Hinds found guilty of murder

old hippy · 19-03-2013 06:08PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

This is a public message board and people are entitled to vent their spleen at what they feel is a very unjust sentence which was handed down to the scumball Hinds. As for your "thinly veiled" racism remake to the best of my knowledge there has only been one real poster showing out and out racism to which he has received a red card from the moderation team on the site. You seem to lack the basic empathy and understanding why so many people are upset which was why i asked the question have you kids of your own. But than again as a long time lurker on here before i jumped into the water i have observed you have an agenda of your own.

I have plenty of empathy. For the victims of such horrific crimes but not for the random internet warriors who indulge in the bloodlust here.

As for any agenda you may have observed, this makes for an interesting read

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/06/revenge.aspx

HondaSami · 19-03-2013 06:09PM

Five years is not enough for killing her but no amount of time served in jail will bring back their lovely daughter, hopefully the family can try come to terms with what happened, my heart goes out to them.

old hippy · 19-03-2013 06:11PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I mean in the case of prison systems. Goes way back to their treatment of POWs. Their prison conditions are harsh on the mind, rather than the body.

Yes, well. I think we've all moved on since the horrors of WW2. I hope he serves the full term and has plenty of time to contemplate the nature of his crime.

Jimoslimos · 19-03-2013 06:11PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

This is a public message board and people are entitled to vent their spleen at what they feel is a very unjust sentence which was handed down to the scumball Hinds.

Well they're not really as has been highlighted by several Twitter incidents resulting in prosecution. So "venting one's spleen" isn't something to be recommended.

Do I think the sentence was light? Yes

However it was perfectly within the limitations of the Japanese legal system. What do you suggest, that they throw away the statute book to appease you? Despite the low severity of it I think the guilty verdict is more important than the length of time served.

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

You seem to lack the basic empathy and understanding why so many people are upset which was why i asked the question have you kids of your own. But than again as a long time lurker on here before i jumped into the water i have observed you have an agenda of your own.

I don't see how somebody who takes a balanced and objective view of the situation can be accused of lacking empathy as opposed to those who howl for primitive revenge fantasies. In fact it's probably the other way around.

Oryx · 19-03-2013 06:14PM

I admire the family for their dignity all the way through this ordeal. They are dealing with this the only way they can, which is letting the legal system do its thing, and accepting that. I commend them for not trying to make this a trial by media, or thrash out their grief in the public eye, as sometimes happens in emotive cases like this.

All day today, everyone I meet is talking about this. And everyone I've spoken to is shocked at how lenient this sentence is. 5 years for a life seems like nothing, its hard to get your head around.

space_man · 19-03-2013 06:17PM

like the majority of posters here i would like to see justice done, and am disappointed and angered with the sentence.
it's not about revenge, but should this scumag slip in the shower, i wont be losing any sleep over the animal.

Da Shins Kelly · 19-03-2013 06:18PM

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, well. I think we've all moved on since the horrors of WW2. I hope he serves the full term and has plenty of time to contemplate the nature of his crime.

I think that's part of the point of the system - that you sit in silence and spend a lot of time alone in order to reflect on why you're there. Of course, it's tedious and the lack of communication could drive you mad, and it does. That's why it's more of a mental struggle, than a struggle with the threat of being attacked or something. The Japanese prison system, while a lot safer than many others, is considered pretty draconian in its style.

People are saying that five years is a short time, and I think it is too, but five years in a Japanese prison is probably going to drag.

Ush1 · 19-03-2013 06:22PM

old hippy wrote: »

I have plenty of empathy. For the victims of such horrific crimes but not for the random internet warriors who indulge in the bloodlust here.

As for any agenda you may have observed, this makes for an interesting read

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/06/revenge.aspx

Bloodlust aside 5 years is too lenient. Reading the details of the case, this man seems like a seriously dangerous sociopath.

old hippy · 19-03-2013 06:25PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Bloodlust aside 5 years is too lenient. Reading the details of the case, this man seems like a seriously dangerous sociopath.

Perhaps he is. Perhaps there are plenty out there (or on here) like him.

space_man · 19-03-2013 06:26PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Bloodlust aside 5 years is too lenient. Reading the details of the case, this man seems like a seriously dangerous sociopath.

he'll offend again.
i'll put my house on it.

davet82 · 19-03-2013 06:26PM

The family of the Wexford student who was strangled in Tokyo after a night out with friends, watched US citizen Richard Hinds (19) "smile and wink" at his father and mother seconds before his sentencing in a Japanese court.

Angela Furlong said she believed Hinds had managed to convince himself that he had not killed Nicola and was "so confident that he thought he was going home today."

my fcukin blood is boiling after reading that, I am praying this scumbag does the full 10 years!! :mad:

HondaSami · 19-03-2013 06:27PM

space_man wrote: »

he'll offend again.
i'll put my house on it.

Is this his first offence?

gg2 · 19-03-2013 06:30PM

How did he react after being sentenced?

Vizzy · 19-03-2013 06:31PM

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, well. I think we've all moved on since the horrors of WW2. I hope he serves the full term and has plenty of time to contemplate the nature of his crime.

Coudn't agree more and hopefully his christian upbtinging will help in the contemplative process.
If I was him,however,I'd be cafeful bending down in the shower.

old hippy · 19-03-2013 06:31PM

space_man wrote: »

he'll offend again.
i'll put my house on it.

And if he does, will that make you justified in your rage? Will you feel vindicated?

space_man · 19-03-2013 06:36PM

old hippy wrote: »

And if he does, will that make you justified in your rage? Will you feel vindicated?

No.

space_man · 19-03-2013 06:38PM

Vizzy wrote: »

Coudn't agree more and hopefully his christian upbtinging will help in the contemplative process.
If I was him,however,I'd be cafeful bending down in the shower.

http://img4.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/66058284-weird-japanese.jpg

Lelantos · 19-03-2013 06:38PM

Oryx wrote: »

I admire the family for their dignity all the way through this ordeal. They are dealing with this the only way they can, which is letting the legal system do its thing, and accepting that. I commend them for not trying to make this a trial by media, or thrash out their grief in the public eye, as sometimes happens in emotive cases like this.

All day today, everyone I meet is talking about this. And everyone I've spoken to is shocked at how lenient this sentence is. 5 years for a life seems like nothing, its hard to get your head around.

From the snippets I heard on the radio this morn it seems the family were badly informed. They were under the impression this man would get a stiffer sentence, they had been told it should be a high court trial, it was held in a district court where a severe penalty couldn't be meted out. The familys anger after the trial & announced verdict is plain to see, perhaps if it was an American woman murdered by an Irishman things would have been different. Either way, I hope the Irish govt express their concern over the matter to the Japanese govt

HondaSami · 19-03-2013 06:41PM

Lelantos wrote: »

From the snippets I heard on the radio this morn it seems the family were badly informed. They were under the impression this man would get a stiffer sentence, they had been told it should be a high court trial, it was held in a district court where a severe penalty couldn't be meted out. The familys anger after the trial & announced verdict is plain to see, perhaps if it was an American woman murdered by an Irishman things would have been different. Either way, I hope the Irish govt express their concern over the matter to the Japanese govt

''Reacting to the sentence, her father Andrew said: "We said at the start it was going to be down to the Japanese.
"When we found out he was going to be tried as a minor, we knew what he was going to get ... We hope it's more than five and up to ten."

The family knew what was coming. The Irish government cannot do anything.

Laphroaig52 · 19-03-2013 07:05PM

Oryx wrote: »

Ive always felt the staff at the hotel were culpable too. Did noone think to check who these girls were and whether they needed medical help?

I've wondered about that too.

I mean I know it isn't up to hotel staff to act as nanny or moral guardian for every adult that comes through their doors.

But when two young bucks arrive in the wee small hours with unconscious girls.......in wheelchairs......and head for the bedrooms....

Surely that would have been cause for concern in any responsible person?

I wonder if the staff on duty were called as witnesses in the trial.

Lelantos · 19-03-2013 07:08PM

HondaSami wrote: »

''Reacting to the sentence, her father Andrew said: "We said at the start it was going to be down to the Japanese.
"When we found out he was going to be tried as a minor, we knew what he was going to get ... We hope it's more than five and up to ten."

The family knew what was coming. The Irish government cannot do anything.

No, previous to that, they were led to believe the trial was to be held in a high court, the reason why not wasn't disclosed I believe.
As for the govt, they can voice their displeasure with the sentence on behalf of the family, its the least they can do.

Mr Whirly · 19-03-2013 07:08PM

Horrible for the friends and family but justice was done here. If you go to a foreign country you accept their legal system.

The outrage brigade here have nothing to complain about.

Oryx · 19-03-2013 07:11PM

Flyer28 wrote: »

I've wondered about that too.

I mean I know it isn't up to hotel staff to act as nanny or moral guardian for every adult that comes through their doors.

But when two young bucks arrive in the wee small hours with unconscious girls.......in wheelchairs......and head for the bedrooms....

Surely that would have been cause for concern in any responsible person?

I wonder if the staff on duty were called as witnesses in the trial.

And I dont care how big your hotel is, you are supposed to know how many residents you have, and who they are. Hotel staff are savvy. They should have known these girls were not checked in as guests. And that's apart from the fact that these guys were assisted in bringing the girls to their room. The hotel are not responsible for murder, but to my mind they could have done something to prevent the abuse of these women, even by just checking things out a little more, as you say, like any responsible person.

HondaSami · 19-03-2013 07:13PM

Lelantos wrote: »

As for the govt, they can voice their displeasure with the sentence on behalf of the family, its the least they can do.

And what will that achieve, empty words said for the sake of saying them, waste of time imo

HondaSami · 19-03-2013 07:15PM

Oryx wrote: »

And I dont care how big your hotel is, you are supposed to know how many residents you have, and who they are. Hotel staff are savvy. They should have known these girls were not checked in as guests. And that's apart from the fact that these guys were assisted in bringing the girls to their room. The hotel are not responsible for murder, but to my mind they could have done something to prevent the abuse of these women, even by just checking things out a little more, as you say, like any responsible person.

I dunno about this, people go to hotel rooms all the time, its not for staff to say who is allowed in your room.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 19-03-2013 07:27PM

old hippy wrote: »

I have plenty of empathy. For the victims of such horrific crimes but not for the random internet warriors who indulge in the bloodlust here.

As for any agenda you may have observed, this makes for an interesting read

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/06/revenge.aspx

Good read in the link Mr Hippy. As for your point on the Internet warriors you should take such postings with a very heavy pinch of salt as i said in a previous post a lot of people have been venting steam at what they feel is a very unjust sentence.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 19-03-2013 07:30PM

Flyer28 wrote: »

I've wondered about that too.

I mean I know it isn't up to hotel staff to act as nanny or moral guardian for every adult that comes through their doors.

But when two young bucks arrive in the wee small hours with unconscious girls.......in wheelchairs......and head for the bedrooms....

Surely that would have been cause for concern in any responsible person?

I wonder if the staff on duty were called as witnesses in the trial.

The Japanese can not hold their drink to well and apparently it is par the course to see people getting pushed around in wheelchairs by their friends after a night of drinking.

Laphroaig52 · 19-03-2013 07:35PM

HondaSami wrote: »

I dunno about this, people go to hotel rooms all the time, its not for staff to say who is allowed in your room.

To an extent I agree with that and in fairness in the Asia Pacific region, hotels are generally not so prudish about guests returning with "guests" of their own. In fact many hotels - even high class, well known brands - facilitate that by tolerating prostitutes in the bar. That's OK. Consenting adults and all that.....

The difference here is that these two brought unconscious girls in wheelchairs to their rooms.....and apparently nobody thought that there might be anything wrong there.

To me that is morally - if not legally - indefensible.

Me_Grapes · 19-03-2013 07:36PM

Mr Whirly wrote: »

Horrible for the friends and family but justice was done here. If you go to a foreign country you accept their legal system.

The outrage brigade here have nothing to complain about.

I'm firmly of the opinion that 5 years for murder and rape does not under any circumstances equate to justice being done, no matter what the Japanese or any other constitution states.

Laphroaig52 · 19-03-2013 07:38PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

The Japanese can not hold their drink to well and apparently it is par the course to see people getting pushed around in wheelchairs by their friends after a night of drinking.

Rubbish. I lived in Japan for several years and I have visited and drank in most AP countries and I never saw any one being pushed around in a wheelchair (where would you even get one?).

Hinds found guilty of murder

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