The Great Myth of St Patrick

Pushtrak · 16-03-2013 08:38PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Space Lizards, the CIA, the Illuminatti, the International Jewish Conspiracy and now....*drumroll*

St Patrick

How about Pope Adrian IV?

Sound of Silence · 16-03-2013 08:45PM

St Patrick's day has no more to do about St Patrick than Boxing Day has to do with Fisticuffs.

foxinsox · 16-03-2013 08:47PM

This is still my favourite story of St. Patrick!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0q-_gWOYjY

ejmaztec · 16-03-2013 08:51PM

It just proves that the Irish hierarchy aren't very good judges of character and always seem to invite the wrong people in.

My name is URL · 16-03-2013 08:58PM

I'd say if you asked people at parades or in the pub tomorrow about the history of St. Patrick, 80% of them wouldn't have a clue about it.

People don't celebrate these things because of a deep respect for religion.. they celebrate it because it's a social tradition and they have the day off.. just like Christmas and so on. Would you prefer people didn't celebrate that day also?

Fox_In_Socks · 16-03-2013 09:04PM

Sound of Silence wrote: »

St Patrick's day has no more to do about St Patrick than Boxing Day has to do with Fisticuffs.

I propose we change St Patrick's Day to Boxing Day, so.

Nodin · 16-03-2013 09:04PM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I just have to type it in word because it mysteriously vanished 3 times while I was writing it

Shame it didn't keep going the same way...

orestes · 16-03-2013 09:05PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

I propose we change St Patrick's Day to Boxing Day, so.

It already is, just head to Temple Bar at about 10pm tomorrow.

Fox_In_Socks · 16-03-2013 09:08PM

orestes wrote: »

It already is, just head to Temple Bar at about 10pm tomorrow.

Don't have to wait for 10pm. I remember passing through Waterford city shortly after the parade there in 2005. It looked like the Gaza Strip at about 4.30pm.:pac:

Auldloon · 16-03-2013 09:09PM

Who gives a crap, it's get wasted weekend!

orestes · 16-03-2013 09:09PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Don't have to wait for 10pm. I remember passing through Waterford city shortly after the parade there in 2005. It looked like the Gaza Strip at about 4.30pm.:pac:

Nah, Waterford always looks like that.

robp · 16-03-2013 09:12PM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

The great irony of St. Patricks Days is that the Christian Church was fundamental in supporting the creation of a political link between Ireland and England which had the effect of severing any sense of national identity.

If anything, the Christian Church was instrumental in supporting the destruction of Ireland's identity by supporting the invasion of Ireland. It was only after the reformation that the Catholic Church’s link with Britain began to falter and even so, the Catholic Church supported the implementation of the Act of Union in Ireland.

In Ireland’s long struggle to establish a national identity under British rule, the great irony is that the majority of the people remained faithful to an imperialist church which supported the link and at times, helped maintain the link with Britain.

St. Patrick’s Day is even more ridiculous considering that St Patrick was Welsh. What has a Welsh Christian missionary to do with being Irish? How does a Christian feast day determine what it is to be Irish? If anything, history has thought us that Christianity has served to destroy any sense of Irish national identity yet people remain steadfast in the celebration of this abomination of a feast day. Considering St. Patrick was a missionary for an imperial order, does that not make him the enemy of Ireland?

They say that the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing man he did not exist. Perhaps the greatest trick St. Patrick ever played was convincing the Irish he was one of their own?

Your taking a great deal for granted. Mostly importantly Patrick had nothing to do with the Normans. Also there is no consensus that Rome actually supported the Norman invasion. The document in support of it (the Laudabiliter) has some level of forgery involved in it. The Act of Union is neither here or there. Almost like Stormont of the 1970s the Irish parliament before the Act of Union was so discriminatory that abolition probably cleared the way for a fairer system, even if that was not the Act of Union's intention. History is too complex to simply generalise about a 1500 year organisation.

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

For all religions? And who allocated him this position, the Roman Government?

It wasn't 'Roman Government' but actually a Waterford man who has the credit. Luke Wadding. His efforts led to the modern feast day.

the purple tin · 16-03-2013 09:20PM

Years ago a sheriff caught a rather drunk Ozzy Osbourne having a pee against the Alamo, after finding out he was from England, the irate officer asked 'how would you like it if I urinated on Buckingham Palace?' Ozzy replied 'go ahead, it's not my ****ing house'.

losthorizon · 17-03-2013 12:03AM

orestes wrote: »

Dammit! That's what I get from learning my roman numerals from Rocky movies and Wrestlemania. Roman numeral grammar nazism, well played

You are the XXVII twit Ive come upon on boards today.

Amo Twitii!

WoollyRedHat · 17-03-2013 12:19AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I just have to type it in word because it mysteriously vanished 3 times while I was writing it

That'd be the mystique of St. Patrick. Powerful fellow.

Gillo · 17-03-2013 12:30AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

For all religions? And who allocated him this position, the Roman Government?

Am I the only one thinking; St Patrick at a Bunga Bunga Party doing lines of coke of a hookers tits while Silvio B. orders him back to Ireland?

mathepac · 17-03-2013 12:54AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

apologies for the spacebar problem, copy and paste doesn't seem to work on this

Logic and history seen to have no place in post either, but that's OK, it's just the Justin Bieber bum-boy thread After Hours.

feargale · 17-03-2013 01:06AM

Ah yes, but he had a soft spot for the ould sod, like all those other foreign-born tourists, James Connolly, Dev, Michael Davitt, Erskine Childers, Tony Cascarino, Owen Roe O'Neill, William Bedell, Cyril Cusack, Brian Farrell, David Norris, Edith Somerville, Intel etc..

orestes · 17-03-2013 01:12AM

losthorizon wrote: »

You are the XXVII twit Ive come upon on boards today.

Amo Twitii!

Do I win a prize?

feargale · 17-03-2013 01:13AM

orestes wrote: »

In between there was a whole load of vikings and normans and all sorts of fun and games here, the Roman Empire splits in half and collapses, the Holy Roman Empire shows up, there's a whole series of popes, anti-popes, emperors (often all three at the same time), the renaissance kicks off, Christianity gets split in half by the reformation, science starts poking sticks in the eyes of god, the Spanish Inquisition happened when nobody was expecting it, and the English executed their own king for treason.

Sounds like Temple Bar on Paddy's night!

feargale · 17-03-2013 01:20AM

the emperors innuendo wrote: »

I don't see what ST Patrick has to do with been Irish since it excludes many non Christians from establishing their claim to a national identity. Ireland was never exclusively Christian

When Jewish Bob Briscoe was Lord Mayor of Dublin he represented the city one St. Patrick's Day in New York. What's wrong with an Irish knees up for frig sake? The only problem is a minority of yobs making pigs or worse of themselves.

The Great Myth of St Patrick

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