revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

ezra_pound · 19-03-2013 11:52PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Ok, I will simplify as much as I can. Is a person here who bought a home for their family, to blame for your woes?

This tax has nothing to do with blame or penitence. Its about delivering a tax which is economically sensible.

MadsL · 19-03-2013 11:55PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Ok, I will simplify as much as I can. Is a person here who bought a home for their family, to blame for your woes?

If they overbought, borrowed again and then defaulted probably.
If they got greedy and borrowed for a overseas apt in Bulgaria, Budapest and the like, probably.
If they flipped houses, probably.
If they got a buy-to-let despite never having been the rental market before, probably.

You probably know at least one of them.

Bullseye1 · 19-03-2013 11:56PM

ezra_pound wrote: »

This tax has nothing to do with blame or penitence. Its about delivering a tax which is economically sensible.

It would have been economically sensible 10 years ago not now when the country is broke. It might have also prevented a property bubble.

MadsL · 19-03-2013 11:56PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Read both quotes again.

Indulge me. Try spelling it out.

tayto lover · 19-03-2013 11:56PM

ezra_pound wrote: »

This tax has nothing to do with blame or penitence. Its about delivering a tax which is economically sensible.

Economically sensible my ar**. It is thievery.

Bruthal · 19-03-2013 11:57PM

MadsL wrote: »

If they overbought, borrowed again and then defaulted probably.
If they got greedy and borrowed for a overseas apt in Bulgaria, Budapest and the like, probably.
If they flipped houses, probably.
If they got a buy-to-let despite never having been the rental market before, probably.

You probably know at least one of them.

Yea, but I asked about home buyers, as in they bought a home for their family. Are they to blame?

ezra_pound · 19-03-2013 11:57PM

Bruthal wrote: »

For what reason? Some of the ideas have been entertaining.

For more efficient use of property. I grew up in an area with five Victorian 2000+sqft houses many of them inhabited by one little old lady. Lpt incentivises more efficient use so little old lady down downsizes and family move in.

It also curbs property price inflation and does not negatively impact on employment. Read any report on it. Theres lots.

MadsL · 19-03-2013 11:57PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Economically sensible my ar**. It is thievery.

Here we go again.

Property is theft, I think someone famous said.

:pac:

ezra_pound · 19-03-2013 11:58PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

It would have been economically sensible 10 years ago not now when the country is broke. It might have also prevented a property bubble.

Yes. The fact that the country is broke is tyres reason we need this tax more than ever.

MadsL · 19-03-2013 11:59PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Yea, but I asked about home buyers, as in they bought a home for their family. Are they to blame?

Tell me how I isolate them them from the above in terms of taxation? Any ideas? Collateral damage.

Bullseye1 · 19-03-2013 11:59PM

MadsL wrote: »

If they overbought, borrowed again and then defaulted probably.
If they got greedy and borrowed for a overseas apt in Bulgaria, Budapest and the like, probably.
If they flipped houses, probably.
If they got a buy-to-let despite never having been the rental market before, probably.

You probably know at least one of them.

It is still unclear how any of these buyers are responsible for your woes. How exactly were you effected? I know you emigrated are because you lost your job but how have these buyer contributed to you losing your job? Surely that is down to your employer or yourself.

tayto lover · 19-03-2013 11:59PM

ezra_pound wrote: »

For more efficient use of property. I grew up in an area with five Victorian 2000+sqft houses many of them inhabited by one little old lady. Lpt incentivises more efficient use so little old lady down downsizes and family move in.

It also curbs property price inflation and does not negatively impact on employment. Read any report on it. Theres lots.

Typical FG bulls***. Those old ladies are entitled to own their properties. Age had nothing to do with it either. Lads like you would welcome a cull of the elderly.

Bruthal · 20-03-2013 12:00AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Economically sensible my ar**. It is thievery.

It would be interesting if a Cyprus style savings tax was to be deducted, would the flawlessly law abiding property tax promoters be as quick to embrace that I wonder?

tayto lover · 20-03-2013 12:00AM

MadsL wrote: »

Here we go again.

Property is theft, I think someone famous said. :pac:

Does that make you a thief so :rolleyes::pac:

MadsL · 20-03-2013 12:04AM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

It is still unclear how any of these buyers are responsible for your woes. How exactly were you effected? I know you emigrated are because you lost your job but how have these buyer contributed to you losing your job? Surely that is down to your employer or yourself.

You already admitted it yourself. Property speculation was at least partly to blame.

Bruthal · 20-03-2013 12:05AM

MadsL wrote: »

Tell me how I isolate them them from the above in terms of taxation? Any ideas? Collateral damage.

Im asking you about blame. You constantly either get confused, or deliberately move goal posts. Clearly, blame is the central core issue for you.

You say you were a renter, so no blame for you according to yourself. So I ask again, is a person who bought a family home, to blame?

Bullseye1 · 20-03-2013 12:06AM

What line of work were you involved in that the property collapse led to you losing your job? Construction?

ezra_pound · 20-03-2013 12:06AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Typical FG bulls***. Those old ladies are entitled to own their properties. Age had nothing to do with it either. Lads like you would welcome a cull of the elderly.

Ridiculous comment.

A. This has nothing to do with political party

B. Of course old ladies entitled to own property

C. I'm just staying that it is in societys interest to efficiently distribute property resources.

MadsL · 20-03-2013 12:06AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Does that make you a thief so :rolleyes::pac:

It was a joke. You on the other hand, worrying, are not joking with all this "tax is theft" stuff.

ezra_pound · 20-03-2013 12:08AM

Property tax has nothing to do with blame.

100 lines everybody

Property tax has nothing to do with blame...

No seriously. I dont understand the whole blame thing. Its ridiculous.

MadsL · 20-03-2013 12:09AM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

What line of work were you involved in that the property collapse led to you losing your job? Construction?

Are you having a laugh? Do you think that pretty much all sectors (with perhaps the exception of medical devices and specialised IT) have been affected.

And no I was not working in the construction or building trade sector.

Bullseye1 · 20-03-2013 12:09AM

ezra_pound wrote: »

Ridiculous comment.

A. This has nothing to do with political party

B. Of course old ladies entitled to own property

C. I'm just staying that it is in societys interest to efficiently distribute property resources.

How are you going to get said old lady to give up her house to move into a smaller one?

tayto lover · 20-03-2013 12:11AM

MadsL wrote: »

It was a joke. You on the other hand, worrying, are not joking with all this "tax is theft" stuff.

I firmly believe it to be akin to theft.
Didn't our shower even back the proposed theft from people's bank accounts in Cyprus? Brave shower that they are.

Bullseye1 · 20-03-2013 12:13AM

MadsL wrote: »

Are you having a laugh? Do you think that pretty much all sectors (with perhaps the exception of medical devices and specialised IT) have been affected.

And no I was not working in the construction or building trade sector.

I'm not having a laugh. I'm having a hard time understanding how me buyin a house led to you losing your job. You still have not explained how and why you lost your job and how the property bubble was responsible for your business/jobs demise. All I've read is "lost my job because of some greedy speculators". It makes zero sense.

tayto lover · 20-03-2013 12:14AM

ezra_pound wrote: »

Ridiculous comment.

A. This has nothing to do with political party

B. Of course old ladies entitled to own property

C. I'm just staying that it is in societys interest to efficiently distribute property resources.

C -- They should have absolutely no interest in people's private homes and distributing their resources. These homes were privately funded and stamp duty paid.

Bruthal · 20-03-2013 12:15AM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I'm not having a laugh. I'm having a hard time understanding how me buyin a house led to you losing your job. You still have not explained how and why you lost your job and how the property bubble was responsible for your business/jobs demise. All I've read is "lost my job because of some greedy speculators". It makes zero sense.

I have asked and asked. Seems pointless.

But I will try again. Madsl, is a person who bought a home, to blame for this?

Bullseye1 · 20-03-2013 12:18AM

Maybe he is to blame for someone losing their job in the US or displacing some unfortunate Native American. And as silly as that sounds its the excuse he is using here.

MadsL · 20-03-2013 12:19AM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I'm not having a laugh. I'm having a hard time understanding how me buyin a house led to you losing your job. You still have not explained how and why you lost your job and how the property bubble was responsible for your business/jobs demise. All I've read is "lost my job because of some greedy speculators". It makes zero sense.

Economy collapses, people end up out of work.
That bit is simple enough.

Now, why did the economy collapse, all the reasons we have discussed including (as you admitted) the behaviour of some homeowners. Now, you tell me how you propose to separate out the "blameless" homeowners if the Govt as do I feel that a property tax should now be enforced?

All ears.

ezra_pound · 20-03-2013 12:19AM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

How are you going to get said old lady to give up her house to move into a smaller one?

By incentivising her with lpt.

Lady on Joe Duffy complaining other day that derelict site she owns will be chargeable. In this case she is being incentivised to sell it or put it to productive use. Her response, ring the whineline.

Bruthal · 20-03-2013 12:20AM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Maybe he is to blame for someone losing their job in the US or displacing some unfortunate Native American. And as silly as that sounds its the excuse he is using here.

Yes, a narrow field of view in the postings for sure.

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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