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Referendum for Irish Unity 2022

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  • #332
    ONeill2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Only if republicans stop calling their country Ireland.

    I can't speak for others but when I say 'Ireland' I'm talking about the island and say 'republic' and 'northern ireland'


  • #333
    Iwasfrozen
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    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    I can't speak for others but when I say 'Ireland' I'm talking about the island and say 'republic' and 'northern ireland'
    Not according to the constitution of Ireland. The official name of the 26 counties is "Ireland".


  • #334
    ONeill2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Not according to the constitution of Ireland. The official name of the 26 counties is "Ireland".

    Though if i said 'Ireland' it could be confused with the island. I could say Republic of Ireland but it can prove as a bit of a mouthful.
    it's better than a lot of people who say 'down south' when going to Donegal.


  • #335
    Iwasfrozen
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    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    Though if i said 'Ireland' it could be confused with the island. I could say Republic of Ireland but it can prove as a bit of a mouthful.
    it's better than a lot of people who say 'down south' when going to Donegal.
    So why is it ok for the the 26 counties of Ireland to call itself Ireland but not ok for the 6 counties of Ulster to call itself Ulster?


  • #336
    ONeill2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    So why is it ok for the the 26 counties of Ireland to call itself Ireland but not ok for the 6 counties of Ulster to call itself Ulster?

    I don't agree with ROI being referred to as 'Ireland' either, it actually irritates me more than N.Ireland being called Ulster but it is all political correctness gone mad now.


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  • #337
    maccored
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    So why is it ok for the the 26 counties of Ireland to call itself Ireland but not ok for the 6 counties of Ulster to call itself Ulster?

    maybe because theres 9 counties in Ulster?


  • #338
    Iwasfrozen
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    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    I don't agree with ROI being referred to as 'Ireland' either, it actually irritates me more than N.Ireland being called Ulster but it is all political correctness gone mad now.
    It's in the constitution, Ireland is the official name of the 26 counties.


  • #339
    Iwasfrozen
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    maccored wrote: »
    maybe because theres 9 counties in Ulster?
    There are 32 counties in Ireland but the 26 are still called Ireland. You stop calling your country Ireland and the unionists will stop calling theirs Ulster.


  • #340
    ONeill2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's in the constitution, Ireland is the official name of the 26 counties.

    I never disputed that, doesn't mean I have to agree with it.


  • #341
    Iwasfrozen
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    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    I never disputed that, doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
    Fair enough, at least you're logically consistent.


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  • #342
    AllthingsCP
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    There are 32 counties in Ireland but the 26 are still called Ireland. You stop calling your country Ireland and the unionists will stop calling theirs Ulster.

    The country is Called the Republic of Ireland, the Island is called Ireland. Nice tread for you to be posting on lol


  • #343
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    AllthingsCP wrote: »
    The country is Called the Republic of Ireland, the Island is called Ireland. Nice tread for you to be posting on lol
    The country is called Ireland.
    Constitution of Ireland, Article 4 wrote:
    The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.


  • #344
    AllthingsCP
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The country is called Ireland.

    Yes but the Island is the Island of Ireland like America is Also United State and and Canada


  • #345
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    AllthingsCP wrote: »
    Yes but the Island is the Island of Ireland like America is Also United State and and Canada
    This country doesn't cover all of Ireland. No more then "Ulster" when used for N. Ireland covers all of Ulster.


  • #346
    AllthingsCP
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    This country doesn't cover all of Ireland. No more then "Ulster" when used for N. Ireland covers all of Ulster.

    The entire land mass is called Ireland, Nations and borders is a different matter.

    it dose not matter where you are from the North or South your nation sits on the Island of Ireland the land mass.

    I understand where you are coming from but the point i am trying to make is its all Ireland


  • #347
    Iwasfrozen
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    AllthingsCP wrote: »
    The entire land mass is called Ireland, Nations and borders is a different matter.

    it dose not matter where you are from the North or South your nation sits on the Island of Ireland the land mass.

    I understand where you are coming from but the point i am trying to make is its all Ireland

    Wait so if we are in agreement why are we arguing?


  • #348
    AllthingsCP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭AllthingsCP


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Wait so if we are in agreement why are we arguing?

    I don't know are we arguing.


  • #349
    ONeill2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    This country doesn't cover all of Ireland. No more then "Ulster" when used for N. Ireland covers all of Ulster.

    but from my experience when some people in N.Ireland refer to Ireland they are talking about the island and are not trying to make out that there is no British rule in some of the land. Usually when unionists refer to Ulster they usually are insinuating that Ulster is British.


  • #350
    Madam
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    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    but from my experience when some people in N.Ireland refer to Ireland they are talking about the island and are not trying to make out that there is no British rule in some of the land. Usually when unionists refer to Ulster they usually are insinuating that Ulster is British.

    But it is - or at least six of the counties are. One land mass two country's , at least if your a Unionist that what you believe/maintain.


  • #351
    ONeill2013
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    Madam wrote: »
    But it is - or at least six of the counties are. One land mass two country's , at least if your a Unionist that what you believe/maintain.

    in terms of the land of Ulster, approx. 43% of it is in ROI and 57% is in N.Ireland. There is no need for it to be referred to as British because a great deal of it isn't.


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  • #352
    Madam
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    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    in terms of the land of Ulster, approx. 43% of it is in ROI and 57% is in N.Ireland. There is no need for it to be referred to as British because a great deal of it isn't.

    Och I know that(I'm originally from Donegal)! Facts are facts though and Unionists claim their land as Ulster and British when we know it isn't but for the foreseeable future there's nothing we can do about that:(


  • #353
    maccored
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    what kind of logic is that? You ask why not call 6 counties of ireland Ulster, when really there are 9. ask the other three counties how they feel about being classed as unionist. that has nothing to do with the pedantry about what the island of ireland is called.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    There are 32 counties in Ireland but the 26 are still called Ireland. You stop calling your country Ireland and the unionists will stop calling theirs Ulster.


  • #354
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    I have noticed in the last year or so a lot more Ulster province flags flying in Cavan, Mongahan and Donegal. Some sort of reclamation of the name of the province going on?


  • #355
    Iwasfrozen
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    maccored wrote: »
    what kind of logic is that? You ask why not call 6 counties of ireland Ulster, when really there are 9. ask the other three counties how they feel about being classed as unionist. that has nothing to do with the pedantry about what the island of ireland is called.
    And you can't call 26 counties Ireland when really there are 32, it's the exact same logic.


  • #356
    Chuck Stone
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    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    I have noticed in the last year or so a lot more Ulster province flags flying in Cavan, Mongahan and Donegal. Some sort of reclamation of the name of the province going on?

    They seem to be more prevalent at Ulster Rugby games too so there might be a little more 'sense of province' across the border too in people who'd largely be pro-Union.


  • #357
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    They seem to be more prevalent at Ulster Rugby games too so there might be a little more 'sense of province' across the border too in people who'd largely be pro-Union.

    I know what you are saying there but I dont think that is it in relation to the last year or so. Seem to adorn a fair few pubs which wouldnt be rugby venues. Maybe related to the ulster championship or something


  • #358
    Rubeter
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Only if republicans stop calling their country Ireland.
    And you can't call 26 counties Ireland when really there are 32, it's the exact same logic.
    No it is not the exact same logic.
    Ireland can refer to either the country named Ireland or the island named Ireland, the "northern state" is named Northern Ireland not Ulster, Ulster is a 9 county province.


  • #359
    Iwasfrozen
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    Rubeter wrote: »
    No it is not the exact same logic.
    Ireland can refer to either the country named Ireland or the island named Ireland, the "northern state" is named Northern Ireland not Ulster, Ulster is a 9 county province.
    • Ireland takes up the majority of Ireland (but not all of it) and is thus named Ireland.
    • Northern Ireland takes up the majority of Ulster (but not all of it) and thus it can be named Ulster.


  • #360
    Rubeter
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    • Ireland takes up the majority of Ireland (but not all of it) and is thus named Ireland.
    • Northern Ireland takes up the majority of Ulster (but not all of it) and thus it can be named Ulster.
    What kind of nonsense is that?
    The island is named Ireland, NI is not named Ulster.
    You can call it anything you please but that does not mean it is correct to do so.
    Your post above isn't even being consistent in your two comparisons, you have to change the wording to even attempt to make the second sentence fit.

    To be the same logic you should be able to say:
    Ireland takes up the majority of Ireland (but not all of it) and is thus named Ireland.
    Northern Ireland takes up the majority of Ulster (but not all of it) and is thus named Ulster.
    But you cannot say that because it is not named Ulster.

    Conclusion: No it is not the exact same logic.


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  • #361
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Rubeter wrote: »
    What kind of nonsense is that?
    The island is named Ireland, NI is not named Ulster.
    You can call it anything you please but that does not mean it is correct to do so.
    Your post above isn't even being consistent in your two comparisons, you have to change the wording to even attempt to make the second sentence fit.

    To be the same logic you should be able to say:
    Ireland takes up the majority of Ireland (but not all of it) and is thus named Ireland.
    Northern Ireland takes up the majority of Ulster (but not all of it) and is thus named Ulster.
    But you cannot say that because it is not named Ulster.

    Conclusion: No it is not the exact same logic.
    You're missing the point. My argument is that it can be named Ulster under the same logic that this country is named Ireland. I'm not arguing that it is because obviously it's not.


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