revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

mikom · 20-03-2013 10:22PM

MadsL wrote: »

Now there has been quite enough about me in this thread, I suggest we get back to discussing the tax.

The tax you are not paying?

relax carry on · 20-03-2013 10:27PM

newbie2013 wrote: »

Havent recieved any letter yet but when i do its going in the bin

Just in case this was not highlighted enough in this and other threads:
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/lpt/lpt-faqs.pdf
10.1 What if I refuse to pay?
• When Revenue sends you your LPT Return form, we will also include a
Revenue Estimate of your LPT liability. It is important to note that this
Revenue Estimate is not a valuation of a property nor should it be
regarded as an accurate calculation of LPT liability.
• If you don’t send back the LPT Return form and your self assessment of your LPT liability, Revenue’s Estimate of your LPT liability will be collected using normal collection/enforcement options – deduction at source, sheriff, court action, attachment orders.
• Interest and penalties may also apply.
• In circumstances where standard enforcement is not applied for whatever
reason, then a charge will be put on your property. You won’t be able to sell it without paying the tax together with interest and, where appropriate, penalties.

10.2 What if I haven’t paid the correct amount?
• Revenue will provide guidelines to assist property owners in assessing the
value of their property in March 2013.
• Revenue will not be valuing properties for LPT purposes.
• The guidelines will help property owners establish average/indicative
values for properties in their area.
• Each property owner will need to consider the specifics of their own
property when using Revenue’s valuation guidelines.
• If you follow Revenue’s valuation guidelines honestly, we will accept your
property value assessment.
• If Revenue has reason to believe that the amount you have declared on your Return does not reflect the market value of your property, we may raise an assessment for a different amount.

10.3 What will happen if I don’t pay on time or in accordance with my agreed
payment arrangements?
Interest charges will apply to the late payment of property tax for 2013, with effect from 1 July 2013.

10.4 Do I have to send Revenue back the LPT Return form or can I just pay the LPT due?

• It is important to note that you will have to submit your return and pay the
amount of LPT due based on the self-assessed value of your property.
• If you pay the Revenue Estimate amount, you will still have to file your LPT
Return form with the self-assessed value of your property.
• Revenue will follow up with you if you do not submit your LPT Return form.
10.5 How will Revenue ensure that self-employed liable property owners
comply?
• If you are self-employed and don’t send back your LPT Return form and your
self assessment of your LPT liability, the tax set out in the Revenue Estimate
will be collected using normal collection/enforcement options – sheriff, court
action, attachment orders.
• If you are self-employed and fail to pay your LPT, Revenue will not issue you
with a tax clearance certificate.
• A self-employed liable person who fails to submit his or her LPT return on
time may incur a surcharge for the late submission of his or her income tax
return, regardless of whether or not the income tax return is submitted on time.
• Where LPT remains outstanding a charge will attach to that property. This
charge will have to be discharged on the sale/transfer of the property

Banjo String · 20-03-2013 10:31PM

relax carry on wrote: »

Just in case this was not highlighted enough in this and other threads:
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/lpt/lpt-faqs.pdf
10.1 What if I refuse to pay?
• When Revenue sends you your LPT Return form, we will also include a
Revenue Estimate of your LPT liability. It is important to note that this
Revenue Estimate is not a valuation of a property nor should it be
regarded as an accurate calculation of LPT liability.
• If you don’t send back the LPT Return form and your self assessment of your LPT liability, Revenue’s Estimate of your LPT liability will be collected using normal collection/enforcement options – deduction at source, sheriff, court action, attachment orders.
• Interest and penalties may also apply.
• In circumstances where standard enforcement is not applied for whatever
reason, then a charge will be put on your property. You won’t be able to sell it without paying the tax together with interest and, where appropriate, penalties.

10.2 What if I haven’t paid the correct amount?
• Revenue will provide guidelines to assist property owners in assessing the
value of their property in March 2013.
• Revenue will not be valuing properties for LPT purposes.
• The guidelines will help property owners establish average/indicative
values for properties in their area.
• Each property owner will need to consider the specifics of their own
property when using Revenue’s valuation guidelines.
• If you follow Revenue’s valuation guidelines honestly, we will accept your
property value assessment.
• If Revenue has reason to believe that the amount you have declared on your Return does not reflect the market value of your property, we may raise an assessment for a different amount.

10.3 What will happen if I don’t pay on time or in accordance with my agreed
payment arrangements?
Interest charges will apply to the late payment of property tax for 2013, with effect from 1 July 2013.

10.4 Do I have to send Revenue back the LPT Return form or can I just pay the LPT due?

• It is important to note that you will have to submit your return and pay the
amount of LPT due based on the self-assessed value of your property.
• If you pay the Revenue Estimate amount, you will still have to file your LPT
Return form with the self-assessed value of your property.
• Revenue will follow up with you if you do not submit your LPT Return form.
10.5 How will Revenue ensure that self-employed liable property owners
comply?
• If you are self-employed and don’t send back your LPT Return form and your
self assessment of your LPT liability, the tax set out in the Revenue Estimate
will be collected using normal collection/enforcement options – sheriff, court
action, attachment orders.
• If you are self-employed and fail to pay your LPT, Revenue will not issue you
with a tax clearance certificate.
• A self-employed liable person who fails to submit his or her LPT return on
time may incur a surcharge for the late submission of his or her income tax
return, regardless of whether or not the income tax return is submitted on time.
• Where LPT remains outstanding a charge will attach to that property. This
charge will have to be discharged on the sale/transfer of the property

how will the deceased/ not the property owners fair out in that legislation btw?

Bruthal · 20-03-2013 10:39PM

MadsL wrote: »

If you have any suggestion for isolating those who did and making them pay relatively more tax I'd love to hear them.

Where was the buy to let market driven from, home buyers was it? Renters I'd say.

MadsL · 20-03-2013 10:57PM

mikom wrote: »

The tax you are not paying?

I wasn't aware it was a free speech tax.

MadsL · 20-03-2013 10:59PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Where was the buy to let market driven from, home buyers was it? Renters I'd say.

immigrants mostly. Here to build more rental properties.

Banjo String · 20-03-2013 11:06PM

MadsL wrote: »

Just like no-one forced you to pay stamp duty nor the LPT.

Couldn't buy the home without the stamp duty, so forced to a certain extent.

MadsL wrote: »

Observant, and lacking in a sense of humour aren't you.

I've a good sense of humor.
Don't like people playing the poor mouth though that's all.

MadsL wrote: »

How do you feel about him lying about the constitution and this DDI /?

I would like to see him get people's vote over the FG candidate.
Cronyism in Ireland at its highest by the FG party, something they said they'd end when in govt. Yet, they put a young woman up for her dead fathers seat, and him barely cold.

Besides, didn't the current coalition lie through their teeth?

Done them no harm.

MadsL wrote: »

I'm a goalpost shifter, at least that is what I have been accused of.

Quoted from your good self:

MadsL wrote: »

Observant, and lacking in a sense of humour aren't you.

MadsL wrote: »

According to you I should have stayed.

No, I didn't. I said it 'was an option in front of you'

MadsL wrote: »

Given they are six times the level that you are whining about, yes, yes I do. Do you think you have it so bad?

Stamp duty? Did you pay that upon buying the house?

MadsL wrote: »

And there's the thing that gets you, the old how dare emigrants tell us anything. That's why they are denied the vote isn't it? Ireland loathes emigrants. Nothing new there...perhaps you should be less of a cliche.

News to me. Seriously, never knew it.

You're living the American dream I can see anyway. Fair play to you.

MadsL wrote: »

Now there has been quite enough about me in this thread, I suggest we get back to discussing the tax.

The tax that won't affect you in any shape or form?

darkhorse · 20-03-2013 11:24PM

MadsL wrote: »

If you have any suggestion for isolating those who did and making them pay relatively more tax I'd love to hear them.

Why not stone them?

Banjo String · 20-03-2013 11:40PM

darkhorse wrote: »

Why not stone them?

Then exile them.

Forced emigration I believe it's called these days. :rolleyes:

rameire · 20-03-2013 11:59PM

http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/FileDownLoad,32636,en.pdf

Ghost estate exemption list

mikom · 21-03-2013 12:12AM

MadsL wrote: »

I wasn't aware it was a free speech tax.

No?
Well that'll be the upcoming broadcasting tax............... another one the Irish in Amerikay will not have to pay.

newbie2013 · 21-03-2013 12:24AM

relax carry on wrote: »

Just in case this was not highlighted enough in this and other threads:
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/lpt/lpt-faqs.pdf
10.1 What if I refuse to pay?
• When Revenue sends you your LPT Return form, we will also include a
Revenue Estimate of your LPT liability. It is important to note that this
Revenue Estimate is not a valuation of a property nor should it be
regarded as an accurate calculation of LPT liability.
• If you don’t send back the LPT Return form and your self assessment of your LPT liability, Revenue’s Estimate of your LPT liability will be collected using normal collection/enforcement options – deduction at source, sheriff, court action, attachment orders.
• Interest and penalties may also apply.
• In circumstances where standard enforcement is not applied for whatever
reason, then a charge will be put on your property. You won’t be able to sell it without paying the tax together with interest and, where appropriate, penalties.

10.2 What if I haven’t paid the correct amount?
• Revenue will provide guidelines to assist property owners in assessing the
value of their property in March 2013.
• Revenue will not be valuing properties for LPT purposes.
• The guidelines will help property owners establish average/indicative
values for properties in their area.
• Each property owner will need to consider the specifics of their own
property when using Revenue’s valuation guidelines.
• If you follow Revenue’s valuation guidelines honestly, we will accept your
property value assessment.
• If Revenue has reason to believe that the amount you have declared on your Return does not reflect the market value of your property, we may raise an assessment for a different amount.

10.3 What will happen if I don’t pay on time or in accordance with my agreed
payment arrangements?
Interest charges will apply to the late payment of property tax for 2013, with effect from 1 July 2013.

10.4 Do I have to send Revenue back the LPT Return form or can I just pay the LPT due?

• It is important to note that you will have to submit your return and pay the
amount of LPT due based on the self-assessed value of your property.
• If you pay the Revenue Estimate amount, you will still have to file your LPT
Return form with the self-assessed value of your property.
• Revenue will follow up with you if you do not submit your LPT Return form.
10.5 How will Revenue ensure that self-employed liable property owners
comply?
• If you are self-employed and don’t send back your LPT Return form and your
self assessment of your LPT liability, the tax set out in the Revenue Estimate
will be collected using normal collection/enforcement options – sheriff, court
action, attachment orders.
• If you are self-employed and fail to pay your LPT, Revenue will not issue you
with a tax clearance certificate.
• A self-employed liable person who fails to submit his or her LPT return on
time may incur a surcharge for the late submission of his or her income tax
return, regardless of whether or not the income tax return is submitted on time.
• Where LPT remains outstanding a charge will attach to that property. This
charge will have to be discharged on the sale/transfer of the property

Looks like ill just have to open this letter then. BASTARDS! Im actully selling my house at a price i think whats the market value but some people say its undervalued. Will i be liable for more tax if i sell it under the market value thou IMO there is no market value in ireland nomore.

newbie2013 · 21-03-2013 12:26AM

Forgot to add that im on the dole and have debts including to thee tax man,what if i cant pay it.

barneystinson · 21-03-2013 12:28AM

SamHall wrote: »

In saying that though, stamp duty was attached to the home then in lieu of a property tax.

Stamp duty was not in lieu of property tax, where are you pulling that from??

Plenty of other countries have property taxes and stamp duty where one or both are at rates similar to or exceeding ours, and pay water rates etc. as well. Why should we be the exception?

And don't give me any shyte about the money being wasted by the Government / local authorities; we all elected them, it's up to us to hold them accountable.

MadsL · 21-03-2013 12:58AM

darkhorse wrote: »

Why not stone them?

As satifsying as that may be to watch I cannot see how, short of charging admission, that woůld address that debt black hole.

fussyonion · 21-03-2013 01:01AM

Friend of mine has a council house and she received a letter from Revenue today telling her she has to pay the property tax.
She's renting from the council..what should she do?!

squod · 21-03-2013 01:33AM

fussyonion wrote: »

Friend of mine has a council house and she received a letter from Revenue today telling her she has to pay the property tax.
She's renting from the council..what should she do?!

She'll have to pay twice, plus interest & penalties. It's either that or move to America and bitch and moan about how she had to move to America for the rest of her natural life.

MadsL · 21-03-2013 01:41AM

squod wrote: »

She'll have to pay twice, plus interest & penalties. It's either that or move to America and bitch and moan about how she had to move to America for the rest of her natural life.

Where she will be told by anyone who didn't emigrate that she is no longer allowed an opinion on anything to do with the old sod. 'Cus them's the rules.

Andy454 · 21-03-2013 04:33AM

MadsL wrote: »

As satifsying as that may be to watch I cannot see how, short of charging admission, that woůld address that debt black hole.

It would make a start!

The Simpsons - Apu: Where's a gun-toting lowlife when you need one?

I got mine today, i put it straight in the bin, although, I was tempted to wipe my ass with it and send it back to them! ( I think I might sign all my correspondance in this way from now on!)

I got another one from management company telling me their gonna clamp my car in my drive if I don't pay their charges! ha, that went in the bin too!

Le_Dieux · 21-03-2013 06:59AM

MadsL wrote: »

Perhaps when you are forced to emigrate you'll appreciate the experience, however many, many of that wide and very general group were cheerleaders of that property boom.

Am Back from my sojourn.

While on my sin-binning, I was reading the comments. I swore I wouldn't answer MadsL anymore, as I knew my blood would boil again and I would end up with a longer ban.

HOWEVER, I just couldn't let this go without commenting: I too was left with no choice but to emigrate during the last recession - mid 80's. I emigrated to South Africa, and became a dual national.

Around 2001, the Irish Governemt of the day sent a delegation to South Africa looking for workers, as they were having problems at home with lack of skills. This was huge news in SA, and was on all the news bulletins for as long as the govt. of the day was out there. I didn't come back, but eventually, the industry I was in collapsed, and I couldn't get re-employed as my skin wasn't the right colour, so before my savings dwindled to non-existence, I came back to Ireland.

Am I bitter over what has happened? NO. Life must go on, I just wish You would brush that chip off Your shoulder.

Now, please don't lecture me on the rights and wrongs of going to such a society in the 80's, as I won't be able to see the comment, as I too am ignoring You from here on in.

Chinasea · 21-03-2013 09:12AM

SamHall wrote: »

As a non home owner in Ireland, actually as a non resident in Ireland, why is this whole property tax issue such concern to you?

Again, this insular mé feín constant train of thought - ye know:
"I only care about what directly affects me, nothing else, no bigger picture, my entitlement, my back yard, my daughters back yard, my umpteen ever expanding grandchildren's back yard, and it's just great cause all the rest that happens around me is just magic'ed.

Banjo String · 21-03-2013 09:36AM

Chinasea wrote: »

Again, this insular mé feín constant train of thought - ye know:
"I only care about what directly affects me, nothing else, no bigger picture, my entitlement, my back yard, my daughters back yard, my umpteen ever expanding grandchildren's back yard, and it's just great cause all the rest that happens around me is just magic'ed.

Change the script.

Please.

What have you brought to this thread only your favorite phrase of "mé féin" seriously?

I stand by my decision and my reasons for refusing to pay this tax voluntary.

I'm self sufficient, and I do not depend on anyone else to feed, house nor clothe me and mine.

When you bring something else worth discussing I'll entertain your thoughts again.

bgrizzley · 21-03-2013 11:01AM

barneystinson wrote: »

And don't give me any shyte about the money being wasted by the Government / local authorities; we all elected them, it's up to us to hold them accountable.

no, you elected them.
one minute its dont vote FF back, next its dont vote SF in, then its vote this crowd out- you guys talk a lot through your respective hats. Democracy is broken in our banana republic, there is no voting out, only replacing them with other chancers.

there's only one way to hold the government accountable and thats stem the flow of gravy.

Now get off the interwebs and do your bit for your country by not paying this tax...

Chinasea · 21-03-2013 11:25AM

SamHall wrote: »

What have you brought to this thread only your favorite phrase of "mé féin" seriously?

I stand by my decision and my reasons for refusing to pay this tax voluntary.

I don't think anything will get past the blinkers you have on Sam. I have reminded you of your post #250 several times where you are advocating people engage painters, plasters, plumbers at cash in hand rates or on the black market. How do we square that one off????

I'm all ears - but then again that is the whole me fein thing that I believe is your modus operandi life style. You haven't in all your hopeful attempts to egg others on shown anything to lead me to believe that you are anything other than single minded. And this becomes my problem, your problem, the nation's problem and so on. Not good for that big auld ailen concept of yours 'The Bigger Picture'.

Irishcrx · 21-03-2013 11:40AM

I didn't pay the household charge last year and I won't be paying this new tax either. No matter what way they spin this it's just another way of reaching into the pockets of the people to cough up extra funds. No matter what is said on internet forums , most people will pay it because that's what this country has become and it's why it is so easy for government to continue to attack the lower and middle class people , because we moan and moan but that's all we do and then we pay.

Look at this list of what a general homeowner has propably paid out and has in monthly charges already.

* PRSI
* UNSC (Another gem)
* Mortgage
* House insurance
* Life assurance
* Car tax
* Petrol costs (High as they are with tax)
* ESB
* Gas
* Internet
* School fee's
* TV Licence
* Water charges (Again a gem)

It seems like it won't stop until they have bled every drop of disposable income out of the pockets of the lower and middle class , and will then still stand still wondering why the economy can't improve. IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ****ING MONEY TO SPEND WITH YOU MORONS TAKING EVERY PENNY FROM US IN TAX!

And for anyone who said you rent your land from the state , you do not. They put it for sale , I buy it and build a house and pay them their fee and charges/stamp duty. Now I own the land and the house , that's what I paid for. Property tax my arse, what service are you offering for this tax , how does it benefit me and my family/friends/ neighbours.

Banjo String · 21-03-2013 12:04PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

I didn't pay the household charge last year and I won't be paying this new tax either. No matter what way they spin this it's just another way of reaching into the pockets of the people to cough up extra funds. No matter what is said on internet forums , most people will pay it because that's what this country has become and it's why it is so easy for government to continue to attack the lower and middle class people , because we moan and moan but that's all we do and then we pay.

Look at this list of what a general homeowner has propably paid out and has in monthly charges already.

* PRSI
* UNSC (Another gem)
* Mortgage
* House insurance
* Life assurance
* Car tax
* Petrol costs (High as they are with tax)
* ESB
* Gas
* Internet
* School fee's
* TV Licence
* Water charges (Again a gem)

It seems like it won't stop until they have bled every drop of disposable income out of the pockets of the lower and middle class , and will then still stand still wondering why the economy can't improve. IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ****ING MONEY TO SPEND WITH YOU MORONS TAKING EVERY PENNY FROM US IN TAX!

And for anyone who said you rent your land from the state , you do not. They put it for sale , I buy it and build a house and pay them their fee and charges/stamp duty. Now I own the land and the house , that's what I paid for. Property tax my arse, what service are you offering for this tax , how does it benefit me and my family/friends/ neighbours.

That's thinking for yourself.

Not permitted apparently.

gazzer · 21-03-2013 12:24PM

My brother in law lived with us for a short period of time 2 years ago. When he bought his house last year he informed Revenue of the new address. On Tuesday a letter came to my house addressed to him. Gave him the letter yesterday when I popped over to him and when he opened it the details where for the house he bought

Why didnt Revenue just address the letter directly to the new address??

MadsL · 21-03-2013 01:49PM

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Am Back from my sojourn.

While on my sin-binning, I was reading the comments. I swore I wouldn't answer MadsL anymore, as I knew my blood would boil again and I would end up with a longer ban.

HOWEVER, I just couldn't let this go without commenting: I too was left with no choice but to emigrate during the last recession - mid 80's. I emigrated to South Africa, and became a dual national.

Around 2001, the Irish Governemt of the day sent a delegation to South Africa looking for workers, as they were having problems at home with lack of skills. This was huge news in SA, and was on all the news bulletins for as long as the govt. of the day was out there. I didn't come back, but eventually, the industry I was in collapsed, and I couldn't get re-employed as my skin wasn't the right colour, so before my savings dwindled to non-existence, I came back to Ireland.

Am I bitter over what has happened? NO. Life must go on, I just wish You would brush that chip off Your shoulder.

Now, please don't lecture me on the rights and wrongs of going to such a society in the 80's, as I won't be able to see the comment, as I too am ignoring You from here on in.

Classic passive agressive response, "I'm not listening to you anymore". And you couldn't get re-employed probably because you chose to take a job aiding a facist regime, you didn't even have the excuse of being born there.

MadsL · 21-03-2013 01:59PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

Property tax my arse, what service are you offering for this tax , how does it benefit me and my family/friends/ neighbours.

A tax has to offer a service

What alternatives do you have in mind to clear the €390,969 per person owed by the Irish state?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696

No-one was permitted to speak out against overdevelopment (busy bodies)
No-one was permitted to predict a crash (prophets of doom, get em)
No-one was permitted to question why the Irsh state was overheavy with contruction jobs (Negative thinking)
No-one was prepared to allow the banks to fail, tiny numbers turned out to protest the bank guarantee.
No-one was prepared to demand default.
No-one was willing to reject austerity measures by mass protest and general strike.
No-one was willing see real change in Irish politics.

But by god when a property tax comes in is there some complaining! And you act suprised by being accused of having a "mé féin" attitude?

bgrizzley · 21-03-2013 02:06PM

MadsL wrote: »

A tax has to offer a service

What alternatives do you have in mind to clear the €390,969 per person owed by the Irish state?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696

No-one was permitted to speak out against overdevelopment (busy bodies)
No-one was permitted to predict a crash (prophets of doom, get em)
No-one was permitted to question why the Irsh state was overheavy with contruction jobs (Negative thinking)
No-one was prepared to allow the banks to fail, tiny numbers turned out to protest the bank guarantee.
No-one was prepared to demand default.
No-one was willing to reject austerity measures by mass protest and general strike.
No-one was willing see real change in Irish politics.

But by god when a property tax comes in is there some complaining! And you act suprised by being accused of having a "mé féin" attitude?

i have loads of solutions but im going to wait till im paying tax in another country before i tell you...;)

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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