Cyclists on a Backroad

seamus · 08-04-2013 01:58PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

seriously? it wasn't one run in or a few, every cyclist i personally have come across so far has displayed the same attitude that you see on cyclists posts here on boards, or they were breaking the rules of the road in some way (running red lights, traveling three or four abreast...etc)

Confirmation Bias. It's been mentioned already in this thread, but it's the only thing which can explain your experience, because it's not the reality.

if this poster was behaving like he says he does on a road i would love to come across him, as i would probably act favourably to him, aka pulling in as far as i can safely do to let him pass me in slow moving traffic..etc he seems to not display the attitude i was referring to.

This is the way that I, and at least 50% of cyclists I randomly encounter on my commute, act on the road. In big groups and during events, we persistently act this way because otherwise you get injured.

Thus, if you consistently encounter ignorant and dangerous cyclists and never encounter decent cyclists, then you're either the most unlucky person on earth, or you simply don't notice the cyclists that are behaving properly and only see the ones that don't. Confirmation bias.

Unregistered. · 08-04-2013 01:58PM

gramar wrote: »

Oh merciful god, having to carry an ID down to the shop. It's hardly a ball and chain around you ankle now is it?
No mention of number plates - a simple license that demonstrates that the cyclist has a sufficient knowledge of the rules of the road.

No stats to back this up however a lot of adult cyclists already have driving licences.

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 01:59PM

Sauve wrote: »

Ah come on!

i am being serious.... i have yet to in real life come across one like the poster above i quoted....

maybe its a Cork thing....

glic71rods46t0 · 08-04-2013 01:59PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

I know that starting a cyclist/motorist thread on boards.ie is the equivalent of reciting nellA miT Red Rum in a mirror.

and yet you must also engage on every one of them also - kettle, its pot calling (u black muthafukka!)

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:02PM

seamus wrote: »

Confirmation Bias. It's been mentioned already in this thread, but it's the only thing which can explain your experience, because it's not the reality.
This is the way that I, and at least 50% of cyclists I randomly encounter on my commute, act on the road. In big groups and during events, we persistently act this way because otherwise you get injured.

Thus, if you consistently encounter ignorant and dangerous cyclists and never encounter decent cyclists, then you're either the most unlucky person on earth, or you simply don't notice the cyclists that are behaving properly and only see the ones that don't. Confirmation bias.

well now taking the bolded part i have two posts thanked that this morning i thought id never see, but seriously i know all about confirmation bias and i am telling you if i met a cyclist like you say you cycle on the road i would stop and hand them a box of roses...maybe the times im driving don't suit the good cyclists

maybe im not on the road often enough to see them. but the ones i see on my routes are generally all attitude or acting the maggot or breaking the rules.

carltonleon · 08-04-2013 02:03PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

actually they can be severe if you take a look at the crash in Cork making the news today as an example. i'd rather there were no cocking up from either side tbh

seriously? it wasn't one run in or a few, every cyclist i personally have come across so far has displayed the same attitude that you see on cyclists posts here on boards, or they were breaking the rules of the road in some way (running red lights, traveling three or four abreast...etc)

hence yes it has coloured my view on cyclists when not one to rebutt the veiw point i have was there until this post:

if this poster was behaving like he says he does on a road i would love to come across him, as i would probably act favourably to him, aka pulling in as far as i can safely do to let him pass me in slow moving traffic..etc he seems to not display the attitude i was referring to.

You will find me on the roads of North County Dublin if you are looking for me. I will be the one letting you pass !!!

glic71rods46t0 · 08-04-2013 02:04PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

and what happens if a driver pulls into a hard shoulder right in front of me on my bike doing 50kmh (happened many a time) making me swerve into the path of traffic coming from behind causing them to cause an accident, you could go down that line of thought all day long

if you're cycling at in excess of 50kmh on a public road and stuff like what you quoted above is happening to you then you need to seriously reassess your road use - you are obviously a dangerous road user and like I said in the earlier post a dangerous road user doesn't have to be the one driving the biggest vehicle - it can be a reckless cyclist doing in excess of 50kmh and swerving into the path of oncoming traffic - you have proven my point, well done sir!

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:04PM

carltonleon wrote: »

You will find me on the roads of North County Dublin if you are looking for me. I will be the one letting you pass !!!

see i NEVER drive there

come do some cycling curtesy lessons in Cork will you please???

im sure they'll pay you and ill owe you one....

seamus · 08-04-2013 02:09PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

well now taking the bolded part i have two posts thanked that this morning i thought id never see, but seriously i know all about confirmation bias and i am telling you if i met a cyclist like you say you cycle on the road i would stop and hand them a box of roses...maybe the times im driving don't suit the good cyclists

Templeogue road, Dublin, around 7:45 every morning. I prefer Cadbury's Heroes, but I'll graciously accept Roses.

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:10PM

seamus wrote: »

Templeogue road, Dublin, around 7:45 every morning. I prefer Cadbury's Heroes, but I'll graciously accept Roses.

im seeing a trend here, so are we agreed the dublin cyclists are curtious?

where cork cyclists see no problem cycling on 120km/h roads in three/four abreast formations? :P

Knasher · 08-04-2013 02:11PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

see i NEVER drive there come do some cycling curtesy lessons in Cork will you please???

I find the vast majority of the road users in Cork city center to be perfectly courteous, both cyclist and motorist. You must be driving in a very angry part of the city.

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:12PM

Knasher wrote: »

I find the vast majority of the road users in Cork city center to be perfectly courteous, both cyclist and motorist. You must be driving in a very angry part of the city.

the south and the west?

we're a very angry people....lots to be angry about....lots of cyclists take the piss on our backroads

carltonleon · 08-04-2013 02:13PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

see i NEVER drive there come do some cycling curtesy lessons in Cork will you please???

im sure they'll pay you and ill owe you one....

It is simple really, once the car is in front of you it and gone past then it is out of your way you don't have to worry about it. Why hold it up when you can let it pass ? At least that way you are not worried about it trying to overtake you unsafely as it has gone past you already.

The Bishop Basher · 08-04-2013 02:16PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

and still a much more dangerous contraption to a man on a bike

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

and what happens if a driver pulls into a hard shoulder right in front of me on my bike doing 50kmh (happened many a time) making me swerve into the path of traffic coming from behind causing them to cause an accident, you could go down that line of thought all day long

If you're doing 50kmh on a public road you are a potential danger to everyone around you as evidenced your self in the post above.

Sauve · 08-04-2013 02:20PM

Swanner wrote: »

If you're doing 50kmh on a public road you are a potential danger to everyone around you as evidenced your self in the post above.

If a car swerves into the hard shoulder right in front of a cyclist, how is that the cyclists' fault for cycling 50kph? The car shouldn't have done it, irregardless of the bicycles' speed.

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:20PM

carltonleon wrote: »

It is simple really, once the car is in front of you it and gone past then it is out of your way you don't have to worry about it. Why hold it up when you can let it pass ? At least that way you are not worried about it trying to overtake you unsafely as it has gone past you already.

lol thats what i think, when stopped at a red light why place your car in the lane thats obtrusive, when you can let bikers up the front, they can take off (generally) faster than you and they need a better view of whats ahead which they can get without a car blocking their view (that and they are slimmer than a car and can usually get to the front easily if you move in a bit)

but if someone is being a dick (motorist or cyclist) then im going to be a dick back (unless im in a good mood) and in my experience all the cyclists ive met on my routes have been dicks one way or another (believe me i've met dicks of motorists too)

no they don't pay road tax, because it doesn't exist. maybe it should, im not sure on that....but as of now it doesn't exist.

but then my opinion on this whole thing is don't hold me up making me do 30km/h on a 120km/h road, when the hard shoulder is in better condition than most cycle lanes (and roads for that matter) in this county and ill be more inclined to let you through when you inevitably catch up with me at the next red light,

Seaneh · 08-04-2013 02:21PM

Swanner wrote: »

If you're doing 50kmh on a public road you are a potential danger to everyone around you as evidenced your self in the post above.

Not if people obey the rules of the ****ing road, he's not.

Stop talking nonsense.

kylith · 08-04-2013 02:22PM

gramar wrote: »

Oh merciful god, having to carry an ID down to the shop. It's hardly a ball and chain around you ankle now is it?

No mention of number plates - a simple license that demonstrates that the cyclist has a sufficient knowledge of the rules of the road. There is no reason why it should mean plummeting numbers of cyclists. A bit of an overreaction.

What licence do you expect a 10 year old to carry around with them, or would you like to ban children from cycling completely? Maybe children who live in rural areas should sit in and watch telly instead of cycling to their friend's houses.

Car's may be involved in accidents but it doesn't necessarily mean they are at fault. I see cyclist take turns without signalling, run read lights and cycle at night without lights or reflective material on a daily basis.
Not to mention cycling around half cut but sure that's ok.

hoodwinked wrote: »

well now taking the bolded part i have two posts thanked that this morning i thought id never see, but seriously i know all about confirmation bias and i am telling you if i met a cyclist like you say you cycle on the road i would stop and hand them a box of roses...maybe the times im driving don't suit the good cyclists

I cycle as close to the kerb as is safe, I stop at lights, I indicate, I wait for the road behind me to be clear before I turn right, my lights are bright, and even my backpack is luminous. Where should I meet you to get my chocolates? I'd prefer Dairy Milk to Roses though.

Anyway, point being, you're obviously only notice cyclists who are acting badly. There are many like me who cycle with due care and attention, and to say that good cyclist don't exist is nonsense. I would recommend that you borrow a bike and spend a couple of weeks cycling, I would wager that you'd have a different view of cyclists and motorists afterward.

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:22PM

Sauve wrote: »

If a car swerves into the hard shoulder right in front of a cyclist, how is that the cyclists' fault for cycling 50kph? The car shouldn't have done it, irregardless of the bicycles' speed.

you are supposed to be going at a speed that gives you a safe distance to stop...

:pac:

the cyclists shouldn't be so close to the car in front that they can't safely stop...

*starts packing boxes of chocolates into her car*

The Bishop Basher · 08-04-2013 02:23PM

seamus wrote: »

This is the way that I, and at least 50% of cyclists I randomly encounter on my commute, act on the road. In big groups and during events, we persistently act this way because otherwise you get injured.

CI should make you their PR guru. While they're at it, they should hire you to teach these simple acts of courtesy to everyone in the cycling fraternity. Your non combative and unself righteous attitude is a breath of fresh air and if all cyclists and motorists adopted your approach, the roads would be a lot happier, a lot more efficient, and most importantly, a lot safer for everyone.

glic71rods46t0 · 08-04-2013 02:24PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Not if people obey the rules of the ****ing road, he's not.

Stop talking nonsense.

OMG - nonsense post is nonsense

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:24PM

Swanner wrote: »

CI should make you their PR guru. While they're at it, they should hire you to teach these simple acts of courtesy to everyone in the cycling fraternity. Your non combative and unself righteous attitude is a breath of fresh air and if all cyclists and motorists adopted your approach, the roads would be a lot happier, a lot more efficient, and most importantly, a lot safer for everyone.

ill give the talk to motorists....

i have chocolates to bribe them with...

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Mycroft H · 08-04-2013 02:25PM

Swanner wrote: »

If you're doing 50kmh on a public road you are a potential danger to everyone around you as evidenced your self in the post above.

kylith · 08-04-2013 02:26PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

you are supposed to be going at a speed that gives you a safe distance to stop...
:pac:
the cyclists shouldn't be so close to the car in front that they can't safely stop...
*starts packing boxes of chocolates into her car*

You've misread. The driver has pulled into the bike lane directly ahead of a cyclist. The cyclist does not have time to stop due to the sudden appearance of the car in their lane. Their only course of action is to swerve into traffic.

Sauve · 08-04-2013 02:26PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

you are supposed to be going at a speed that gives you a safe distance to stop...

:pac:

the cyclists shouldn't be so close to the car in front that they can't safely stop...

*starts packing boxes of chocolates into her car*

Nobody, in a car or bicycle, can generally stop quickly enough if a car swerves in front of them.

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:29PM

Sauve wrote: »

Nobody, in a car or bicycle, can generally stop quickly enough if a car swerves in front of them.

yeah but you have to expect the unexpected, happens all the time in traffic i tend to leave a generous car space between myself and the car in front doing 80km/h and cars always see it as a space to cut into....

its just good driving to be able to stop quickly and have the space to do so at the speed you are doing...so a cyclist on the road should do the same

expect the unexpected and don't go faster than it is safe to stop at if the unexpected occurs...

hoodwinked · 08-04-2013 02:31PM

kylith wrote: »

You've misread. The driver has pulled into the bike lane directly ahead of a cyclist. The cyclist does not have time to stop due to the sudden appearance of the car in their lane. Their only course of action is to swerve into traffic.

without rehashing my last post what would said cyclist do if it was a child suddenly ran in front?

they shouldn't be going so fast that they can't stop if an unexpected situation should occur.

Grandpa Hassan · 08-04-2013 02:31PM

Sauve wrote: »

Nobody, in a car or bicycle, can generally stop quickly enough if a car swerves in front of them.

Or how about those moron drivers who pass you, then immediately turn left while you are cycling at 30kpm or more. Leaving you to either ride into the side of them, or swerve into the traffic coming up behind you. Happens with great regularity. Drivers have no cop-on sometimes

glic71rods46t0 · 08-04-2013 02:32PM

Sauve wrote: »

Nobody, in a car or bicycle, can generally stop quickly enough if a car swerves in front of them.

a cyclist doing 50kmh is akin to a car driver doing 150kmh+ - reckless and dangerous in the extreme - no excuses. Unbelievably some here try to justify it:rolleyes:

Sauve · 08-04-2013 02:33PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

without rehashing my last post what would said cyclist do if it was a child suddenly ran in front?

The same as a car would, what else? brake like fcuk.

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