  • #577
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    HondaSami wrote: »
    This i don't understand, why would she want to change her name at 18? will she not be calling herself something different then ?
    what's the problem with the school using the Irish version of her name during school.

    Is it normal for people to change to a different name when they reach 18?

    *Sigh* I have already explained this.

    Birth cert is English English-English form
    Primary used English Irish
    School use Irish Irish form
    She is thinking of using English Irish form as her adult name.

    Clear now?


  • #578
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Oh I see, when you pull the piss it's considered logical argument, when I do it it's ego-serving?

    Just playing at the game you started. You threw logical argument out the window a long time ago.

    And yes, your posts are egotistical, sarcastic and are going to find a new home on my ignore list.

    I enjoy when people with different points of view can convey them clearly, coherently and persuasively. Another poster, CahillRed I think, did this, and changed my opinion through measured logical posting. As you find it impossible to do this, there is no point in conversing with you further.


  • #579
    kiffer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    People should be referred to by the name they prefer.
    If someone introduces themselves with an Irish name I don't change it to the English version while I am speaking English... so why would I do it the other way?

    More important than calling someone by their preferred name is not calling them by a name they actively dislike.
    So if a friend started calling me Criostoir I wouldn't be upset, it's not my name but then neither are many of the other names/nicknames they call me... but call me Christy and I just wont respond unless it's to say "That's not my name" or "Chris". If it continued I'd just mentally lable the person an asshole.

    On writen documents I would definitely insist on my actual name regardless of what spoken name people were using.


  • #580
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    seamus wrote: »
    They chose it. That's the point.

    My point was that names can change across different languages. Something that some people in this thread have trouble grasping.


  • #581
    Boo2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Boo2112


    MadsL wrote: »
    Yet "correcting" English and other names into Irish so that you can "immerse" into Irish is totally sacred. Sure how would you speak Irish without it.

    The massive irony is the majority of parents who give their kids Irish names don't actually speak Irish.

    I'm sure they'd say the childs name at least once a day so they'd probably talk a lot of irish actually.


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  • #582
    Gambas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 847 ✭✭✭Gambas


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    Then what's Sean the Irish for? :confused: Or are they both John?

    Yes, but Eoin isn't that commonly used anymore and has become its own (no pun) subspecies. Seán/Jean/John/Johann/Ivan/Ewan/Ian/Eoin/Eoghan/Owen. Plus about another 50 I haven't mentioned.


  • #583
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Boo2112 wrote: »
    I'm sure they'd say the childs name at least once a day so they'd probably talk a lot of irish actually.

    Fck me I'm now fluent in Irish!!


  • #584
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    MadsL wrote: »
    *Sigh* I have already explained this.

    Birth cert is English English-English form
    Primary used English Irish
    School use Irish Irish form
    She is thinking of using English Irish form as her adult name.

    Clear now?

    to be fair, there's a serious amount of traffic on this thread

    what name was she enrolled into the school as??


  • #585
    Boo2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Boo2112


    MadsL wrote: »
    *Sigh* I have already explained this.

    Birth cert is English English-English form
    Primary used English Irish
    School use Irish Irish form
    She is thinking of using English Irish form as her adult name.

    Clear now?

    Why did the primary school change her name? Or is she asking for different names every time? If that's the case id tattoo one to her forhead and tell her cop the sh1t.


  • #586
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    My point was that names can change across different languages.

    No they don't.

    I don't have 6,500 different names.

    I have one name regardless of the language you speak.


  • #587
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    Just playing at the game you started. You threw logical argument out the window a long time ago.

    And yes, your posts are egotistical, sarcastic and are going to find a new home on my ignore list.
    I see, the "you started it" defense.
    Weren't you supposed to make at least a vain stab at pretending your own posts weren't the things you've attempted to describe my posts as?


  • #588
    SparkySpitfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭SparkySpitfire


    MadsL wrote: »
    Yet "correcting" English and other names into Irish so that you can "immerse" into Irish is totally sacred. Sure how would you speak Irish without it.

    The massive irony is the majority of parents who give their kids Irish names don't actually speak Irish.


    From Wiki, but still:
    "A first language (also native language, mother tongue, arterial language, or L1) is the language(s) a person has learned from birth[1] or within the critical period, or that a person speaks the best and so is often the basis for sociolinguistic identity"
    So, presuming this is English in your case, then it is your mother tongue. Which, by the other poster's logic means that it's not sacred.

    Also:
    "the majority of parents who give their kids Irish/French/Spanish names don't actually speak Irish/French/Spanish"
    FYP.

    Maybe they just like the names.


  • #589
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Boo2112 wrote: »
    Why did the primary school change her name? Or is she asking for different names every time? If that's the case id tattoo one to her forhead and tell her cop the sh1t.

    Do I have to explain it again? Her full name has two surnames. She used a short version of her name in Primary (mothers surname)


  • #590
    How so Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭How so Joe


    MadsL wrote: »
    Fck me I'm now fluent in Irish!!
    I thought the whole point of this thread was that your daughter DIDN'T want to use an Irish name - why are you using it, then?
    And equally, why would you be referring to your daughter by her surname, since that's the bit she does want in Irish?


  • #591
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    MadsL wrote: »
    Do I have to explain it again? Her full name has two surnames. She used a short version of her name in Primary (mothers surname)

    what is she enrolled in the school as?


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  • #592
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Which makes your little anecdote 100% irrelevant, huh?

    Again, my 'little anecdote' (cheers for the snideness buddy) was meant to demonstrate the fact that names can change across languages. This is true whether a person likes this or not. Some people are happy to along with this which is perfectly reasonable. The way some people are going on in this thread you'd think this wasn't the case at all.


  • #593
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    MadsL wrote: »
    *Sigh* I have already explained this.

    Birth cert is English English-English form
    Primary used English Irish
    School use Irish Irish form
    She is thinking of using English Irish form as her adult name.

    Clear now?

    No it's not clear to me.

    It makes no difference what the school call her during school time. What is she called at home? This is the name she will be changing at 18, is it not?

    Her wanting to change her name at 18 has nothing to do with the school, nothing what so ever.
    MadsL wrote: »
    Do I have to explain it again? Her full name has two surnames. She used a short version of her name in Primary (mothers surname)

    In fact she all ready changed her name herself, is this really the problem, she dropped your name?


  • #594
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    to be fair, there's a serious amount of traffic on this thread

    what name was she enrolled into the school as??
    A minor's name that is unlikely to be put up on boards.ie for the world to read?


  • #595
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SparkySpitfire wrote: »
    Also:
    "the majority of parents who give their kids Irish/French/Spanish names don't actually speak Irish/French/Spanish"
    FYP.

    Maybe they just like the names.

    I highly doubt that statement is true for French Spanish names.


  • #596
    Boo2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Boo2112


    MadsL wrote: »
    Do I have to explain it again? Her full name has two surnames. She used a short version of her name in Primary (mothers surname)

    Yeah and you said when it changed it went from double english to single irish so was or wasn't it changed?


  • #597
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    hoodwinked wrote: »
    it is relevant as they are calling her by her irish name in a place where all names are translated to irish.
    Do they change all names though? i.e. historical names. what is Adolf Hitler.
    hoodwinked wrote: »
    its not like she's being forced to use the name outside of school.
    It can end up being used outside school which might bother some people. e.g. in early days in college we had a small class, the lecturer shortened my name, this did not bother me much, think shortening Joesph to Joe. So in that small class I became known as the shorter one, which then spread. I would be out with old friends who would think it weird when I would bump into a classmate who called me by the shortened version.

    This didn't bother me, but I could have corrected the lecturer.

    I had a friend in school who used his middle name, one gobshite teacher insisted on using the birth cert first name.


  • #598
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    (cheers for the snideness buddy)
    Buddy? Stunning lack of self-awareness on show here today. Probably too optimistic to hope that it's deliberate irony...


  • #599
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,466 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    They are calling her by the wrong name!!!!

    How anyone can say that it's ok is beyond me! Tell teacher to call her by her name.


  • #600
    ballsymchugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    A minor's name that is unlikely to be put up on boards.ie for the world to read?

    no, what version of her name is she enrolled as?


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  • #601
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    MadsL wrote: »
    Yet "correcting" English and other names into Irish so that you can "immerse" into Irish is totally sacred. Sure how would you speak Irish without it.

    The massive irony is the majority of parents who give their kids Irish names don't actually speak Irish.

    I'm amazed you even bothered enrolling your daughter in a Gaelscoil if this is all it takes to set you off. Serious anti-Irish vibe off this thread.


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