The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

koth wrote: »

You're not being consistent. You're saying that the evidence is weighed in favour of creationism/ID but that there isn't a story about evidence being suppressed (i.e. a global scientific conspiracy). These are conflicting ideas. They both can't be true. So either there isn't any evidence or there is a global conspiracy.

So which is it?

There is evidence in favour of the God Hypothesis ... but any Hypothesis involving God isn't regarded as a valid hypothesis by conventional science.

It's a kind of a circular situation ... where the twain cannot meet.

doctoremma wrote: »

I don't expect you to accept it. I guess it was too much to even expect you to understand it (given the second part of your post).

Fortunately, scientific endeavour doesn't require your acceptance of its rules. However, if you want to play at science, you have to follow the rules. You can't bend them just because you feel like it.

I agree that there must be rules and that they should be followed within science.

I'm asking for the rules to be changed ... to allow supernatural explanations to be pursued within 'origins' science ... because a supernatural cause is a substantive and real contender as the 'origins' reason.

If this is done ... different hypotheses can be framed to follow and test all of the evidence wherever it may lead.

koth wrote: »

and we're back to the global conspiracy to suppress evidence in favour of creationism/ID.

So why are all the scientists that are not atheists willing to abandon their integrity to suppress evidence that actually meshes with their personal worldview?

And do you have examples of the evidence that supports creationism/ID?

Origins science is following its own rules on this issue ... so there isn't a conspiracy ... the rules just need to be changed to allow a supernatural cause to be investigated.

ManMade wrote: »

Carbon dated between 60 and 70 million years old. Science.

It isn't science (of any type) to claim that a t-rex has been carbon dated as 60-70 myo. The theoretical maximum 'age' that can be carbon-dated is less than 50,000 years ... and it is only reliable up to about 10,000 years old.

ManMade wrote: »

Or....

Some people believe we are the second test.

The first try was a disaster because a t-rex ate jesus, so god killed the dinosaurs and put each one in a stone to pay for their sins...

And then 60 million years later he decided to make a man and a woman (adam and lilith) but because lilith wanted to be on top, god kicked her out of the garden and made adam a second wife (eve).

Then came a period where god turned the dirt into animals.


I believe my new theory has as much truth behind it as creationism.

I call it puke science.

Your ideas are very creative ... but they're neither grounded in science or theology.

tim3000 wrote: »

That would just be legitimizing this "theory". But I am curious as to how you would experiment/test for a supernatural creator?? Perhaps you could shed some light on this?

All Theists would have no problem legitimizing the hypothesis that God exists ... and because I'm of a liberal outlook I also welcome research into the hypothesis that God doesn't exist as well.

tim3000 wrote: »

But how would you test for this? I cannot think of any viable experimental parameters that could test for a Creator. I must ask has this thread had any impact on your belief in creationism?

Everything from invalidating the MTM (Molecules too Man) Evolution Hypotheses, to the discovery and evaluation of CFSI (Complex Functional Specified Information) in life, to the finding that the 'Fossil Record' is a record of Flood burial and therefore 'a history of death' and catastrophic destruction rather than a 'history of life' and evolution.

Evolution has been assumed to account for the assumed contiuum between Pondkind and Mankind ... when it is only capable of accounting for speciation/variation within Kinds using pre-existing genetic diversity.
The Intelligent Design Hypothesis has effectively proven the actions of an Intelligence of Divine proportions by analysing the CFSI of life.
ID is standing at the doors of conventional 'origins' science and knocking ... so far all that is happened is that it has been told to 'clear off' ... or words to that effect.

... and my belief in Creation has been greatly strengthened by this thread ... I never realised just how little actual evidence exists for MTM Evolution (as distinct from bluster and ad hominems).

Masteroid wrote: »

That's a lie.

Two lies in fact.

You are openly and unashamedly bearing false witness.

To lie about somebody who is telling the truth is bearing false witness ... so it is you who are bearing false witness against me.

Miller-Urey et al proved that only about half of the amino acids required for life could be produced using sophisticated lab techniques ... and they were produced as a racemate ... which would be useless for life.

ID has produced proven means to identify the 'fingerprint' of intelligent actions ... and living systems have these 'fingerprints' in every aspect of their activity.

maguffin wrote: »

The one question that JC completely avoides answering throughout this entire debate.

Why?.....because he knows that there are no such tests available (despite his continuous reference to such tests having been done!)

Truth will out, JC....and the truth is you haven't a clue!!

I have repeatedly answered the question:-
Here it is again ...

Everything from invalidating the MTM (Molecules to Man) Evolution Hypotheses, to the discovery and evaluation of CFSI (Complex Functional Specified Information) in life, to the finding that the 'Fossil Record' is a record of Flood burial and therefore 'a history of death' and catastrophic destruction rather than a 'history of life' and evolution.

Evolution has been assumed to account for the assumed contiuum between Pondkind and Mankind ... when it is only capable of accounting for speciation/variation within Kinds using pre-existing genetic diversity.
The Intelligent Design Hypothesis has effectively proven the actions of an Intelligence of Divine proportions by analysing the CFSI of life.
ID is standing at the doors of conventional 'origins' science and knocking ... so far all that is happened is that it has been told to 'clear off' ... or words to that effect.

ManMade wrote: »

You believe in a unproven super being who created everything and judges everyone and you question radio dating? And dinosaurs lived less than 10000 years ago! Do you listen to yourself? *facepalm*

Some 'Dinosurs' (real terrible reptiles) are alive today. You seem to be forgetting that Crocodile fossils are found alongside so-called 'Dinosaurs' like T-Rex ...
... and crocodiles are more fearsome than the vast majority of so-called 'Dinosurs' ... and they haven't changed one iota since their fossils were formed ... which indicates that 10,000 years is just about it at the most!!!
... and Crocodiles would also be called 'Dinosaurs' if they were extinct.

... and I believe in God because I know that He lives ... and reigns.
... and I question radio-dating ... because it is highly questionable.