WTF is St Pattys day

Solair · 25-03-2013 11:18AM

English in general tends to have a bit of a confusion between 't' and 'd' sounds.

E.g. "the -ed" ending sounds like "t"
"walked" is pronounced more like "walkT"

In US English the "dd" in the middle of words is often pronounced more like "tt"

Hence Paddy and Patty are indistinguishable.

In Irish / British / Standard English there's a much clearer distinction between those two.

We tend to pronounce "t" much more strongly than Americans who tend to just leave it unvoiced / slip over it.

I wouldn't get hung up on the paddy's day vs patty's day it's the same thing.

Some people in the US get pretty annoyed if you call it either btw and prefer "St Patrick's Day"

Scruffles · 25-03-2013 04:08PM

Solair wrote: »

English in general tends to have a bit of a confusion between 't' and 'd' sounds.

E.g. "the -ed" ending sounds like "t"
"walked" is pronounced more like "walkT"

In US English the "dd" in the middle of words is often pronounced more like "tt"

Hence Paddy and Patty are indistinguishable.

In Irish / British / Standard English there's a much clearer distinction between those two.

We tend to pronounce "t" much more strongly than Americans who tend to just leave it unvoiced / slip over it.

I wouldn't get hung up on the paddy's day vs patty's day it's the same thing.

Some people in the US get pretty annoyed if you call it either btw and prefer "St Patrick's Day"

plus it isnt just non native irish people who call it saint paddys day,all relatives of mine still living in ireland call it saint paddys day;it was all over their facebooks,several irish family friends living here called patrick refer to themselves as paddy,its weird how so many forumers think irish people collectively have a problem with it shortened to paddy, especialy when it is in a non derogatory way like this.

MadsL · 25-03-2013 05:11PM

http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/590392/-Is-it-truly-Irish--.html

Facepalm!

Miss Lockhart · 25-03-2013 06:41PM

MadsL wrote: »

http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/590392/-Is-it-truly-Irish--.html

Facepalm!

I can't believe that's actually published. Clearly a proofreader is over budget. What a "faux paux".

gobnaitolunacy · 25-03-2013 07:00PM

'The Ancient Order of Hibernians,(AOH)for example, should be consulted on proper and more traditional ways of dress and customs for this event.'

Consult a bunch of homophobic old farts?

MadsL · 26-03-2013 12:51AM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

'The Ancient Order of Hibernians,(AOH)for example, should be consulted on proper and more traditional ways of dress and customs for this event.'

Consult a bunch of homophobic old farts?

Yes, apparently it is an old Irish custom to behave as if homosexuality is still illegal.

MadsL · 26-03-2013 12:56AM

Proper dress eh?

They don't like this clothing much:

I regret to say that once again our proud and noble heritage is under attack by the forces of ignorance, prejudice and corporations that will peddle anything for a dollar. Once again Spencer’s, Urban Outfitters and Wal-Mart are selling shirts and novelties that seem to have sprung from the 19th Century pen of bigoted nativist cartoonist Thomas Nast. Among some of the items on offer this year:

A hat with “Irish Girl Wasted” (Spencer’s)
A green shamrock emblazoned shirt with “Everyone Loves a Drunk Slut” (Spencer’s)
A shirt with “Whiskey Beer Repeat” in the colors of the Irish Tricolor (Urban Outfitters)
A green pint glass with “Irish Today, Hung Over Tomorrow” (Urban Outfitters)
A shirt with a Leprechaun wearing shade and holding a crock filled with marijuana leaves and the caption “I always carry a little Pot with me” (Urban Outfitters)
Drink till your “stumble” with a leprechaun falling down (Wal-Mart)
A leprechaun vomiting a rainbow into a pot of gold (Wal-Mart)

http://www.aoh.com/2013/03/10/aoh-protests-spencers/

gobnaitolunacy · 26-03-2013 10:37AM

MadsL wrote: »

Proper dress eh?

They don't like this clothing much:

http://www.aoh.com/2013/03/10/aoh-protests-spencers/[/QUOTE]

Well, they do have a point here. If this stuff came out with Asian or African American slurs they'd be blue bloody murder.

old hippy · 26-03-2013 01:32PM

Scruffles wrote: »

plus it isnt just non native irish people who call it saint paddys day,all relatives of mine still living in ireland call it saint paddys day;it was all over their facebooks,several irish family friends living here called patrick refer to themselves as paddy,its weird how so many forumers think irish people collectively have a problem with it shortened to paddy, especialy when it is in a non derogatory way like this.

I have no problem with Paddy's Day or Patty's Day. As you say, it's not being used in a derogatory way.

All depends on context.

wilson10 · 26-03-2013 04:50PM

Speaking of the American view of the Irish and St. Patrick's Day, I live just outside a village with 5 pubs, it had a small Paddy's Day parade, which I attended with the family and went home for lunch.

While we were having lunch "The Simpsons" was on the telly, the St. Patrick's Day version, which I didn't know existed but anyway the Simpsons flew to Ireland and their first stop was O'Flanagan's Pub, and of course upon entering they were met with the sight of 2 red headed guys beating the crap out of each other and I thought, what is it with the Brits and the Yanks, their view of the Irish, drinkin and fightin and that's it.

Some time later, about 5.30 I had to go through the village to the filling station and had to stop on the main street which was blocked by what looked like a film set, a scene from "The Simpsons, St, Patrick's Day, The Movie".

6 Guys, 1 of them waving a bottle, 4 of them beating the heads of one another and another held by 2 guards on the bonnet of the squad car.

And I just thought, yeah maybe the Simpsons weren't so far off the mark after all.

old hippy · 26-03-2013 06:34PM

wilson10 wrote: »

Speaking of the American view of the Irish and St. Patrick's Day, I live just outside a village with 5 pubs, it had a small Paddy's Day parade, which I attended with the family and went home for lunch.

While we were having lunch "The Simpsons" was on the telly, the St. Patrick's Day version, which I didn't know existed but anyway the Simpsons flew to Ireland and their first stop was O'Flanagan's Pub, and of course upon entering they were met with the sight of 2 red headed guys beating the crap out of each other and I thought, what is it with the Brits and the Yanks, their view of the Irish, drinkin and fightin and that's it.

Some time later, about 5.30 I had to go through the village to the filling station and had to stop on the main street which was blocked by what looked like a film set, a scene from "The Simpsons, St, Patrick's Day, The Movie".

6 Guys, 1 of them waving a bottle, 4 of them beating the heads of one another and another held by 2 guards on the bonnet of the squad car.

And I just thought, yeah maybe the Simpsons weren't so far off the mark after all.

The Simpsons is satirical and plays up stereotypes. In the same way Family Guy & South Park do but perhaps not as crude.

WTF is St Pattys day

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