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Companies 'may be forced to appoint women to boards'

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  • #32
    hardCopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    livinsane wrote: »
    My ex used to say that if he ever ran a company, he would hire a man over a woman everytime so he wouldn't have to deal with maternity leave.

    It's a pretty common attitude and makes a lot of sense from a business point of view.

    It's one of the main reasons parental leave should be split between both parents.


  • #33
    Three Seasons
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Three Seasons


    jaffacakesyum wrote: »
    I can and I will blame him/you. I'm sick of people generalising all feminists to be x y and z. It wouldn't be allowed on here if you were generalising any other group so why is it allowed when it's feminists? Who cares if it's a louder voice. There's a loud voice of men who are anti-Irish women on boards.ie but that doesn't mean I can go around saying all men on boards are anti-Irish women. It's nonsense. I hate this "oh well they shout the loudest so they must represent all feminists".

    Well I haven't heard any feminist groups denouncing it as sexist and discriminatory. It tells you for the most part feminists don't really care about gender equality, merely doing whatever is best for women interests even if that means being sexist in doing so. It's hard to respect such a group. Of course not every single self identified feminist is like this. It would appear the majority are though.


  • #34
    humanji
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    Folks, just to try and nip this in the bud, this is a thread relating to sexism, not a thread to make sexist jokes.


  • #35
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    I wonder if the UN Declaration of Human Rights has any actual hold within member states:
    Article 30
    Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
    http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

    Gender Quotas, from what I see, go against it. Any kind of nominal quotas do actually.


  • #36
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    SeventySix wrote: »
    I don't agree with quotas at all but it is a fallacy to say that women and men are equal in job interviews.

    Women are asked about maternity leave still in interviews, despite the fact that it is illegal. I know from my friends, most working in male dominated companies, that many men still think women with kids cant commit to their jobs as fully as men can.

    I know several women who use the kid card all the time and it's annoying, some women make it harder for other women to be taken seriously.


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  • #37
    Lady Chuckles
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    Three Seasons wrote: »
    Well I haven't heard any feminist groups denouncing it as sexist and discriminatory. It tells you for the most part feminists don't really care about gender equality, merely doing whatever is best for women interests even if that means being sexist in doing so. It's hard to respect such a group. Of course not every single self identified feminist is like this. It would appear the majority are though.

    That is an awful lot of baloney! Even in the linked article there are quotes from women not liking this one bit. Do some googling as well and you'll find that the debate is there and that there are feminists strongly against quotas - and thinking it's discriminatory.


  • #38
    SeventySix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭SeventySix


    HondaSami wrote: »
    I know several women who use the kid card all the time and it's annoying, some women make it harder for other women to be taken seriously.

    I know serveral men that use the kid card regularly, but somehow they aren't making it hard for either themselves or other men to be taken seriously.


  • #39
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    livinsane wrote: »
    My ex used to say that if he ever ran a company, he would hire a man over a woman everytime so he wouldn't have to deal with maternity leave.

    This here is most probably one of the biggest reasons this legislation is being proposed.


  • #40
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    HondaSami wrote: »
    I know several women who use the kid card all the time and it's annoying, some women make it harder for other women to be taken seriously.

    What's the kid card?


  • #41
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Lady Chuckles wrote: »
    That is an awful lot of baloney! Even in the linked article there are quotes from women not liking this one bit. Do some googling as well and you'll find that the debate is there and that there are feminists strongly against quotas - and thinking it's discriminatory.

    Not one person from the article who disagrees with the proposal is doing so because they find it discriminatory, they all think it doesnt go far enough, maybe you should read the article again


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  • #42
    SeventySix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭SeventySix


    dark crystal wrote: »
    What's the kid card?
    "I have to leave on time to pick up the baby.", "I need to work from home so I can be there for the kids." etc


  • #43
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    SeventySix wrote: »
    "I have to leave on time to pick up the baby.", "I need to work from home so I can be there for the kids." etc

    Fact is, it's more often than not left up to the women to carry out these familial duties. I wonder how many men are accused of playing the kid card and making it harder for other men to be taken seriously..?


  • #44
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    SeventySix wrote: »
    I know serveral men that use the kid card regularly, but somehow they aren't making it hard for either themselves or other men to be taken seriously.

    I can honestly say i have never seen a man use it.
    dark crystal wrote: »
    What's the kid card?

    School meetings, starting late, finishing early, using the kid as an excuse to get out of work.


  • #45
    Three Seasons
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    Lady Chuckles wrote: »
    That is an awful lot of baloney! Even in the linked article there are quotes from women not liking this one bit. Do some googling as well and you'll find that the debate is there and that there are feminists strongly against quotas - and thinking it's discriminatory.


    I would expect plenty of women to be against this as most women aren't feminists IMO.

    I haven't heard much from feminists groups being outraged agains such quotas.


  • #46
    thebigbiffo
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    Yeah, blame ALL the feminists, the feminist hive mind agrees unanimously

    Sorry but I will in fact blame all feminists – I’ve never met a feminist who doesn’t blame all men for their woes – so welcome to the club. I’m for EQUALITY, feminism

    I’ve always had a problem with the maternity leave issue, because I do in fact believe it’s a very pertinent point when hiring staff. If I’m a struggling SME who needs someone in admin, why can I not ask a recently married 20 something what her intentions are as regards family? If I’m going to lose that staff member a matter of months after hiring them and pay for their leave and other benefits, it has the ability to break my company and cause major upset as I hire cover etc.

    It’s not my bloody fault I can’t get pregnant! That’s not sexism, it’s human nature!


  • #47
    dark crystal
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    I can honestly say i have never seen a man use it.

    Have a think about why you haven't seen that.

    Who do you think is picking up the men's kids after school, taking them to the doctor and the dentist, attending the parent teacher meeting, staying home when their child is sick etc.?


  • #48
    Lady Chuckles
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Not one person from the article who disagrees with the proposal is doing so because they find it discriminatory, they all think it doesnt go far enough, maybe you should read the article again

    I said google it!
    It seemed to me you don't think the anti-quota debate is there. I'm telling you it's there. Google it.


  • #49
    SeventySix
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    I can honestly say i have never seen a man use it.



    School meetings, starting late, finishing early, using the kid as an excuse to get out of work.
    Perhaps its the industry you are in. In my company (IT) there are lots of men that are doing the creche run and having to leave on time. Or drop kids to school so they are in late. Some working from home a day or two a week to be there when older kids get home. Its not seen as anything but normal and the company facilitates it.
    In your workplace are there no men with children or if some do have kids are the childs mothers doing 100% of the childcare?


  • #50
    Nodin
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    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    .....

    It’s not my bloody fault I can’t get pregnant!

    Now be honest, how much time have ye put into it....I'm sure if ye put the effort in, you'd be firing out little biffos like the jaysus.


  • #51
    Three Seasons
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Have a think about why you haven't seen that.

    Who do you think is picking up the men's kids after school, taking them to the doctor and the dentist, attending the parent teacher meeting, staying home when their child is sick etc.?


    That's a personal issue to be decided between parents as to who takes care of those duties.


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  • #52
    tigger123
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    Three Seasons wrote: »
    I would expect plenty of women to be against this as most women aren't feminists IMO.

    I haven't heard much from feminists groups being outraged agains such quotas.

    Most women aren't feminists? What's your definition of a feminist?


  • #53
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Three Seasons wrote: »
    That's a personal issue to be decided between parents as to who takes care of those duties.

    Indeed, but I was simply addressing the point another poster made, stating she had never seen men using the 'kid card' and that she had only seen women doing this, which in turn makes it harder for them to be taken seriously.

    I was just pointing out why that may be the case.


  • #54
    Lady Chuckles
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    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    Sorry but I will in fact blame all feminists – I’ve never met a feminist who doesn’t blame all men for their woes – so welcome to the club. I’m for EQUALITY, feminism

    I'm a feminist. I don't blame men.
    How do you do :)


  • #55
    VinLieger
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    Lady Chuckles wrote: »
    I said google it!
    It seemed to me you don't think the anti-quota debate is there. I'm telling you it's there. Google it.

    I know you did but you also said there was quotes from the article i was responding to that, also its usually up to the person making the claims to provide the evidence but i will do some of my own googling. However im still yet to see any groups voice their opinions in public through the media etc


  • #56
    Three Seasons
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 548 ✭✭✭Three Seasons


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Most women aren't feminists? What's your definition of a feminist?


    To refine: most women don't identify as feminists.


  • #57
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Have a think about why you haven't seen that.

    Who do you think is picking up the men's kids after school, taking them to the doctor and the dentist, attending the parent teacher meeting etc.?

    It could be the man's mother, father or anyone not necessarily his wife/mother of his children.
    Some women have the same option but choose to do it themselves.


  • #58
    kunst nugget
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Not one person from the article who disagrees with the proposal is doing so because they find it discriminatory, they all think it doesnt go far enough, maybe you should read the article again

    If you use that handy google thing you'll see that, shock horror, not all feminists are in agreement with the notion of quotas and have been vocal about it.

    http://themamabee.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/why-gender-quotas-are-bad-for-business-and-for-feminism/

    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-gender-quotas-do-women-no-favours-–-and-undermine-democracy/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/nov/07/boardroom-gender-quotas-dangerous-burberry


  • #59
    kunst nugget
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    It could be the man's mother, father or anyone not necessarily his wife/mother of his children.
    Some women have the same option but choose to do it themselves.

    Some women might have the option, the majority don't.


  • #60
    dark crystal
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    It could be the man's mother, father or anyone not necessarily his wife/mother of his children.
    Some women have the same option but choose to do it themselves.

    Really? You think women frequently leave work do this stuff even when they have a relative or a paid childminder to do it for them instead?


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  • #61
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Lady Chuckles wrote: »
    I'm a feminist. I don't blame men.
    How do you do :)

    Me too.

    That's two.


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