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Drones for PSNI

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  • #62
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    How about the right to free association? The right to religious privacy? The right to have sex in my garden? The right to walk around naked? The right to think and speak anti-establishment opinions? The right to be a private human being? Just for starters

    Hang on.

    When did anyone say these things would stop?

    People have been shouting this one out for feckin years now and we haven't lost these rights.
    Y'know, except the sex in the garden one, but that was never a right.


  • #63
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Well Sonics..my point is...I would like to uphold the right to continue to do all these things..... PRIVATELY....!!!

    The latest to be revealed is DARPA’s frightening ARGUS-IS, a record-setting 1.8 gigapixel sensor array which can observe and record an area half the size of Manhattan. The newest in the family of "wide area persistent surveillance" tools, the system can detect and track moving objects as small as six inches from 20,000 feet in the air.
    http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/1/3940898/darpa-gigapixel-drone-surveillance-camera-revealed


    Anyways..fekkit..whatever...Call me mad, it won't be the first time I've been called it..:)


  • #64
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Em..the Irish Army has owned 3 UAVs for like 6 years now. Yes they were used in Chad in 2008 but they didn't just go over there without ever using them. They were trained to use them here in 2008 around the Curragh and chances are they're still training them every year since then.

    But if the PSNI or maybe AGS use them for policing purposes, there's suddenly a huge fuss about it?
    AGS already operate two helicopters and a fixed wing aircraft for surveillance, this will be much cheaper and quieter.


  • #65
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    15 MARCH 2013

    The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) is expected to buy two drones for the G8 summit in County Fermanagh in June, it emerged tonight.

    The aircraft can relay live pictures from high quality cameras and are flown by operators remotely.

    They could cost around €1.2m, it was reported.

    World leaders like US President Barack Obama are expected to attend this summer's economic gathering, and a massive security operation is planned at the luxury Lough Erne golf resort which will host the conference.

    The PSNI has told the Policing Board it wants to buy the drones for use during the G8 summit and afterwards to combat terrorism and crime, the BBC said.

    The Board has to be briefed in advance about any planned purchase or deployment and that briefing will take place next week.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/psni-to-buy-two-hightech-spy-drones-ahead-of-g8-summit-29133546.html


    Gosh! I'm not so sure me likey the way things are going? Do we already have drones surveying this island? I ahve heard sneaky tales that they may be used to compensate for closures of police stations..

    in spite of all this madness people are still willing to give politicians and their bosses the benefit of the doubt, foolish way to live your life these days imo

    welcome to 1984 :eek:


  • #66
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    CianRyan wrote: »
    What came to my mind?
    "Cool!"

    I don't see anything wrong with it really, there's already cameras everywhere so it's no different.

    not 19 miles up in the sky with a super high megapixel camera range of 25 sq miles we don't!!


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  • #67
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    I don't like the idea of these unmanned spies in the skies...

    ara it twill be grand like, sure what's the worst that can happen??


  • #68
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    qaf wrote: »
    Obviously these are smaller drones but I doubt people have to be too worried about drones. A lot of those local law enforcement agencies in the US that got smaller drones end up barely using them after the new toy factor wears off.

    bull$hit we don't have to worry about these drones!!

    a quick google shows what they're capable of


  • #69
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    G Power wrote: »
    bull$hit we don't have to worry about these drones!!

    a quick google shows what they're capable of

    A quick Google also shows the dangers of eating cheese, not believing in Scientology and just how lethal an orange in a sock really can be.

    What's your point?


  • #70
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    A quick Google also shows the dangers of eating cheese, not believing in Scientology and just how lethal an orange in a sock really can be.

    What's your point?

    Poor argument, Sonics...just because ridiculous things are said to be dangerous on the net does not, no, in fact CANNOT, undermine a reasonable demand to make advancing technology amenable to regulation.


  • #71
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    event wrote: »
    hey, stop talking sense when people want to talk about conspiracy thoeries

    Here we go. This is happening. It's not a theory, they're not flying cameras. They're drones. If your OK with having some random brainwashed nut-job buzzing around the place with these yokes then I'd say there's something wrong .


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  • #72
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    Poor argument, Sonics...just because ridiculous things are said to be dangerous on the net does not, no, in fact CANNOT, undermine a reasonable demand to make advancing technology amenable to regulation.

    Completely accurate argument.

    People see a danger in all things, it just so happens people react more about technology and privacy.

    I remember (last week) seeing an complaint that mobile phones were being used to intrude on privacy and a too of the "elite" to spy on us all.

    Anyway, where does it say that in the off-chance drones are used in the North (two of them) that were will be no regulation of them?

    Do you think after spending a sizable sum of cash they're just going to zip around parks and apartments hoping to catch some funny videos so they can send it off to You've Been Framed? Or is it far more likely they'll use them for, oh I don't know, watching crimes?


  • #73
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Sonics, Just so we are on the same page...i don't believe in the ''elite'. I don't believe in ''they'' or (..gasp..) TPTB. I do however believe in the existence of stupidity, apathy, ignorance, maliciousness, and so on....
    A quick trot through the references on the net should show you that concern for the ethics and legality of drone use to monitor civilian populations is not the preserve of left wing loonies. It is a real and present source of intelligent debate. Having said that, i think the left wingers really let the debate get off to a poor start by not coming out against the use of drones as weapons of terror for the past 10 years in less visible parts of the world..shame on us.


  • #74
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    How do drones affect my personal privacy? They ain't gonna fly inside my house so what's the problem?

    It's like those people who complain about CCTV cameras on the street 'invading' their privacy.

    If I go to Dublin and take a photo of say... the spire or something and any of you just happen to be walking past, am I then invading your privacy by uploading the photo onto instagram?

    I mean who knows how many pictures/videos of us that we didn't consent to be in are all over the interwebs? So I see no problem with a drone flying over my garden.

    While it's healthy to be skeptical, I don't think these privacy concerns are valid.

    The way drones have been used in the ME is horrid though.. it's like shoot first and no one asks questions later...


  • #75
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Correct me I'm wrong, but doesn't a number of police forces already have them in the rest of the UK?

    /edit
    Harder to shoot down than the choppers are?


  • #76
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    Em..the Irish Army has owned 3 UAVs for like 6 years now. Yes they were used in Chad in 2008 but they didn't just go over there without ever using them. They were trained to use them here in 2008 around the Curragh and chances are they're still training them every year since then.

    But if the PSNI or maybe AGS use them for policing purposes, there's suddenly a huge fuss about it?
    AGS already operate two helicopters and a fixed wing aircraft for surveillance, this will be much cheaper and quieter.

    All true

    we bought them off Israel , a funny story about the Irish defense forces in chad and a drone ( not sure if its true - but good yarn all the same :-) )

    apparently they set one up for a training mission in chad , sent it up into the blue yonder , and it prominently fu2ked off , not responding to inputs,

    so the story goes , the last time it was used was in Ireland , the curragh ,
    and the GPS was set to kildare , so up goes the drone and starts heading for kildare from chad :-)

    i would love it if the story was true


  • #77
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    ^^I doubt that's true!!

    Didn't know Ireland had any. I'm not opposed to them either.

    It's very difficult to put away ganglords despite the fact that we all know who they are. When our legal system depends on loopholes that we never plug then surveillance is the only route left to take.

    I would like to see those being used to tackle gang crime here.:)


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