revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

Bullseye1 · 13-03-2013 03:25PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Their services are generally better across the board. That's the kicker. Too much of this extra cash will be wasted. History has shown this.

Starting with trips away for St. Patricks day:pac:

Bullseye1 · 13-03-2013 03:27PM

ART6 wrote: »

The government has used this comparison with the UK to justify it "low" property tax. It's not the taxpayer who has done that. However, if we are going to take such a comparison, and argue that the money will be used to fund local authorities then OK. If I lived in NI I might find myself paying a property tax of around €1,300 pa so I'm told, so the €315 a year that I look like having to pay sounds reasonable, doesn't it? At least it does until I look at what funding I will then actually be providing for local services:

1. Motor tax €710 pa. paid to the LA to fund services.
2. Bin charge €260 pa.
3. Property tax €315 pa.

Total €1,285

However, It's still probably reasonable, and a whole €15 less than I would pay in NI, so that's alright then. The government has been truthful as usual. Except that when I look at the excellent local services that I enjoy: A road without pavements, drainage, or lighting, full of potholes. No public transport at all. The nearest sub post office six miles away because An Post closed our village PO. A mains water supply that is regularly disconnected because of bursts and when it is working it delivers foul water that is unusable until it has been filtered through activated charcoal. The nearest Garda station eight miles away and no local patrols ever, so burglaries are quite common.

Still, mustn't complain. At least the government has kept its promise to not increase income tax. True, there is a Universal Social Charge that is levied as a percentage of income just as income tax is, but it is of course not an income tax. In my case it looks like being around €2,100 this year.

Thanks FG/Labour. I really enjoy being treated like a mentally deficient cash cow by cheating, lying parasites like you!:mad:

Absolutely and they also changed how PRSi is calculated, I bet people have noticed a reduction in take home pay already. "We won't touch income tax"....me ass.

ART6 · 13-03-2013 04:51PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Absolutely and they also changed how PRSi is calculated, I bet people have noticed a reduction in take home pay already. "We won't touch income tax"....me ass.

This is why I have come to detest this coalition for treating us all like fools. "We won't increase income tax. We'll just slap on another tax or three on your income and call it something else. We expect that you will accept this because we believe that you are all too stupid to understand."

I just hope that the grinning ape Kenny, the sour faced, scowling Noonan, and that over-sized dinosaur Hoganosaurus rot in hell for what they have done to the people who believed them and elected them. My only satisfaction is that I didn't vote for them because I didn't believe a damned word they said, so now I go around boasting "I told you so!"

Bruthal · 13-03-2013 08:50PM

mikom wrote: »

House NCT's on the way.
You heard it here first............ I'm not even joking.
Once you are registered up, you're fucked

Yea all they need now is a valid tax disk displayed on living room windows next.

Le_Dieux · 13-03-2013 09:07PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Nobody will be calling to your house to collect it....[/QUO

How do You know?

Bruthal · 13-03-2013 09:18PM

username123 wrote: »

Good, I need something to wipe my arse with.

Then return to sender.

Le_Dieux · 13-03-2013 09:53PM

SamHall wrote: »

In fairness now......

When on the subject of 'invented' arguments, didn't you come up with the gem of an argument as to how employees of very successful private companies, such as online gambling giants, and airlines should be fuming about the fact their bosses get paid many times more than Enda Kenny?

I could be wrong here, but Michael O'Learys of this world aren't paying themselves with taxpayers money, borrowed with interest to run a bankrupt country.

You also come up with the suggestion that we should apprehend Sinn Fein on 'how you could lose your home' if a homeowner didn't pay their rates in the north.

Next up, give out to Tesco staff about the crap yoghurts on sale in centra.

EXCELLENT retort Sam...brilliant!!

mikom · 13-03-2013 10:05PM

mikom wrote: »

House NCT's on the way.
You heard it here first............ I'm not even joking.
Once you are registered up, you're fucked

It begins.......

Galwayguy35 on the septic tank charge thread wrote: »

I thought this was a once off inspection but I got a letter out today telling me that I will have to renew the registration in 2017.

billyhead · 13-03-2013 10:31PM

Does anyone know if your an owner of an affordable house with the county council if you still have to pay a full or reduced rate i.e €90

flutered · 13-03-2013 11:03PM

Chinasea wrote: »

You have not told me where we shall get the money to pay for services to your door but:

We could drag up of tons of multifaceted minorities, majorities and Skivers and mé féiners who 'can't afford' to pay or live anywhere at any given time. It would be endless. We will always have poor just like we will always have prostitution.

What I won't entertain is wasting any more of my time time dancing around fellow citizens who advocate skiving out of paying badly needed tax for his beloved country, not only by trying to incite mass noncompliance in this case but blatantly advocating employing someone on the black market to do his plumbing etc.

yes we could, but why can you not answer two simple questions, as you have been asked to many times.

MadYaker · 13-03-2013 11:13PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

It is funny how we only like to compare ourselves to the UK when talkig about taxes...."the UK had property tax why shouldn't we"....but to compare the deficit and "the UK is different its silly to compare ourselves with regards our deficit".

I never said we should have a property tax because the UK have one, and it is unreasonable to compare our deficit to the UK's.

Xenophile · 13-03-2013 11:18PM

SamHall wrote: »

Revenue have began to bare their teeth,and issue a threat to every eligible homeowner on the island that 'they'll get you'.

Let's hope there is anarchy on the streets!

I'll not be paying this, and if they forcibly take it from me, I'll have to resort to doing a lot of black market work to recoup it.

I own my house, I worked hard to provide it, payed all costs associated with building improvements to it, I have soley maintained it, and paid tens of thousands in stamp duty already on it.

In short, revenue can go and shíte. :mad:

I hope their are thousands beside me in the queue.

Do you think this will threaten Bono as well, do you think he will join you in a protest in the streets ?................................ I have my doubts! I don't think so.

I hope their are thousands beside me in the queue.[/QUOTE]

I hope their are thousands beside me in the queue.[/QUOTE]

darkhorse · 13-03-2013 11:38PM

Xenophile wrote: »

Do you think this will threaten Bono as well, do you think he will join you in a protest in the streets ?................................ I have my doubts! I don't think so.

I hope their are thousands beside me in the queue.

I hope their are thousands beside me in the queue.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Are you a parrot?

dxhound2005 · 13-03-2013 11:42PM

SamHall wrote: »

In fairness now......

When on the subject of 'invented' arguments, didn't you come up with the gem of an argument as to how employees of very successful private companies, such as online gambling giants, and airlines should be fuming about the fact their bosses get paid many times more than Enda Kenny?

I could be wrong here, but Michael O'Learys of this world aren't paying themselves with taxpayers money, borrowed with interest to run a bankrupt country.

You also come up with the suggestion that we should apprehend Sinn Fein on 'how you could lose your home' if a homeowner didn't pay their rates in the north.

Next up, give out to Tesco staff about the crap yoghurts on sale in centra.

Just for the sake of accuracy this is what I actually posted. Your precis does not convey the correct sense of my argument.

It's good to see that the recession has passed over a lot of the private sector and they are doing nicely. Like the gambling companies, the Pay TV companies and the airlines.

If any of their employees are suffering a pay cut they should be jumping up and down asking why their top brass are getting 5 or 7 times as much as the Taoiseach.

If I was an employee of a company where the bosses paid themselves €2 million a year I would be asking questions about that if they cut my wages.

Banjo String · 13-03-2013 11:46PM

Xenophile wrote: »

Do you think this will threaten Bono as well, do you think he will join you in a protest in the streets ?................................ I have my doubts! I don't think

Yeah, cos bono doesn't evade Tax after all.

13-03-2013 11:49PM

lol asking for a payrise from the private company boss.

Two hopes dx, two hopes.

Edit: referred to wrong poster.

dxhound2005 · 13-03-2013 11:57PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

lol asking for a payrise from the private company boss.

Two hopes dx, two hopes.

Edit: referred to wrong poster.

Some people are getting a rise.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/salaries-rising-again-as-private-sector-workers-enjoying-higher-increases-than-public-service-28939956.html

Banjo String · 14-03-2013 12:08AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Just for the sake of accuracy this is what I actually posted. Your precis does not convey the correct sense of my argument.

It's good to see that the recession has passed over a lot of the private sector and they are doing nicely. Like the gambling companies, the Pay TV companies and the airlines.

If any of their employees are suffering a pay cut they should be jumping up and down asking why their top brass are getting 5 or 7 times as much as the Taoiseach.

If I was an employee of a company where the bosses paid themselves €2 million a year I would be asking questions about that if they cut my wages.

It is still a nonsensical argument.

Enda Kenny, Taoiseach of Ireland, salary €200,000.
Ireland running a deficit of close to 12 billion a year, money needed to be borrowed from the the markets, repaid by Tax payer, with interest to pay his salary.

What the owners/MD's of huge private companies get paid is of no concern to me, I'mnot funding their lifestyle through taxes. Besides, that is how capitalism functions after all.

Although some in our country only embrace capitalism when it suits.

dxhound2005 · 14-03-2013 12:16AM

SamHall wrote: »

It is still a nonsensical argument.

Enda Kenny, Taoiseach of Ireland, salary €200,000.
Ireland running a deficit of close to 12 billion a year, money needed to be borrowed from the the markets, repaid by Tax payer, with interest to pay his salary.

What the owners/MD's of huge private countries get paid is of no concern to me, I'mnot funding their lifestyle through taxes. Besides, that is how capitalism functions after all.

Although some in our country only embrace capitalism when it suits.

How about this for an idea. Set the salaries for politicians at a level that would attract this talent which is so valuable in the private sector. After all politics is not a vocation. These guys would do a far better job of running the country, wouldn't they?

Banjo String · 14-03-2013 12:55AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

How about this for an idea. Set the salaries for politicians at a level that would attract this talent which is so valuable in the private sector. After all politics is not a vocation. These guys would do a far better job of running the country, wouldn't they?

Are you a politician?

darkhorse · 14-03-2013 01:17AM

SamHall wrote: »

Are you a politician?

I think he is, cause he does'nt like answering questions.

Le_Dieux · 14-03-2013 08:07AM

darkhorse wrote: »

I think he is, cause he does'nt like answering questions.

As You well know DH...seems to be a trait from the pro brigade/td's/cllrs. (take your pick to describe these people).

mfceiling · 14-03-2013 08:15AM

SamHall wrote: »

It is still a nonsensical argument.

Enda Kenny, Taoiseach of Ireland, salary €200,000.
Ireland running a deficit of close to 12 billion a year, money needed to be borrowed from the the markets, repaid by Tax payer, with interest to pay his salary.

What the owners/MD's of huge private countries get paid is of no concern to me, I'mnot funding their lifestyle through taxes. Besides, that is how capitalism functions after all.

Although some in our country only embrace capitalism when it suits.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

How about this for an idea. Set the salaries for politicians at a level that would attract this talent which is so valuable in the private sector. After all politics is not a vocation. These guys would do a far better job of running the country, wouldn't they?

Don't want to sound smart but how many school teachers in the government deserve €200,000 or anything close to it?

What is the average wage for a school teacher - probably multiples for working in politics - better holidays in the daíl too.

Geuze · 14-03-2013 01:51PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

So, the Local Property Tax is paid by all homeowners including local authorities and then (if we take the gubberments word on this) distributed back to the Local Authority? They send their money to Revenue just for Revenue to send it straight back to them?

YES.

I suppose it does sound strange, a bit circular.

But yes, the LA, as house owners, will pay the new LPT into the Local Govt Fund.

BUT, note that if say, Tipp county, pay 100k in LPT, they won't get exactly that 100k back.

If the LPT in county x is 5m, it's not the case that county x will get exactly that 5m in LPT.

There is a formula to redistribute the LGF, as there always has been.

weiland79 · 14-03-2013 04:27PM

I've just filled out the daft.ie property tax calculator and it says that my tax for 2014 is double that of 2013. Is this correct and if so WTF!

seamus189 · 14-03-2013 04:30PM

weiland79 wrote: »

I've just filled out the daft.ie property tax calculator and it says that my tax for 2014 is double that of 2013. Is this correct and if so WTF!

2013 tax charge is only pro rata for a portion of the year while 2014 will be a whole year's charge.

delw · 14-03-2013 04:33PM

weiland79 wrote: »

I've just filled out the daft.ie property tax calculator and it says that my tax for 2014 is double that of 2013. Is this correct and if so WTF!

AFAIK we will only be paying from June this year,ie half a year so 2014 will be double

Banjo String · 14-03-2013 04:40PM

Have any of you even considered, that the half-year payment for 2013 was a ploy to get more and more to register?

Next year, 2014 will be an increase of 100% from this year, then when its bumped up by less than that again i (so less than 100% rise) in future years, you'll be told to count your lucky stars.

Its a big scam, you've been warned.

seamus · 14-03-2013 04:43PM

SamHall wrote: »

Have any of you even considered, that the half-year payment for 2013 was a ploy to get more and more to register?

Next year, 2014 will be an increase of 100% for this year, them when its bumped up by less than that again in future years, you'll be told to count your lucky stars.

Its a big scam, you've been warned.

At no stage was the nature of this ever hidden or otherwise made unclear. The half-year payment was explained on two counts;

1. To give Revenue time to get their systems in place to implement this
2. So that people weren't landed with a full liability just 3 months after the tax was announced.

How can something be a scam when it was clearly spelled out that this year was a half payment and next year a full payment?

Banjo String · 14-03-2013 04:52PM

seamus wrote: »

At no stage was the nature of this ever hidden or otherwise made unclear. The half-year payment was explained on two counts;

1. To give Revenue time to get their systems in place to implement this
2. So that people weren't landed with a full liability just 3 months after the tax was announced.

How can something be a scam when it was clearly spelled out that this year was a half payment and next year a full payment?

What will it rise to post 2016 Seamus?

Will it take a motor Tax style jump in price? Motor Tax, which incidentally gets funnelled into the exact same pot this charge is (allegedly) going to?

I don't buy into it, its a scam, a load of baloney, and its riddled with flaws.

Here's a question Seamus, what if someone buys a house next month, will they pay stamp duty, then property Tax in the summer?

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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