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  • #872
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    MadsL wrote: »
    The property bubble caused the crash to be much worse in Ireland, are you suggesting that people who bought during the boom at unaffordable, unrealistic prices, who are now facing repossession did not contribute to the mess?

    That your stance?


    What was affordable to a couple, pre boom, on combined decent salary, may now not be affordable due to job loss/salary reductions.

    You left Ireland die to your job loss, and 'not wanting to pay back the debts of others'

    Yet, you support a property tax, 'apparently demanded' by the troika (though they say otherwise) which will go towards paying back the cost of the bailout?

    You sir, are a hypocrite.

    You need to either get the head examined, or get some salt/vinegar to put on that chip on the shoulder.;)

    I suspect you're simply winding folk up in this thread though. Might as well come out and say it.


  • #873
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Kichote wrote: »
    you'd need a tractor to get me off her. Not an ould massey on its last legs but a brand new John Deere on tracks.

    Wut?


  • #874
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    MadsL wrote: »
    Wut?

    A few to many there id say:)


  • #875
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Am Chile wrote: »
    The upcoming bye election in meath it remains to be seen whether we will see a vote against current government policy or a vote for sympathy in voting for helen mcentee-the youtube video promoting her as the fine gael canditate she mentions her father more then anything else-she might as well have said in honour of my fathers memory vote for me which is very cynical and manipulative-one recent week in politics show when discussing the meath bye election helen was mentioned most more so then any other canditate.





    Very poor candidate. Poor speaker too.


  • #876
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SamHall wrote: »
    What was affordable to a couple, pre boom, on combined decent salary, may now not be affordable due to job loss/salary reductions.

    Did the word stress-test mean anything at the time? I personally warned two people now in massive NE not to buy. Laughed at.
    You left Ireland die to your job loss, and 'not wanting to pay back the debts of others'

    Yet, you support a property tax, 'apparently demanded' by the troika (though they say otherwise) which will go towards paying back the cost of the bailout?
    It is not my debt, I didn't participate in the property speculation.

    It seems entirely apt that some extra portion of the payback fall on those who thought the only way was up. The fact that those self-same people now cannot emigrate and escape that debt as they are in NE is ironic don't you think.
    You sir, are a hypocrite.
    Who should pay this debt? The next generation? A smug tax on those who rented?
    You need to either get the head examined, or get some salt/vinegar to put on that chip on the shoulder.;)
    You can insult me, doesn't change the fact that those who indulged are now paying a additional price for it. That seems fair to me. I have paid my personal price, and it probably cost us 20 years worth of this tax to emigrate. Think I should pay more?
    I suspect you're simply winding folk up in this thread though. Might as well come out and say it.

    If home (pun intended) truths upset you, you should stop asking questions.


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  • #877
    Kichote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Very poor candidate. Poor speaker too.

    admit it though, you wouldnt turn down a tear off her. I hope she doesnt get in for her own sake, so many female politicians turn into bitter ould risk averse 'think of the children' authoritarians


  • #878
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Am Chile wrote: »

    Not ten words out of her mouth before "father" was mentioned.


  • #879
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    MadsL wrote: »
    Did the word stress-test mean anything at the time? I personally warned two people now in massive NE not to buy. Laughed at.


    It is not my debt, I didn't participate in the property speculation.

    It seems entirely apt that some extra portion of the payback fall on those who thought the only way was up. The fact that those self-same people now cannot emigrate and escape that debt as they are in NE is ironic don't you think.


    Who should pay this debt? The next generation? A smug tax on those who rented?


    You can insult me, doesn't change the fact that those who indulged are now paying a additional price for it. That seems fair to me. I have paid my personal price, and it probably cost us 20 years worth of this tax to emigrate. Think I should pay more?



    If home (pun intended) truths upset you, you should stop asking questions.

    Yawn, pile of horse manure in fairness.

    What about the folk who didn't purchase property either in the boom, or at all?

    Struggling family, in the family home, been there years now.

    They'll have to pay this tax, they contributed to the boom too I suppose?

    Hope America is good to you btw.


  • #880
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    SamHall wrote: »
    Yawn, pile of horse manure in fairness.

    What about the folk who didn't purchase property either in the boom, or at all?

    Struggling family, in the family home, been there years now.

    Been there years you say, so mortgage-free eh?
    They'll have to pay this tax, they contributed to the boom too I suppose?

    Sell up and rent if it is that onerous. However, I wonder if we should get a grip about a €30 a month tax on someone who owns the house outright or with a small mortgage. Unless of course the new kitchen, decking, hot tub and new car got added to the mortgage.
    Hope America is good to you btw.

    It is. Shocking property taxes though, $2500 this year, and would be $5,000 if we lived in the next county.


  • #881
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    MadsL wrote: »



    It is. Shocking property taxes though, $2500 this year, and would be $5,000 if we lived in the next county.

    Now tell me what you get for that.......... and the standard rate of income tax over there.


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  • #882
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    mikom wrote: »
    Now tell me what you get for that.......... and the standard rate of income tax over there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#Federal_income_tax_rates

    Roughly 25% Federal Income Tax
    Plus local State Payroll taxes; Wage base is $22,400 for 2012 and $22,900 for 2013. Rates range from 0.06% to 5.40%.
    Plus Property Taxes. $600-$ lots


  • #883
    Kichote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    MadsL wrote: »
    Been there years you say, so mortgage-free eh?



    Sell up and rent if it is that onerous. However, I wonder if we should get a grip about a 30 a month tax on someone who owns the house outright or with a small mortgage. Unless of course the new kitchen, decking, hot tub and new car got added to the mortgage.



    It is. Shocking property taxes though, $2500 this year, and would be $5,000 if we lived in the next county.

    Great as long as you can stay employed, such a punitive level of property tax is sure to keep the plebs and poor people away. Otherwise, good luck trying to pay 2,500 a year out of your non existent dole


  • #884
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Kichote wrote: »
    Great as long as you can stay employed, such a punitive level of property tax is sure to keep the plebs and poor people away.
    Actually the police department we pay for out of those taxes keep the more violent plebs away.

    Should I mention however the fact that Americans will not stand being dicked around by the banks so mortgages are fixed for 30 years at the prevailing interest rate, so today you know what your repayments will be in 29 and 11 months time.

    Otherwise, good luck trying to pay 2,500 a year out of your non existent dole
    Ireland's property taxes and welfare safety net now looking more appealing to you I see.


  • #885
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#Federal_income_tax_rates

    Roughly 25% Federal Income Tax
    Plus local State Payroll taxes; Wage base is $22,400 for 2012 and $22,900 for 2013. Rates range from 0.06% to 5.40%.
    Plus Property Taxes. $600-$ lots

    Madsl.

    Two things.

    One is that your property taxes in the US go to things like schools and public parks and services. Not a black hole in the banks.

    Secondly, if you don't like the taxes you are paying you can move to a cheaper district.

    Hell if you dont like the state taxes you are paying you can even move to a state that doesn't have state taxes.

    And the Irish are paying E 1. 62 per litre at the pump.

    Neither of these things apply to Ireland.


  • #886
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    clairefontaine wrote: »
    Madsl.

    Two things.

    One is that your property taxes in the US go to things like schools and public parks and services. Not a black hole in the banks.

    Wait. I thought this was a Local Property Tax.
    Secondly, if you don't like the taxes you are paying you can move to a cheaper district.

    Hell if you dont like the state taxes you are paying you can even move to a state that doesn't have state taxes.

    So can you. A cheaper EU state, or here, or Oz.
    And the Irish are paying E 1. 62 per litre at the pump.

    My nearest big city apart from the one I live in is an hour away. The next ones are 400 miles plus. Last year i made a 1000 mile round trip to pick someone up at an airport.

    Factor in distances driven and you get a very similar rate.
    Neither of these things apply to Ireland.

    Actually they do.


  • #887
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    SamHall wrote: »
    Got a builder calling? Ask him for a cash rate.
    Mechanic? Same thing.
    If you're close enough proximity to the north, do any possible purchasing there you can, lower vat rate, and lower excise duties on most products.
    If you're not a paye worker, simply skim the value of the property tax off your declarations to revenue.
    Do a few jobs that pay cash yourself also.
    I supposedly live in a free country, but when govt instruct revenue to dip into my pocket and forcibly take my hard earned cash to repay debts that are not, were not, and never were mine, well then I'll find ways to recoup that money, they can bet their houses on that one.
    More than one way to skin a cat don't you know.
    SamHall wrote: »
    You sir, are a hypocrite.You need to either get the head examined, or get some salt/vinegar to put on that chip on the shoulder.;)
    I suspect you're simply winding folk up in this thread though. Might as well come out and say it.
    I truly despair when you call someone a hypocrite who happens to very articulately disagree with your point of view, and what's more Sam, you and the other schemers, see nothing wrong with this and spend endless days and hours scheming, plotting and inciting further tax evasion as per your post #290 above, on top of inciting mass non compliance, for a tax that IMO should have been introduced way back.

    Where are all these mouthy citizens of the community when it comes to supporting local community and environmental affairs, or keeping an eye on dodgy planning irregularities and/or sub standard housing developments in their towns? I know I stand, and have stood alone in my town.


  • #888
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    Wait. I thought this was a Local Property Tax.



    So can you. A cheaper EU state, or here, or Oz.



    My nearest big city apart from the one I live in is an hour away. The next ones are 400 miles plus. Last year i made a 1000 mile round trip to pick someone up at an airport.

    Factor in distances driven and you get a very similar rate.



    Actually they do.

    Madls,

    You are not paying anywhere near 1.62 a litre at the pump. FActor in distances? What the hell? Nonsense.

    Secondly your property taxes are paying for schools and public services, not so in Ireland.

    Thirdly the property taxes in Ireland are an adhoc guessing game mess.

    And yes people are moving to cheaper places to live, dont blame them and this will be another reason to leave. Last one out turn off the lights.


  • #889
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    clairefontaine wrote: »
    Madsl.

    Two things.

    One is that your property taxes in the US go to things like schools and public parks and services. Not a black hole in the banks.

    Secondly, if you don't like the taxes you are paying you can move to a cheaper district.

    Hell if you dont like the state taxes you are paying you can even move to a state that doesn't have state taxes.

    And the Irish are paying E 1. 62 per litre at the pump.

    Neither of these things apply to Ireland.

    It's actually going to pay for Child Benefit. So the black hole filling material will have to be got from elsewhere.


  • #890
    Kichote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    It's actually going to pay for Child Benefit. So the black hole filling material will have to be got from elsewhere.

    They couldnt just phase out child benefit? It seems silly to collect it every week and then pay it back to them


  • #891
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Good news for all the people that put Fianna Fail in power before. They're defintely on the way back. And Labour are down to 9%. Soon no more Property Tax wohooo.

    http://www.newstalk.ie/reader/47.301.344/7007/0/


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  • #892
    Kichote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    MadsL wrote: »
    Actually the police department we pay for out of those taxes keep the more violent plebs away.

    Should I mention however the fact that Americans will not stand being dicked around by the banks so mortgages are fixed for 30 years at the prevailing interest rate, so today you know what your repayments will be in 29 and 11 months time.



    Ireland's property taxes and welfare safety net now looking more appealing to you I see.

    Out the frying pan into the fire. They held off the european banker elite for only a few centuries but eventually they got their way and America is now at the mercy of the banks and fractional reserve lending and a massive national debt. You might know your repayments in 29 years time but feck it the banks are running the show there. Isnt America where the 'too big to fail' phrase came from?


  • #893
    Kichote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    FG+Lab got complacent when they started their austerity campaign and broke their promises, not realising there are hordes of people who might have voted FG because they were angry at FF but will use any excuse to return to the familiar FF teat and vote like their fathers. "Ah sure they're all the same, might as well vote FF to keep the father happy"


  • #894
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    clairefontaine wrote: »

    Madls,

    You are not paying anywhere near 1.62 a litre at the pump. FActor in distances? What the hell? Nonsense.

    When was the last time you drove 1000 miles on a road trip? You run out of land after 200! Gas prices have to be low, the US could not sustain EU prices.


  • #895
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Kichote wrote: »
    Out the frying pan into the fire. They held off the european banker elite for only a few centuries but eventually they got their way and America is now at the mercy of the banks and fractional reserve lending and a massive national debt. You might know your repayments in 29 years time but feck it the banks are running the show there. Isnt America where the 'too big to fail' phrase came from?

    Each of the 50 states can decide to levy taxes on private property and at present all 50 have it. There are lots of CAHWT and Freeman type campaigns against it but none have succeeded in abolition.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/North-Dakota-property-vote/2012/06/13/id/442155

    Too big to fail must be correct since the term has been around for decades. Anyway their national debt is only mickey mouse compared to ours.

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/


  • #896
    clairefontaine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    When was the last time you drove 1000 miles on a road trip? You run out of land after 200! Gas prices have to be low, the US could not sustain EU prices.

    I would hate to think what it would cost me to drive 1000 miles in Ireland.

    The point is the disparity in what it costs a one hour trip to work in the morning for people in the US vs Ireland.

    I am suprised to hear someone forced to emigrate defending the actions of this country which will force even more people to emigrate.

    Right now their ad hoc chaotic taxes are all around 100-200 a year, but I suspect taht is just to get people to register, so they can get information like a doomsday book. Give it a few years and you will see serious taxes, but will see you improvements in education and public parks and services. NYET!


  • #897
    solas111
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭solas111


    SamHall wrote: »
    What Tayto said.

    As the govt say though, that inherited the whole thing from the last govt, and that 'they're merely cleaning up their mess'

    What they continually forget to mention though, is that they stood on the sidelines, complaining that FF/greens etc weren't spending enough!

    To sum it up, if they'd have been in power during the boom, its likely a bigger mess we'd now be in.

    For the record, I hold both parties in equal contempt, and am looking forward to a representative from either party to call to my front door.

    Afraid you’ll be a long time waiting for them to come to your front door. At best you may get some silly leaflets pushed through the letterbox as the poor buggers hurry to get out of site before they get hounded once again.

    There will be no anarchy and normal service will resume, except of course for the people who lose their homes, who have to decide between buying food or fuel etc. A General Election will come and Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour and The Greens will blame each other for the mess, make beautiful promises about how they are going to fix it all and everything will be rosy in the garden. Some poor souls will actually believe the lies and bull***t and others won’t but will probably vote for them anyway, rationalising that there is no credible alternative.

    A week later the boys will be back in the Dail bar without a political argument in site. They will raise their glasses of subsidised drink to salute each other and sit back in the soft seats while they have a good laugh at the expense of the idiots who once again fell for the load of horse manure, as they always do.


  • #898
    solas111
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭solas111


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Very poor candidate. Poor speaker too.

    Ah come on now – she’s a lot better looking than Boring Enda or Horrible Hogan.

    I never heard the girl speaking but if we have to put a bunch of losers into the big place in Kildare Street, could we not at least choose them according to looks rather than speaking ability. I think they have gone some way down this road already in Italy.


  • #899
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    : And the Irish are paying E 1. 62 per litre at the pump.
    My nearest big city apart from the one I live in is an hour away. The next ones are 400 miles plus. Last year i made a 1000 mile round trip to pick someone up at an airport.

    Factor in distances driven and you get a very similar rate.


    Lol tbh.

    I'm curious madsl, this job you left/lost in Ireland....


    Were you a goalpost shifter by Any chance?


  • #900
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    MadsL wrote: »
    It is. Shocking property taxes though, $2500 this year, and would be $5,000 if we lived in the next county.

    So you bought? Or are you renting and paying a property tax?


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  • #901
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Your past time appears to consist of writing and complaining along with whining.

    MadsL wrote: »
    Freeman mumbo jumbo. Debunked over and over.





    Thousands of expats will love you for that, but then you lose your right to vote even leaving for your holiday. Astonishingly the Irish people accept it.


    I'm sure you will feel the same when you too emigrate. :rolleyes:



    What have you done about it?



    Post up a copy of the email you wrote to the Minister about it.


    You mean you were operating under the incorrect tax basis?



    Did you complain to RTE? Post up the email you sent.



    On the contrary, I am very aware of such things, and even from here have been pointing out such things as DCC's waste of money, and more importantly actually DOING something about it rather than objecting to someone's location on an internet forum. Here is an example of ACTION rather than the usual passivity when it comes to small yet wasteful issues in Ireland.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056878726


    Why on earth would I do that? Try not to let your hatred for those of us forced to emigrate blind make you paranoid.



    A hire purchase agreement is the motor equivalent of a mortgage, renting a car is different.
    You just proved my point.
    You pay the motor tax when you take a HP agreement and purchase the vehicle, just like a mortgage and the Property Tax. You do not pay motor tax when hiring for the day, week etc - just like renting a house.


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