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Occupy Dublin. Where are they now?

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  • #62
    Sergeant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Many people are not happy with the status quo and expect change. Just because there hasnt been widespread revolutiond doesnt mean that something wouldnt happen in the future.

    Change is all well and good, but it helps to have an idea of why change is needed, how that is going to be achieved, and most importantly what the change is. None of this was communicated. It was a spectacularly amateurish effort -seeming to be comprised mostly of a bunch of ne'er do wells and crusties sitting around in tents playing the bongo.


  • #63
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    gurramok wrote: »
    When they started to support that rich Killiney landlord couple by turning up on their doorstep with a tent, it finished them.

    ^
    This! :D


  • #64
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    Do what the big corps do, do what the banks do, etc. Banks have been acting recklessly alright. There's nothing stopping you from doing the same.

    Borrow money, invest it properly, offload your debts to the next schmuck, profit.

    ^

    This.


  • #65
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I'm still in college and still hoping that one day soon the Irish people (and Europeans in general) will wake the f*ck up. That next time there's an occupy movement, we won't be dismissed.

    The cohesive message was simply that people should control how their country is run and not a small clique of unelected financial executives and old golfing buddies. Is that such an awful thing to aspire to? Y'know, democracy? :confused:


  • #66
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Sergeant wrote: »
    Change is all well and good, but it helps to have an idea of why change is needed, how that is going to be achieved, and most importantly what the change is. None of this was communicated. It was a spectacularly amateurish effort -seeming to be comprised mostly of a bunch of ne'er do wells and crusties sitting around in tents playing the bongo.

    The idea was to spark exactly that kind of discussion. Why should people have to be spoonfed an agenda and then decide whether to adopt it? In a democracy we should be forming the agenda together as population. It shouldn't be limited to just picking from a mixed bag of platforms to either become a follower of or not. The government should be following OUR wishes, not the other way around.


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  • #67
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The idea was to spark exactly that kind of discussion. Why should people have to be spoonfed an agenda and then decide whether to adopt it? In a democracy we should be forming the agenda together as population. It shouldn't be limited to just picking from a mixed bag of platforms to either become a follower of or not. The government should be following OUR wishes, not the other way around.

    Nonsense. There are enough pensioners and unemployed in this country to vote for a doubling of the state/pension and the dole. That would be their wish.
    But the governments job is to govern for the greater good of our country. If they don't we vote them out per FF.


  • #68
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The idea was to spark exactly that kind of discussion. Why should people have to be spoonfed an agenda and then decide whether to adopt it? In a democracy we should be forming the agenda together as population. It shouldn't be limited to just picking from a mixed bag of platforms to either become a follower of or not. The government should be following OUR wishes, not the other way around.
    So in other words this boils down to, "No, you're doing democracy wrong, you're supposed to vote the way that we want you to vote".


  • #69
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    Nonsense. There are enough pensioners and unemployed in this country to vote for a doubling of the state/pension and the dole. That would be their wish.
    But the governments job is to govern for the greater good of our country. If they don't we vote them out per FF.

    Nonsense. The government governs for their own good and for the good of their powerful friends. Any benefit to the rest of us is simply an unintended side effect.
    It's blindingly obvious to anyone that those at the top have not suffered from the global meltdown like ordinary people have. Even taking Cyprus, I'll bet you'd discover that the elite had enough advance warning to move their savings the hell out of there before the banks were locked down this week.

    As I said over on politics, when do you see the former banking execs who destroyed the financial sector having their homes repossessed, or queuing up for dole payments, or having to sell everything they have, just like so many of their victims?
    .......Didn't think so.


  • #70
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,569 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Nonsense. The government governs for their own good and for the good of their powerful friends. Any benefit to the rest of us is simply an unintended side effect.
    It's blindingly obvious to anyone that those at the top have not suffered from the global meltdown like ordinary people have. Even taking Cyprus, I'll bet you'd discover that the elite had enough advance warning to move their savings the hell out of there before the banks were locked down this week.

    As I said over on politics, when do you see the former banking execs who destroyed the financial sector having their homes repossessed, or queuing up for dole payments, or having to sell everything they have, just like so many of their victims?
    .......Didn't think so.

    Of course those who are richer haven't suffered the same. You would have to be a total fool to think that they ever would, or that they even should.

    Do you propose we strip the wealth from anyone who is remotely well off?

    The usual waffle, zero substance. Throw in a few "victims" and other emotive terms to try and sweeten it up and serve it up on a big platter of nonsense.


  • #71
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    awec wrote: »
    Of course those who are richer haven't suffered the same. You would have to be a total fool to think that they ever would, or that they even should.

    Do you propose we strip the wealth from anyone who is remotely well off?

    The usual waffle, zero substance. Throw in a few "victims" and other emotive terms to try and sweeten it up and serve it up on a big platter of nonsense.

    You're equating "at the top" with "richer". I would have thought it was obvious that's not what I meant.
    I meant in terms of power and influence.

    And I do believe that people like Seanie, if found guilty of fraud, should have their assets seized by the CAB, to whatever amount they defrauded, and used to contribute to paying off our bailout loan.
    What exactly is illogical about that? They made a mess, they can pay for it. You and me weren't involved, we shouldn't be paying for it.


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  • #72
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Nonsense. The government governs for their own good and for the good of their powerful friends. Any benefit to the rest of us is simply an unintended side effect.
    It's blindingly obvious to anyone that those at the top have not suffered from the global meltdown like ordinary people have. Even taking Cyprus, I'll bet you'd discover that the elite had enough advance warning to move their savings the hell out of there before the banks were locked down this week.

    As I said over on politics, when do you see the former banking execs who destroyed the financial sector having their homes repossessed, or queuing up for dole payments, or having to sell everything they have, just like so many of their victims?
    .......Didn't think so.

    Rubbish.

    I'm an ordinary person and I haven't "suffered" from the global meltown. And I am sure there are many more "ordinary people" in the same situation.


  • #73
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,569 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    You're equating "at the top" with "richer". I would have thought it was obvious that's not what I meant.
    I meant in terms of power and influence.

    And I do believe that people like Seanie, if found guilty of fraud, should have their assets seized by the CAB, to whatever amount they defrauded, and used to contribute to paying off our bailout loan.
    What exactly is illogical about that? They made a mess, they can pay for it. You and me weren't involved, we shouldn't be paying for it.
    It's not really obvious at all what you mean.

    Who does pay for it if not you and me? You think Sean Fitzpatrick's assets are going to pay off Ireland's debt?!

    Ireland as a collective got itself into this mess. People taking out absurd mortgages and loans on properties. There is only so much you can pin this on bankers and financial institutions, a lot of the blame has to go on the people (i.e. the ones like me and you) being unbelievably stupid.

    As I've said before, did the people taking out these ridiculous mortgages really think that the arse was never going to fall out of it? Did they really think there would be no knock on effect for the amount of spending they were doing on credit?


  • #74
    Dravokivich
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The idea was to spark exactly that kind of discussion.

    Yet all it was, was noise.


  • #75
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    What utter tripe. It didn't have ANY of the solutions required, because it couldn't present ANY solutions. And its incredibly disingenuous to accuse people of wanting to be spoon fed. If a movement wants our support it needs to be able to tell us WHY they deserve our sport. Thats not being spoon fed, thats just rational human beings thinking rationally.


    Being rational human beings ? You think its rational continuing on using the same failed structure for financial institutions by following the same morons who failed running this very same system?

    If the only thing that people will follow is a solution then they want to be spoonfed, its really that simple. Revolutions dont happen because all the answers are in place, they happen because people have enough of the current way of living.

    The occupy movement was a propaganda revolution of sorts, trying to break the control that right wing media has over the masses. Who else can afford a newspaper/tv ? You dont think that the news is bias ? That information and educational material is bias ? You dont think that we are learning history written by the victors that may not be completely accurate ?

    We would be a mroe informed society if we asked more questions, instead of just accepting at face the sh*te we are spoonfed by a government backed by large vested interest groups (Galway tent might be gone, but there are still "contributions" getting to our politicians) and a media thats owned by rich people who have every interest in protecting the current status quo.

    The irrefutable truth, that nobody can argue is that people with the most money have the most to lose by change. Coincidentally they also happen to be the people with the most access to world leaders and the world media. Its no conpiracy, its just a simple fact of life, but it only continues because people have gotten it into their heads that the only change that can happen is when somebody has a pain free solution. .

    Here you go . . Strategically make it impossible for large privately owned corporations around the world to be financial bailed out by governments, in any scenario . . Theres a start . . Instead of coming up with reasons why it cant be done (which will be the first port of call for the defenders of the current status quo), perhaps start there . .

    Then perhaps we could look at how we value human life as a species. Instead of hiding behin the lazy "human nature" argument, why dont we actively plan to have society's whereby food, water, housing, education and health are equal for everybody. If you want your hd tv, swimming pool or fancy car, thats what you work for (so no communism needed).

    Theres a goal . . I dont have to have all the answers and Since Im not an economist wouldnt have them anyways. I can tell you , I dont have a solution for cancer either, but does that we shouldnt bother as a species trying to find a cure ?

    The current system is cancerous and the occupy movement in my opinion was about trying to shock some life back into the stale, conformed thinking of society. . Right now, pretty much all governments and countries are in fear of the markets and financial institutions and they are doing nothing to actually take back control. This is again an irrefutable fact because the only reason any bank is bailed out is because of the fear of the potential ramifications. Its not bailed out because "its the right thing to do" or "because its right for the people", its because the way the system has been allowed to grow, it could have devestating effects on everybody (irrepective of their relationship with the institution). . If you think this is rational thinking by rational people, then good luck to you . .


  • #76
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Whatever about the Occupy movement itself, it's funny that those so vocally opposed to their 'tired and cheap rhetoric' here, are engaging in incredibly tired and cheap rhetoric themselves.
    It was a spectacularly amateurish effort -seeming to be comprised mostly of a bunch of ne'er do wells and crusties sitting around in tents playing the bongo.
    cannot say I miss the sight of some crustie, sleep heavy in his eyes
    That dreadlocks really don't suit pasty Irish men
    The entire protest movement in general appears to be filled with this type of gibberish. Vague slogans and a couple of soundbites

    :rolleyes:


  • #77
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    starlings wrote: »
    Do you really think that

    1. People who disagree with you are close-minded and stupid, and
    2. insulting them is a good means of persuasion?

    This is why it didn't work.

    I didnt say people who disagree with me are close minded and stupid, I said this current generation is close minded and stupid . . Im not asking for anybody to agree with me, nor do I need anybody to validate my view. Its quite easy to see when you can stand back from everything and take an objective view, how stupid we are as a species (wont waste your time going into this point unless you request it).

    Im not looking to persuade them to understand what I am saying. People see what they want to see and ignore what they want to ignore. I guess im just venting at the idiocy of humanity.

    If your focus on the occupy movement is the fact that it was hippies or homeless people, then that is all you will see. You wont care what the general message is, you will just see a bunch of left wing lazy people wasting other peoples time . .

    I have little faith in humanity as it is, so I mean it when I say its nothing personal. If people really want change they will stop focusing on things that are irrelevant and start focusing on the most important thing "the message". .

    People keep trying to debunk the wallstreet movement by attacking individuals at the rallies or stupid things that were said. That means they are choosing not to focus on the main message which really isnt rocket science. For me its that the way the financial institions (and investors) are run and allowed to be run is wrong. The way they can impact entire countries is wrong. The way they have little moral hazzard is wrong.

    There is nothing wrong with stating something is wrong and it does not automatically require you to have a solution. Even at that, theres no point in having a solution until people are willing to make a sacrifice to achieve a better longer term alternative.

    Incidentally, you need to understand what the occupy's strategy was first before you can call it a failure. If you were expecting widespread revolution and change then you would of course view it as a failure. I wouldnt want to make that call either way, but what it did succeed in is letting people know that there are alternatives to just putting up with the current sh*te. Maybe the next occupy movement will be more productive (when another inevitable financial crash happens).


  • #78
    Aughrim1691.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭Aughrim1691.


    Valetta wrote: »
    Rubbish.

    I'm an ordinary person and I haven't "suffered" from the global meltown. And I am sure there are many more "ordinary people" in the same situation.
    A lot of people have suffered though. While the bankers got let off free and big bonuses paid out, the normal citizen was left hanging by a shoe string.

    The occupy movement was bad because it wasn't a revolution with the people willing to take a stand and fight for their rights. Same old story as history shows. The elite in society make the most out of the misery of the poor and it is the poor left to clean up the mess which the elite left behind.

    No doubt the Irish Republic will recover but it will be a rinse and repeat recover more than anything. It will not be a proper revolutionary recovery which is set up to best serve the citizens.

    Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.


  • #79
    RobbingBandit
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    They all died off, their natural food source the Head Shops closed so they are extinct now.


  • #80
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Aughrim1691. wrote: »
    A lot of people have suffered though. While the bankers got let off free and big bonuses paid out, the normal citizen was left hanging by a shoe string.

    .

    And once again a generalisation is made to exagerate a point. This only serves to devalue any argument you may have had.

    I am a "normal citizen" and I'm not left "hanging by a shoe string" and there are many more like me.


  • #81
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Sh1te in a Ditch wrote: »
    I was walking home from my girlfriend's house down Dame Street at some point last year when i spotted a friend of mine leaning over the fence and chatting up one of the Occupy protestors.

    I ambled over and chatted to him. The girl asked us inside. I said i would step inside the fence if she could tell me why they were there. She couldnt. A guy came out of one of the tents and started giving me abuse. I kept simply saying to him "ok, you're not happy with the current system, what's your solution?".

    Needless to say he wasnt happy. Still dont know what their alternative to the status quo was. It hasnt been outlined in this thread either. Ah well!

    First post :eek:


    Their solution was building a shed on Dame street.

    had to laugh when I saw that.

    Stupid crusties


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  • #82
    Aughrim1691.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭Aughrim1691.


    Valetta wrote: »
    And once again a generalisation is made to exagerate a point. This only serves to devalue any argument you may have had.

    I am a "normal citizen" and I'm not left "hanging by a shoe string" and there are many more like me.
    You take a look at the people who put the Irish Republic in the mess it is in and you will notice you are left hanging by a shoe strong compared to the people running off into the shadows with cases full of cash and no responsibility for what they did.

    The truth is the people in the Irish Republic generally don't give a **** which is the truth. You are always willing to just sit down and take a beating because its the same old mentality, it will be alright in the morning. Well it is going to get worse for you. The country is in a complete mess. People can't get out quick enough and your economic sovereignty is gone.

    Let the elite bollocks your country up, reap the rewards while the citizens of that country will just have to trod along and repeat the sorry situation all over again. Its almost like a computer virus which hasn't be deleted.


  • #83
    Brooklynn Tender Penicillin
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Brooklynn Tender Penicillin


    G Power wrote: »
    did they not?? they achieved a lot given the very limited support they got. people are still talking about them with mainly the same ignorance as they did while the camp was there!!

    Yeah, that's a big achievement

    Maybe it's because the camp had no idea why they were there other than a good old whinge about everything in their lives they didn't like, from RTE to whatever else they had signs up about


  • #84
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Aughrim1691. wrote: »
    You take a look at the people who put the Irish Republic in the mess it is in and you will notice you are left hanging by a shoe strong compared to the people running off into the shadows with cases full of cash and no responsibility for what they did.

    The truth is the people in the Irish Republic generally don't give a **** which is the truth. You are always willing to just sit down and take a beating because its the same old mentality, it will be alright in the morning. Well it is going to get worse for you. The country is in a complete mess. People can't get out quick enough and your economic sovereignty is gone.

    Let the elite bollocks your country up, reap the rewards while the citizens of that country will just have to trod along and repeat the sorry situation all over again. Its almost like a computer virus which hasn't be deleted.

    Ah... so it's now hanging by a shoe string "compared to the people running off into the shadows with cases full of cash and no responsibility for what they did."

    What a sad, petty, begrudging and bitter attitude.

    My economic sovereignty is not gone.


  • #85
    Sergeant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    Aughrim1691. wrote: »
    You take a look at the people who put the Irish Republic in the mess it is in and you will notice you are left hanging by a shoe strong compared to the people running off into the shadows with cases full of cash and no responsibility for what they did.

    The truth is the people in the Irish Republic generally don't give a **** which is the truth. You are always willing to just sit down and take a beating because its the same old mentality, it will be alright in the morning. Well it is going to get worse for you. The country is in a complete mess. People can't get out quick enough and your economic sovereignty is gone.

    Let the elite bollocks your country up, reap the rewards while the citizens of that country will just have to trod along and repeat the sorry situation all over again. Its almost like a computer virus which hasn't be deleted.


    Yet more rhetoric and hyperbole designed to hide the fact that there was no alternative proposed, only some vague grudge against 'bankers'.

    Look at your language: hanging by a shoe string, running off into the shadows with cases full of cash, complete mess, elite bollocks, computer virus which hasn't be deleted.

    It seems to boil down to this:

    Anger at people with more money than us.
    Shambolic protest with no central message or alternatives.
    ?
    ?
    Revolution
    A utopia for the people.


  • #86
    starlings
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    Drumpot wrote: »
    I didnt say people who disagree with me are close minded and stupid, I said this current generation is close minded and stupid . . Im not asking for anybody to agree with me, nor do I need anybody to validate my view. Its quite easy to see when you can stand back from everything and take an objective view, how stupid we are as a species (wont waste your time going into this point unless you request it).

    Im not looking to persuade them to understand what I am saying. People see what they want to see and ignore what they want to ignore. I guess im just venting at the idiocy of humanity.

    If your focus on the occupy movement is the fact that it was hippies or homeless people, then that is all you will see. You wont care what the general message is, you will just see a bunch of left wing lazy people wasting other peoples time . .

    I have little faith in humanity as it is, so I mean it when I say its nothing personal. If people really want change they will stop focusing on things that are irrelevant and start focusing on the most important thing "the message". .

    People keep trying to debunk the wallstreet movement by attacking individuals at the rallies or stupid things that were said. That means they are choosing not to focus on the main message which really isnt rocket science. For me its that the way the financial institions (and investors) are run and allowed to be run is wrong. The way they can impact entire countries is wrong. The way they have little moral hazzard is wrong.

    There is nothing wrong with stating something is wrong and it does not automatically require you to have a solution. Even at that, theres no point in having a solution until people are willing to make a sacrifice to achieve a better longer term alternative.

    Incidentally, you need to understand what the occupy's strategy was first before you can call it a failure. If you were expecting widespread revolution and change then you would of course view it as a failure. I wouldnt want to make that call either way, but what it did succeed in is letting people know that there are alternatives to just putting up with the current sh*te. Maybe the next occupy movement will be more productive (when another inevitable financial crash happens).

    Who do you mean by "current generation"? Still a sweeping statement.

    Your venting might give you some relief, but do you have to vent it all over everyone else in a public protest?

    I never got a grasp on what Occupy was, apart from a venting machine, because of what may have been hijacking by people and agendas unrelated to the question of big business and power.

    I think there actually is something wrong with stating that something is wrong without coming up with a solution. I'd prefer if Occupy had set some kind of framework and timetable for delivering a manifesto of some sort. It didn't, so all it amounted to was complaint. And anyone can complain - in fact some people seem to enjoy it - but it's not a movement I'd join.

    I'm baffled that you'd say there's no point in having a solution until people are ready to make a sacrifice. People are already making sacrifices just to get by so I doubt they'd be willing to sacrifice more without good reason and an educated guess as to the consequences of what you might be asking them to give up for "a better alternative" that you won't even outline.


  • #87
    geeky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    G Power wrote: »
    * this is in contrast to the long list of factual high level mischief the "elite" have been up too!!

    Not saying nobody in the "elite" have been up to some kind of mischief, just that Occupy's level of getting-in-the-way was low compared to the Dame Street protest.
    G Power wrote: »
    ** so now protestors are only allowed have particular brands of devices?? or maybe they should be hauling a blackboard and chalk around with them is it??

    I never said that. I just said it was inexplicable that someone would have a Macbook, or any kind of laptop, while chasing a bureaucrat from one place to another.


  • #88
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,569 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think a lot of this comes down to just failure to take responsibility for your own actions.

    How many people who are worse off now are the ones who took out bumper mortgages on stupid properties at the height of the boom? Who ended up owning multiple properties? This was not just the elite, but the "normal" citizen.

    The guy who said earlier about making people smarter is partly true. I don't think the current generation of Irish people will be as daft as to take out mortgages that vastly inflate the actual value of the property. Paying unbelievable prices for 2 bedroom apartments.

    Surely, surely these people realised that prices wouldn't magically rise forever?!

    The people are just as much to blame as the banks, a fact that's totally ignored by these crusty lefty protest types.


  • #89
    Aughrim1691.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭Aughrim1691.


    Sergeant wrote: »
    Yet more rhetoric and hyperbole designed to hide the fact that there was no alternative proposed, only some vague grudge against 'bankers'.

    Look at your language: hanging by a shoe string, running off into the shadows with cases full of cash, complete mess, elite bollocks, computer virus which hasn't be deleted.

    It seems to boil down to this:

    Anger at people with more money than us.
    Shambolic protest with no central message or alternatives.
    ?
    ?
    Revolution
    A utopia for the people.
    No one should begrudge citizens who aspire to improve themselves and generate wealth. When you put the countries future in the hands of bankers who are in it for themselves and completely destroy the country, then yes you should begrudge them for f*cking you over.


  • #90
    Brooklynn Tender Penicillin
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Brooklynn Tender Penicillin


    The govt were the ones socialising private debts - maybe you should think about what direction to aim your ire at


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  • #91
    nelly17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭nelly17


    I'll be the first to admit I did not pay a blind bit of notice to the Occupy movement - too busy with my commuter belt daily commute and generally trying to build a better life for my kids under the conditions we currently have (or had).

    But it seems to me that a lot of people on here seem to be of the opinion that Protestors need to have the solution.

    I dont think this is the case they are not the ones taking the six figure salaries, they are simply opposed and have a right to express that opinion.


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