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  • 13-03-2013 6:19pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

    Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

    In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

    How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭bellybuster12


    OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

    Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

    In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

    How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?



    WHITE SMOKE!!!!!!

    I'm sure the new CEO will answer this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

    What better way to get people to follow your religion? "Live as we say and you'll have eternal happiness. Don't, and you'll have eternal punishment"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    The op is either a satirical joke or a ball of contradictions....

    Good laughs reading that,
    nice one :)

    If you met God in the after life Atheism would be non existent ....unless you follow the tripe of most believers are an atheist one way or the other, I believe in Thor but dont believe in Mocha therefore I'm an Atheist :S


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    because Christianity as a religion is basically an abusive relationship. I love you but will punish you unless you worship me without question, but I love you. except I get stabby.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    The expectation of the punishment of hell for non-believers is the ultimate vengeance fantasy pious ***** use to contain their internalised vindictiveness.


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  • Moderators Posts: 51,893 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    why are you asking the question in this forum, surely it's a question for the Christianity forum? :confused:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Tessa Dirty Jet


    Some of them say "separation from god IS hell, that's all there is to it" rather than the vindictive "do as I say or YOU'LL GET IN TROUBLE NAH NAH"
    Non existence would still be better though :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Christianity isn't big on opt-out clauses. You're either in or you're in. No other choices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Non existence or eternal life sounds like a ball of ****e to me...
    Sure I don't have the time to do all the adrenaline sports I pursue,climb mountains,surf Aileens, Rileys...
    Whitewater rafting.
    Fish for salmon in Russia,Canada for a few years in a row.
    Catch cod from a shingle beach,a record bass...
    Give me reincarnation as a human being any day I love life

    There's medication and professional services for people who don't want to exist,you can also call a helpline.

    Life is good enjoy it when ya can and if you're finding it hard I hope it gets better because you're worth it :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    What?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

    Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

    In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

    How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

    A loving God wouldn't put people through the torture of terminal illness and harvest them young. Logic doesn't seem to be his thing.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    koth wrote: »
    why are you asking the question in this forum, surely it's a question for the Christianity forum? :confused:
    I'm thinking its because TR is banned from there.

    Honestly, we're all agreed the concept is nonsense; it's probably one of the main reasons people here don't believe.

    Failing to see any point to this thread, tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Some Christians do believe the final punishment is non-existence, it's called Annihilationism. Others believe that everyone will be (eventually) saved, which is known as universalism. Both views are a lot more common than people think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Geomy wrote: »
    Non existence or eternal life sounds like a ball of ****e to me...
    Sure I don't have the time to do all the adrenaline sports I pursue,climb mountains,surf Aileens, Rileys...
    Whitewater rafting.
    Fish for salmon in Russia,Canada for a few years in a row.
    Catch cod from a shingle beach,a record bass...
    Give me reincarnation as a human being any day I love life

    There's medication and professional services for people who don't want to exist,you can also call a helpline.

    Life is good enjoy it when ya can and if you're finding it hard I hope it gets better because you're worth it :)

    Bertie? Is that you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    Bertie? Is that you?

    Not at all at all love,this is Mr Happy
    But people should avail of all the professional help they need,thinking of not wanting to exist is not good.
    Anyone who doesn't enjoy life is entitled to a good life,help is out there :)

    Bertie ????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Some Christians do believe the final punishment is non-existence, it's called Annihilationism. Others believe that everyone will be (eventually) saved, which is known as universalism. Both views are a lot more common than people think.

    Well in all fairness,how can non existence be a punishment ?

    Sure if you don't exist,you won't be able to be conscious of non existence...

    The whole point of punishment is to learn some sort of lesson or feel remorse for the reason you were punished in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Geomy wrote: »
    Not at all at all love,this is Mr Happy
    But people should avail of all the professional help they need,thinking of not wanting to exist is not good.
    Anyone who doesn't enjoy life is entitled to a good life,help is out there :)

    Bertie ????




    Swap 'existence' for 'economy' and you get the picture...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    Geomy wrote: »

    Well in all fairness,how can non existence be a punishment ?

    You're asking this regarding an institution based largely on peoples fear of death?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

    Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

    In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

    How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?

    Why does it even have to be cease to exist.

    Why didn't this "loving" God simply make us eternal to begin with, here on Earth?








    .... Cause it's not real :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Some Christians do believe the final punishment is non-existence, it's called Annihilationism. Others believe that everyone will be (eventually) saved, which is known as universalism. Both views are a lot more common than people think.

    Eh how could Universalism work? Whether the Christian god exists or not there are many of us out there who would consider him a right prick so he'd either have to put up with us in heaven complaining about him or change our very minds (wherever they happen to be in a soul) which makes him an even scarier prick when you think about it, as free will is only temporary and all it results in is a bit of punishment followed by some soul brainwashing before welcoming whatever version of us exists in to heaven; Because it sure as hell (lol) wouldn't be the same person. Actually that's a more terrifying idea than hell!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    OK, so Jesus gives a choice. Follow me and you go upstairs to the party otherwise you go downstairs and burn for eternity. That doesn't sound like a very nice choice. Why can't we just get an option to cease to exist? We neither go to heaven or hell?

    Surely that would be minimum a loving God should give us?

    In fact, if he was really loving we should get a few more options such as reincarnation? OR going to another heaven where atheists could leave in peace and try and set up their own community?

    How come we get a come with me or the worst possible existence you could imagine?
    Slow day in the office I take it :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Having to spend eternity with the religious is my idea of the ultimate punishment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Penn wrote: »
    What better way to get people to follow your religion? "Live as we say and you'll have eternal happiness. Don't, and you'll have eternal punishment"

    It's an extension of the old tactic of "if you don't follow god's will you'll get et by the lions."

    It's just slightly more sophisticated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Geomy wrote: »
    If you met God in the after life Atheism would be non existent

    If I met god in a non-existent place everybody would believe in him? Maybe he'll convince me that 2+2=5 as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Eh how could Universalism work? Whether the Christian god exists or not there are many of us out there who would consider him a right prick

    He is a prick, full stop. Any rational reading of the bible will show that god is simply one of those kids who is wont to pulling the wings off living flies and setting cats tails on fire, just with a lot more power and a following.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy



    If I met god in a non-existent place everybody would believe in him? Maybe he'll convince me that 2+2=5 as well.

    Is that the Christian God or are you referring to Mocha ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Geomy wrote: »
    Is that the Christian God or are you referring to Mocha ?

    Mocha - The God of Coffee? :confused:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocha

    Or do you mean Macha - The Goddess.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    Mocha - The God of Coffee? :confused:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocha

    Or do you mean Macha - The Goddess.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macha

    I'll be having hot cross buns and a Mocha with Macha on good Friday
    :)

    Macha the goddess I meant thanks for the correction :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Geomy wrote: »
    I'll be having hot cross buns and a Mocha with Macha on good Friday
    :)

    Macha the goddess I meant thanks for the correction :)

    Oh you don't want to have mocha with Macha :eek:... she makes Kali look laid back.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    Oh you don't want to have mocha with Macha :eek:... she makes Kali look laid back.

    Shile Ni Gig is a better bet lol

    Nothing like a lie in with Shile ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Geomy wrote: »
    Shile Ni Gig is a better bet lol

    Nothing like a lie in with Shile ;)

    Síle is grand as long as she is wearing trousers in public - if she has a skirt on just run away and pretend you don't know her...:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    Síle is grand as long as she is wearing trousers in public - if she has a skirt on just run away and pretend you don't know her...:cool:

    Ah we meet in old lonely churches and graveyards :)

    I'll bring a flask

    Does she dwell in many places around North Kerry :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    Síle is grand as long as she is wearing trousers in public - if she has a skirt on just run away and pretend you don't know her...:cool:

    Ah we meet in old lonely churches and graveyards :)

    I'll bring a flask

    Does she dwell in many places around North Kerry :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Don't mention the magical wizards sleeve :S


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Geomy wrote: »
    Is that the Christian God or are you referring to Mocha ?

    All gods are true, given the same value for truth (i.e. fable). So take your pick on whichever make believe monster is out there.
    Oh and clearly I was referring to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He touched me with his noodly appendage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Mr Sandman I like him...
    Jack Frost is cool too :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Geomy wrote: »
    Mr Sandman I like him...

    You haven't read Gaiman's take on him, then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Sarky wrote: »

    You haven't read Gaiman's take on him, then?

    Not yet dude :)

    Just googled it,sounds dark and scary lol

    I'll check out that comic place in Galway they might have it in hardback

    Thanking you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Geomy wrote: »
    Not yet dude :)

    Just googled it,sounds dark and scary lol

    I'll check out that comic place in Galway they might have it in hardback

    Thanking you

    No, it's fantastic like :D

    Darn you and your ninja edit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    kylith wrote: »

    No, it's fantastic like :D

    Darn you and your ninja edit.

    I'd prefer Slaine to the Ninjas lol

    I love the aul dark stuff :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Insofar as an utterly inhuman, unfathomable lord of dream and nightmare who is also the kingdom he rules can be considered fantastic. I'd have said friggin' terrifying was more apt myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    LOVE Neil Gaiman. Love his Sandman, but haven't read it for years. Nice one - must look it out again. May I recommend his short stories? "Fragile things" is the only book of them I can remember - fab. Go find. :)


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