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DFDS Logistics returns to the railway

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  • #32
    corktina
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    Barracuda1 wrote: »
    Roll on phase two of the WRC!!

    that's more than unlikely...the Waterford to Limerick Junction line is reduced to a basic railway almost now and reversal at Limerick would still be necessary, quite apart from the fact that phase two would only take you to Tuam anyway.


  • #33
    Barracuda1
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    corktina wrote: »
    that's more than unlikely...the Waterford to Limerick Junction line is reduced to a basic railway almost now and reversal at Limerick would still be necessary, quite apart from the fact that phase two would only take you to Tuam anyway.


    You are correct. Good to see the rail freight market growing. This is another feather in the cap of the export led market. What exactly are the goods being shipped.


  • #34
    LXFlyer
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    The fact that with virtually two short periods during the day Limerick/Ennis is fully occupied already throughout the day and that Limerick Junction/Waterford has been reduced to a single shift of gate keepers/signalmen (being closed in the middle of the day) means that the only viable route is via Kildare.

    There are sufficient paths available to run additional freight services via Kildare.


  • #35
    corktina
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    Barracuda1 wrote: »
    You are correct. Good to see the rail freight market growing. This is another feather in the cap of the export led market. What exactly are the goods being shipped.

    It's hard to see however how it could grow more. I hope it does, but not holding my breathe


  • #36
    Sligo Quay
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    Barracuda1 wrote: »
    Roll on phase two of the WRC!!
    Dream on, it ain't goin happen, and if it did, the so called phase two as you call it, is ''Athenry / Tuam, so I don't know how that benefits the DFDS liner service, you could repost in the ''pipe dream'' thread which I haven't read in months, is WRC thread.


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  • #37
    rainbowdash
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    Would it not make sense to run these freight trains at night?

    I suppose the only other potential container route in terms of distance is Dublin - Kerry, with possibly a stop in Limerick. There are no container ship facilities in Kerry.


  • #38
    corktina
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    rainbowdash wrote: »
    Would it not make sense to run these freight trains at night?

    I suppose the only other potential container route in terms of distance is Dublin - Kerry, with possibly a stop in Limerick. There are no container ship facilities in Kerry.

    Foynes is but lorry ride away as is Cork.(Oh and practically noone lives there


  • #39
    rainbowdash
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    corktina wrote: »
    Foynes is but lorry ride away as is Cork.(Oh and practically noone lives there

    No containers go through Foynes.

    Nobody lives in Ballina either.

    In a couple of years Liverpool 2 will hopefully be open. A lot of containers could be coming China - Liverpool - Dublin. Cork would be in the wrong place then.

    As far as I know most containers come via Dublin at the moment, its a more frequent service from Rotterdam than Cork, so transit times are shorter.

    I am not sure if there are enough big container customers in Kerry to underpin a regular service though.

    And of course the freight yards in Kerry are probably sold for development.


  • #40
    Sligo Quay
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    rainbowdash wrote: »
    Would it not make sense to run these freight trains at night?
    Yes it would, but then again, when did Irish Rail ever do anything that made sense.


  • #41
    bbuzz
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    Sligo Quay wrote: »
    Yes it would, but then again, when did Irish Rail ever do anything that made sense.

    Might be to do with level crossing attendants, don't think all the LCs from Waterford to Ballina are automatic (might be wrong).


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  • #42
    Jamie2k9
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    bbuzz wrote: »
    Might be to do with level crossing attendants, don't think all the LCs from Waterford to Ballina are automatic (might be wrong).

    Yes 3 on Waterford line are not automatic, then staff in Waterford for signalling system, staff in Dublin for CTC, lots of costs so when possible it should be during the day and when not at night.


  • #43
    corktina
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    rainbowdash wrote: »
    No containers go through Foynes.

    Nobody lives in Ballina either.

    In a couple of years Liverpool 2 will hopefully be open. A lot of containers could be coming China - Liverpool - Dublin. Cork would be in the wrong place then.

    As far as I know most containers come via Dublin at the moment, its a more frequent service from Rotterdam than Cork, so transit times are shorter.

    I am not sure if there are enough big container customers in Kerry to underpin a regular service though.

    And of course the freight yards in Kerry are probably sold for development.

    But isn't Foynes on the starting grid for a multi-billion deep-water port and container terminal with upgraded road access and rail line re-opening?:D

    You can't just say "Kerry" anyway when you actually mean Tralee to all intents and purposes. Roads to Tralee are being upgraded as we speak btw


  • #44
    Rocky Bay
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    rainbowdash wrote: »
    No containers go through Foynes.

    Nobody lives in Ballina either.

    In a couple of years Liverpool 2 will hopefully be open. A lot of containers could be coming China - Liverpool - Dublin. Cork would be in the wrong place then.

    As far as I know most containers come via Dublin at the moment, its a more frequent service from Rotterdam than Cork, so transit times are shorter.

    I am not sure if there are enough big container customers in Kerry to underpin a regular service though.

    And of course the freight yards in Kerry are probably sold for development.
    What is "Liverpool 2" ?


  • #45
    Losty Dublin
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Yes 3 on Waterford line are not automatic, then staff in Waterford for signalling system, staff in Dublin for CTC, lots of costs so when possible it should be during the day and when not at night.

    CTC is manned 24/7, is it not?


  • #46
    Jamie2k9
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    CTC is manned 24/7, is it not?

    Not sure assumed it wasn't but thinking about it there is only around 3 hours when nothing is running on the network so it may be 24/7.


  • #47
    Losty Dublin
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Not sure assumed it wasn't but thinking about it there is only around 3 hours when nothing is running on the network so it may be 24/7.

    Actually when I think of it, it has to be manned 24/7 as they need to clear PW movements, Sandite, transfers, test trains and monitor the Dublin level crossings.


  • #48
    rainbowdash
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    Rocky Bay wrote: »
    What is "Liverpool 2" ?

    Its a new container port capable of handling the biggest container ships on the sea, so the biggest boats from China could dock in Liverpool which is obviously closer to Dublin than Rotterdam so quicker and maybe cheaper too.


  • #49
    kc56
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Yes 3 on Waterford line are not automatic, then staff in Waterford for signalling system, staff in Dublin for CTC, lots of costs so when possible it should be during the day and when not at night.

    Another factor is availability of staff at Kildare to assist with the loco runaround.


  • #50
    Heisenberg1
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Not sure assumed it wasn't but thinking about it there is only around 3 hours when nothing is running on the network so it may be 24/7.

    CTC is manned 24/7 365 days a year.


  • #51
    pointsman
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    Don't I bloody know it too! We manage night transfers, possessions, PWD Workings, Sandite and anything else that may need to happen during the night. Most possessions take place from around 0015 until 0500.


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  • #52
    demanufactured
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    pointsman wrote: »
    Don't I bloody know it too! We manage night transfers, possessions, PWD Workings, Sandite and anything else that may need to happen during the night. Most possessions take place from around 0015 until 0500.
    Can you switch the points to allow me onto the Mullingar line from Athlone please....I have a pair of 121s and a rake of ballast to get to Connolly :D


  • #53
    Barracuda1
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    demanufactured wrote: »
    Can you switch the points to allow me onto the Mullingar line from Athlone please....I have a pair of 121s and a rake of ballast to get to Connolly :D


    He not joking. You could rebuild the line to Athlone from Mullingar with the amount of ballast in Athlone. I think with the number of unemployed it would be a great project to keep them steady for a few years.


  • #54
    corktina
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    if that line was in the UK, it would be a prime target for Preservationists.


  • #55
    Richard Logue
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    corktina wrote: »
    if that line was in the UK, it would be a prime target for Preservationists.

    A direct run from Athlone to Dublin? It would never have been closed in the first place


  • #56
    corktina
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    no just the disused section. There are very sound reasons why it isn't used.


  • #57
    Richard Logue
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    There's clearly local support for the restoration of the Mullingar-Athlone line...but another cycleway scheme seems to be proposed for a section of it.

    http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2013/03/12/4014880-cycleway-would-mean-end-of-the-line-for-mullingarathlone-trains/

    I have no doubt if the Mullingar-Athlone line were reopened the journey time for Westport/Ballina and Galway trains would be reduced. The issue is, as always, capacity at Connolly to handle the extra traffic.

    But would the Docklands station be a useful terminal? It's no more remote than Heuston is and the Luas isn't too far away.

    Trains could be alternated between Heuston via Portarlington and Docklands via Mullingar.


  • #58
    corktina
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    Richard Logue wrote: »
    There's clearly local support for the restoration of the Mullingar-Athlone line...but another cycleway scheme seems to be proposed for a section of it.

    http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2013/03/12/4014880-cycleway-would-mean-end-of-the-line-for-mullingarathlone-trains/

    I have no doubt if the Mullingar-Athlone line were reopened the journey time for Westport/Ballina and Galway trains would be reduced. The issue is, as always, capacity at Connolly to handle the extra traffic.

    But would the Docklands station be a useful terminal? It's no more remote than Heuston is and the Luas isn't too far away.

    Trains could be alternated between Heuston via Portarlington and Docklands via Mullingar.

    what would be the advantage of Docklands over Heuston if you had to use the Luas anyway?

    As it stands there are some useful connections at Port Arlington off the Galway for those wishing to go south

    Of course there will be local support, it depends on the question....if you ask would you support opening the line , hardly anyone would say NO...if you asked would you be prepared to pay towards it, everyone would say NO


  • #59
    flazio
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    Richard Logue wrote: »
    There's clearly local support for the restoration of the Mullingar-Athlone line...but another cycleway scheme seems to be proposed for a section of it.

    http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2013/03/12/4014880-cycleway-would-mean-end-of-the-line-for-mullingarathlone-trains/

    I have no doubt if the Mullingar-Athlone line were reopened the journey time for Westport/Ballina and Galway trains would be reduced. The issue is, as always, capacity at Connolly to handle the extra traffic.

    But would the Docklands station be a useful terminal? It's no more remote than Heuston is and the Luas isn't too far away.

    Trains could be alternated between Heuston via Portarlington and Docklands via Mullingar.
    I wouldn't be so sure about that, not without addressing the canal hugging section between Mullingar and Clonsilla. (I know the line keeps to the canal right up to Connelly but by the time you reach Clonsilla, you're into Dublin and have to slow down anyway.)

    This too shall pass.



  • #60
    demanufactured
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    corktina wrote: »
    if that line was in the UK, it would be a prime target for Preservationists.
    I'm still In Athlone midland awaiting the road to Mullingar. .will be making a stop in Moate too :D


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  • #61
    dowlingm
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    Richard Logue wrote: »
    There's clearly local support for the restoration of the Mullingar-Athlone line
    Unless that support comes in the form of a very big cheque from a source the Troika doesn't have in a headlock, that means nothing. A relay isn't going to be enough - it'll need CTC, automatic crossings and if you want it to do any more than bypass North Wall freights you're going to have to spend to rehabilitate Athlone West or persuade the RSC to okay reversing moves in service outside of a grandfathering arrangement.


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