revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

Banjo String · 15-03-2013 01:19PM

Chinasea wrote: »

Who's fault is that?

Not sure tbh, they didn't do it during the boom either, so seeking to blame someone is pointless at this stage.

Chinasea wrote: »

What are you doing about that?

Volunteering, along with a dozen or so others from the village to tidy/maintain the place.

What's your point? I don't follow you, you've asked

I'd just be interested to know: Name one proactive contribution you have made to your local community besides emptying your 'tayto bags in the recycling bin.

and later edited it to

Name one proactive contribution you have made to your local community

I answered.

What more should I do? Clean the county council office windows of a Monday morning?

Chinasea · 15-03-2013 01:57PM

SamHall wrote: »

What more should I do? ?

Paying your property tax would be a start.

Not engaging a plumber, plaster or painter through the black economy as you suggested earlier whilst encouraging others to follow suit would be useful too.

darkhorse · 15-03-2013 02:10PM

MadsL wrote: »

Then why did you not rent instead of paying a "small fortune"?

Well, I wanted a place that me and my wife, and maybe any kids that we might have, could call our own.

Chinasea · 15-03-2013 02:12PM

username123 wrote: »

No idea what you are trying to say. Try to type in English sentences if you wish to be understood please.

You struggle to understand why someone might care about something that doesn't necessarily impinge on their immediate environment.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: (even though it happened to affect the case of the poster that you were ranting at) a concept that just whishes over your head it would appear.

Imagine, get this; there are those of us that care about matters even though they may not effect us, we may not benefit from them, we may never reap an award, but we just simply care about a bigger picture.

Fr_Fitzexactly · 15-03-2013 02:22PM

Disgraceful. In the US people pay up to $10,000 a year property tax on houses that are not even that big or valuable, the cities raise it when revenues fall due to people moving out. Not uncommon at all to hear of people moving to areas with lower property tax or having to sell. Property tax is a very bad thing

darkhorse · 15-03-2013 02:22PM

squod wrote: »

Retiring on the back of your labour. Giving you the fingers on the way out the door.

You're perfectly right there, squod. I remember a comedy sketch on the radio once, where the interviewer said to the politician: Tell us minister, what is your main aim while serving in government. The minister says to him, well, the main aim is to secure the big pension, and whatever happens after that we will wait and see.

Banjo String · 15-03-2013 02:28PM

Fr_Fitzexactly wrote: »

Disgraceful. In the US people pay up to $10,000 a year property tax on houses that are not even that big or valuable, the cities raise it when revenues fall due to people moving out. Not uncommon at all to hear of people moving to areas with lower property tax or having to sell. Property tax is a very bad thing

America also has capital punishment.

Should we copy that too?

Bullseye1 · 15-03-2013 02:29PM

SamHall wrote: »

America also has capital punishment.

Should we copy that too?

We need to copy the best ideas from everywhere as we seem incapable of coming up with our own ideas.:eek:

darkhorse · 15-03-2013 02:34PM

MadsL wrote: »

People made financial decisions that eventually crippled the country

Yep, with help from experts, oh, and no regulation, but ya know that.

tayto lover · 15-03-2013 02:36PM

Chinasea wrote: »

Oh gawd, here we go again, de bankers, de bankers de bankers and the other equally as useful roll outs, de politicians, de speculators, yada yada yada. And as for Enda Kenny, who voted for him? who voted for FF 90 million times in a row? The whinge fest mé féiner's.

Get proactive in your community. Do something useful instead of whining - it will all help.

So you reckon that these people had nothing to do with our problems and are not getting a free ride. Now that is madness.

As for your "put up and shut up" nonsense now that is just annoying and a poor attempt at deflecting. The country was mis-managed and it is continuing unabated.
Many politicians and shills would wish for the same as you funnily enough i.e. "take the s*** and smile".

As for my community, I am a huge community man. I do a lot of charity work and help those worse off than I am. That's probably why I see the damage austerity is doing and you are prepared to turn a blind eye.

Fr_Fitzexactly · 15-03-2013 02:54PM

SamHall wrote: »

America also has capital punishment.

Should we copy that too?

Wasn't suggesting Ireland copy anything at all. Like I said it's a very bad thing.

darkhorse · 15-03-2013 03:00PM

IceFjoem wrote: »

- Who are countries giving their money to? Who are the shareholders of those institutions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7SKZMpDRrM&feature=player_detailpage ?

bgrizzley · 15-03-2013 03:07PM

Fr_Fitzexactly wrote: »

Disgraceful. In the US people pay up to $10,000 a year property tax on houses that are not even that big or valuable, the cities raise it when revenues fall due to people moving out. Not uncommon at all to hear of people moving to areas with lower property tax or having to sell. Property tax is a very bad thing

just to expand a bit on Fr Fitz's point, neither is it uncommon for a home to be sold out from under a family to pay said taxes.
In the other thread not one solitary pro-hometaxer could say that would never happen in Ireland. Will anyone here?

Fight this tax, or you may lose your home!!

darkhorse · 15-03-2013 03:07PM

Chinasea wrote: »

factored in their annual charge for property tax for services at their door step.

What services are you talking about?

darkhorse · 15-03-2013 03:18PM

tayto lover wrote: »

To be honest with you I really think you must be a property/home owner to appreciate how people feel about a tax on their own home. Genuinely.

I actually do feel that there are people posting here on behalf of their party.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say that reading between the lines, this guy/girl does'nt have kids.

Banjo String · 15-03-2013 03:24PM

Fr_Fitzexactly wrote: »

Wasn't suggesting Ireland copy anything at all. Like I said it's a very bad thing.

Sorry, that post was aimed at others who've been comparing us to other US systems.

I'm in agreement with you.

dr.bollocko · 15-03-2013 04:31PM

mod:

Folks things are getting a bit heated in here. Feel free to discuss but any digs against other posters will be dealt with. I think we've had similar names get locked in similar debates recently so lets not go down that bad road again.

If you can't discuss civilly then by all means don't bother posting at all.

tayto lover · 15-03-2013 08:18PM

Again I would rather pay increased Income Tax than have a tax on my home.
A Home Tax is just not right. A home is sacred in my eyes. You can't have anything that is more private and personal than your home.

lazygal · 15-03-2013 08:28PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Again I would rather pay increased Income Tax than have a tax on my home.
A Home Tax is just not right. A home is sacred in my eyes. You can't have anything that is more private and personal than your home.

So people who rent are living somewhere that isn't sacred?

I'm a homeowner. If I chose to buy property rather than rent I live with the consequences, including a property tax. If I don't want to pay it I'll sell my house and rent. Its just bricks and mortar, not some magic temple that's sacred to me and my family.

tayto lover · 15-03-2013 08:29PM

lazygal wrote: »

So people who rent are living somewhere that isn't sacred?

I'm a homeowner. If I chose to buy property rather than rent I live with the consequences, including a property tax. If I don't want to pay it I'll sell my house and rent. Its just bricks and mortar, not some magic temple that's sacred to me and my family.

Ah but you have never been in my house

MadsL · 15-03-2013 08:31PM

username123 wrote: »

Impossible to take someone pontificating across the pond seriously, you have no idea of what things are like for people in Ireland. Its very easy to be fully in favour of something that will never affect you.

I think I would always be against people trying to hide their true circumstances from tax authorities, no matter where I live.

darkhorse wrote: »

Well, I wanted a place that me and my wife, and maybe any kids that we might have, could call our own.

But it is not your "own" until one glorious day when the bank hand you the deeds after your last payment. This addiction to property is precisely the thinking that got Ireland in a mess. At no point renting did I come home to the landlord making himself a cuppa in my kitchen.

SamHall wrote: »

Mistakes happen though, and if I missed your post stating that you owned your own property in the states, please forgive me.

To be clear - We bought as rentals were overpriced in this local market. We rented in Ireland as property was overvalued.

Please enlighten me on this, who has being paying on my behalf?

See your local boom time shopping centre/housing estate/golf course. Development levys on that paid your rates, now those guys borrowed the money to pay your rates and now are bailed out. The piper still needs to be paid. I suggest you start looking closely at what your local authority is spending it on and hold them to account next election.

MadsL · 15-03-2013 08:34PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Again I would rather pay increased Income Tax than have a tax on my home.
A Home Tax is just not right. A home is sacred in my eyes. You can't have anything that is more private and personal than your home.

My bank account is a lot more private and personal than my home. Everyone knows what I paid for my home!

Why on earth would you want more Income Tax?

tayto lover · 15-03-2013 08:36PM

MadsL wrote: »

My bank account is a lot more private and personal than my home. Everyone knows what I paid for my home!

Why on earth would you want more Income Tax?

I would rather have a tax on my wages than on my home.

MadsL · 15-03-2013 08:42PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I would rather have a tax on my wages than on my home.

So you prefer permanent non-discretionary taxes over a discretionary one? That's a first tbh.

tayto lover · 15-03-2013 08:44PM

MadsL wrote: »

So you prefer permanent non-discretionary taxes over a discretionary one? That's a first tbh.

If this Home Tax comes in it will be permanent make no mistake. It will also rise steeply too which is something they couldn't do with Income Tax.
It is not designed to be gentle.

username123 · 15-03-2013 08:50PM

MadsL wrote: »

So you prefer permanent non-discretionary taxes over a discretionary one? That's a first tbh.

How are you making out its discretionary? For anyone today who is a homeowner in negative equity, there is nothing discretionary about it. My bank will not allow me to sell my home unless I settle the outstanding NE - there are thousands like me. Ditto older people in homes 20 or 30 years. Are you suggesting they sell up and rent? Is this the society you want? Oh, you dont live here so you probably dont know how it is for people, well its difficult and if people have low income or no income there is no option except moneylending from the government with interest.

I am inclined to think that most people posting here who are in favour of this tax are not homeowners in Ireland. I must say, the opinions offered do not reflect my experiences in the real world where people are angry, upset and very very worried about how they are going to pay this. Most people I know are already struggling.

With that Im leaving this thread, as the utter lack of empathy for people in less fortunate financial circumstances is just too much for me to bear. I am worried enough about my own financial situation and to read some of the posts here just makes me think that there is no future for this country because if the heartlessness displayed is true of ordinary society then there really is no hope.

lazygal · 15-03-2013 08:54PM

I'm a homeowner in Ireland and I'm in favour of this tax. It should have been introduced years ago.

And even though I'm in negative equity, I'd love an increase in repossessions. It'll further deflate the property market meaning me and my husband will be able to afford to buy another property that's larger and rent our current home. And pay tax on both, of course.

bgrizzley · 15-03-2013 08:57PM

MadsL wrote: »

So you prefer permanent non-discretionary taxes over a discretionary one? That's a first tbh.

how do you make out LPT is discretionary? if you think you wont pay LPT cause you rent you are sorely mistaken.

In fact IIrC we had a landlord on the other thread who had added a little on top for his trouble. His tenant payed more HHC than someone who owned their own property!!!

MadsL · 15-03-2013 09:04PM

username123 wrote: »

How are you making out its discretionary? For anyone today who is a homeowner in negative equity, there is nothing discretionary about it.

A property tax is a discretionary tax because you have the choice to own property or not. That is just economics.

My bank will not allow me to sell my home unless I settle the outstanding NE - there are thousands like me.

Your NE situation doesn't change that economically the property tax is a discretionary tax.

Ditto older people in homes 20 or 30 years.

The only people in homes they bought 20 or 30 years ago that are in NE are the ones that reborrowed against the equity, the apartment in Bulgaria is it?

Are you suggesting they sell up and rent? Is this the society you want?

What the hell is wrong with renting, and had they sold up and rented in 2006 2006 they would be sitting very pretty.

Oh, you dont live here so you probably dont know how it is for people, well its difficult and if people have low income or no income there is no option except moneylending from the government with interest.

I emigrated, not for jollies, but because my wife applied for over 500 jobs over 18 months all over Europe, and I lost my job twice in 12 months. My daughter is still in school in Ireland, so spare me the "don't know how it is" as you don't live here nonsense. It is her future I'm concerned with too.

I am inclined to think that most people posting here who are in favour of this tax are not homeowners in Ireland. I must say, the opinions offered do not reflect my experiences in the real world where people are angry, upset and very very worried about how they are going to pay this. Most people I know are already struggling.

Well then, I wish you had joined me on the streets the night of the bank guarantee and bailout.

With that Im leaving this thread, as the utter lack of empathy for people in less fortunate financial circumstances is just too much for me to bear. I am worried enough about my own financial situation and to read some of the posts here just makes me think that there is no future for this country because if the heartlessness displayed is true of ordinary society then there really is no hope.

I think you lost that sympathy when you were discussing ways to avoid your husband being held jointly liable for the property, and misleading Revenue.

Banjo String · 15-03-2013 09:26PM

lazygal wrote: »

I'm a homeowner in Ireland and I'm in favour of this tax. It should have been introduced years ago.

And even though I'm in negative equity, I'd love an increase in repossessions. It'll further deflate the property market meaning me and my husband will be able to afford to buy another property that's larger and rent our current home. And pay tax on both, of course.

I wouldn't bet on that lazygal.

Unless you have the cash to bridge the gap in the negative equity, or buy outright, the bank might be very, very reluctant to give you another mortgage.

Close friends of ours wanted to go down that route, bank refused the mortgage.

I wish you and your husband the best of luck however.

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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