revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

tayto lover · 12-03-2013 11:09AM

Man at door ---- "I'm from the Revenue and i'm looking for your Property Tax"

Tayto

"Come on in and i'll help you search for it".

MadYaker · 12-03-2013 01:48PM

Nobody will be calling to your house to collect it....

username123 · 12-03-2013 01:51PM

SamHall wrote: »

Add to this the already mountainous task they have from the real tax evaders in the country, they'll certainly have their hands full.

This is it!!! The Five Point Plan - in action!

1. Introduce an unfair and contentious tax.
2. Get everyone riled up with the media reporting all sorts of threats.
3. Make sure ability to pay is irrelevant.
4. Have Revenue overrun with non payers, people paying the wrong amount, etc...
5. Have to employ more people in Revenue!

Ill send them a CV. But not the tax

Chips Lovell · 12-03-2013 02:14PM

zerks wrote: »

Nobody has really clarified this but are LA houses exempt ala the HHC?

Surprisingly, they're not exempt.

ART6 · 12-03-2013 06:13PM

I read in the newspapers that the chairman (woman -- person) who is the chief executive of the Revenue Commissioners has warned staff in revenue offices to be aware of the dangers of public reactions to this tax. She has stressed that "measures are in place to deal with that".

No-one can condone threats the Revenue staff, who are only doing their jobs while they have them, and are probably just as much affected by this draconian tax as everyone else. However, I can't help thinking that if this woman (wolf) has kept her lips a little more tightly buttoned and not issued so many threats to pursue non-payers to the grave and beyond, her staff might not be quite so much at risk?

Oh well, welcome to democratic Ireland, where a civil servant can threaten the people and the ministers don't give a damn what anyone thinks because they have now passed the date at which their pensions become guaranteed (after two years!). Twenty one million euros of them, if anyone is interested.

Just lately I have had this recurring dream where I have been buried in my local churchyard, propping up the foundations of the church with my mortal remains. Then one day there will be a firm knocking on my box. It will be an official from the Revenue who will point out to me that the FG/Labour government has decided that a plot in a graveyard constitutes and asset, and so I now owe them XXX euros per annum in local council tax or I will be evicted and my hole in the ground will be sold to recover my debt. Having no money I will have to leave, and a bank using money provided by living taxpayers will acquire my plot for a knock-down price (with several thousand others). They will then sell my hole in the ground to someone else in a mortgage agreement that will allow them to repossess that hole whenever they choose.

I will be forced to wander the earth with the flesh hanging off my bones. I won't even be able to join the Boards.ie zombie forum because I won't have the means of paying the new TV licence fee even if my decaying fingers could work a keyboard. Others will, of course, be affected, and if this carries on then sooner or later Ireland will become a nation of zombies in debt to the banks and the ECB (what? Happened already?).

The only thought that gives me any comfort is that when that archangel guy finally decides to blow his trumpet, I might meet Kenny, Noonan, Hogan, Howlin and all of the other chancers and give each a firm kick up the a**e.:)

Boombastic · 12-03-2013 06:16PM

ART6 wrote: »

I read in the newspapers that the chairman (woman -- person) who is the chief executive of the Revenue Commissioners has warned staff in revenue offices to be aware of the dangers of public reactions to this tax. She has stressed that "measures are in place to deal with that".

No-one can condone threats the Revenue staff, who are only doing their jobs while they have them, and are probably just as much affected by this draconian tax as everyone else. However, I can't help thinking that if this woman (wolf) has kept her lips a little more tightly buttoned and not issued so many threats to pursue non-payers to the grave and beyond, her staff might not be quite so much at risk?

Oh well, welcome to democratic Ireland, where a civil servant can threaten the people and the ministers don't give a damn what anyone thinks because they have now passed the date at which their pensions become guaranteed (after two years!). Twenty one million euros of them, if anyone is interested.

Just lately I have had this recurring dream where I have been buried in my local churchyard, propping up the foundations of the church with my mortal remains. Then one day there will be a firm knocking on my box. It will be an official from the Revenue who will point out to me that the FG/Labour government has decided that a plot in a graveyard constitutes and asset, and so I now owe them XXX euros per annum in local council tax or I will be evicted and my hole in the ground will be sold to recover my debt. Having no money I will have to leave, and a bank using money provided by living taxpayers will acquire my plot for a knock-down price (with several thousand others). They will then sell my hole in the ground to someone else in a mortgage agreement that will allow them to repossess that hole whenever they choose.

I will be forced to wander the earth with the flesh hanging off my bones. I won't even be able to join the Boards.ie zombie forum because I won't have the means of paying the new TV licence fee even if my decaying fingers could work a keyboard. Others will, of course, be affected, and if this carries on then sooner or later Ireland will become a nation of zombies in debt to the banks and the ECB (what? Happened already?).

The only thought that gives me any comfort is that when that archangel guy finally decides to blow his trumpet, I might meet Kenny, Noonan, Hogan, Howlin and all of the other chancers and give each a firm kick up the a**e.:)

Sure they're only following orders, now where have I heard that before? Let me think....

Chips Lovell · 12-03-2013 06:26PM

Josephine Feehily didn't write the legislation

bgrizzley · 12-03-2013 06:33PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Surprisingly, they're not exempt.

wow, ive just seen this. probably the only smart move they made since the start of the hhc/lpt debacle. exempting them for the HHC so as to have less opposition, then roping them as low hanging fruit for the LPT.

Another example of FG divide and conquer techniques.

Bruthal · 12-03-2013 07:04PM

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Hi B

Mind me asking whats the link to check the valuation on my house? Am shít scared to download their pdf file as it may give away my id. I don't trust these gang one bit, and believe they'll do ANYTHING to get my details.

Here is the map thing, a bit vague as said,

Once you see their estimated band for your house by clicking "view map" after you select the county, house type and before or after year 2000, the tax is midway in the bad x 0.0018, so for band 150 - 200k, its 175k x 0.0018 = €315 for 2014, and €157 for this year.

On the map you click your area to get their estimate of average house values within the area that will be highlighted when you click the map.

No need to worry about downloading the PDF anyway.

Le_Dieux · 12-03-2013 07:09PM

ART6 wrote: »

I read in the newspapers that the chairman (woman -- person) who is the chief executive of the Revenue Commissioners has warned staff in revenue offices to be aware of the dangers of public reactions to this tax. She has stressed that "measures are in place to deal with that".

No-one can condone threats the Revenue staff, who are only doing their jobs while they have them, and are probably just as much affected by this draconian tax as everyone else. However, I can't help thinking that if this woman (wolf) has kept her lips a little more tightly buttoned and not issued so many threats to pursue non-payers to the grave and beyond, her staff might not be quite so much at risk?

Oh well, welcome to democratic Ireland, where a civil servant can threaten the people and the ministers don't give a damn what anyone thinks because they have now passed the date at which their pensions become guaranteed (after two years!). Twenty one million euros of them, if anyone is interested.

Just lately I have had this recurring dream where I have been buried in my local churchyard, propping up the foundations of the church with my mortal remains. Then one day there will be a firm knocking on my box. It will be an official from the Revenue who will point out to me that the FG/Labour government has decided that a plot in a graveyard constitutes and asset, and so I now owe them XXX euros per annum in local council tax or I will be evicted and my hole in the ground will be sold to recover my debt. Having no money I will have to leave, and a bank using money provided by living taxpayers will acquire my plot for a knock-down price (with several thousand others). They will then sell my hole in the ground to someone else in a mortgage agreement that will allow them to repossess that hole whenever they choose.

I will be forced to wander the earth with the flesh hanging off my bones. I won't even be able to join the Boards.ie zombie forum because I won't have the means of paying the new TV licence fee even if my decaying fingers could work a keyboard. Others will, of course, be affected, and if this carries on then sooner or later Ireland will become a nation of zombies in debt to the banks and the ECB (what? Happened already?).

The only thought that gives me any comfort is that when that archangel guy finally decides to blow his trumpet, I might meet Kenny, Noonan, Hogan, Howlin and all of the other chancers and give each a firm kick up the a**e.:)

The woman You are referring to was on the PK show. Think She is arrogant? Earlier that morning I heard Varadker on Morning Ireland. Man, He is one arrogant bastard. Turned me off straight away.

Bruthal · 12-03-2013 07:16PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Income Tax is about as much linked to your ability to pay as property tax is.

Income tax does take account of income, property tax does not.

If the person is struggling, then the income tax may not take account of it directly. but will the property tax bill reduce when a persons income is slashed?

Bruthal · 12-03-2013 07:27PM

Le_Dieux wrote: »

The woman You are referring to was on the PK show. Think She is arrogant? Earlier that morning I heard Varadker on Morning Ireland. Man, He is one arrogant bastard. Turned me off straight away.

He was some buachaill alright, the usual manner of being detached and unaffected by the serious problems of people he mentioned when he said if they cant afford their bills and mortgages, the property tax will be the least of their problems.

ART6 · 12-03-2013 07:32PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Josephine Feehily didn't write the legislation

No. But she could, perhaps, stop issuing threats to the people who pay her exalted salary as a public SERVANT.

smash · 12-03-2013 07:36PM

I wouldnt want to see anyone getting threats but I'd love to see the revenue staff go on strike because of the possibility of threats.

tayto lover · 12-03-2013 07:38PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Josephine Feehily didn't write the legislation

Maybe not but she did display a fair degree of venom.

smileyj1987 · 12-03-2013 07:51PM

If your house it worth less then the mortgage then they owe you money !

squod · 12-03-2013 07:57PM

ART6 wrote: »

only doing their jobs.........

So were the german army during WW2.

Banjo String · 12-03-2013 08:00PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

If your house it worth less then the mortgage then they owe you money !

But your house is an 'asset', that 'generates an income' apparently.

Even if your mortgaged up to your neck, with a house worth half of the mortgage.

relax carry on · 12-03-2013 08:36PM

Just in response to the various posters here who seem to have issues with the way Revenue are implementing the property tax, how would you collect it based on the legislation enacted and limited staff resources available?

smileyj1987 · 12-03-2013 08:38PM

relax carry on wrote: »

Just in response to the various posters here who seem to have issues with the way Revenue are implementing the property tax, how would you collect it based on the legislation enacted and limited staff resources available?

Not charge a property tax at all !

username123 · 12-03-2013 08:39PM

relax carry on wrote: »

Just in response to the various posters here who seem to have issues with the way Revenue are implementing the property tax, how would you collect it based on the legislation enacted and limited staff resources available?

It is the legislation enacted that is unfair.

Account should be taken of ability to pay. Someone who is already in debt, in mortgage arrears, on social welfare, redundant, retired, low income, (choose your reason) - is not going to be helped by the mounting debt plus interest of the deferral option and if that person is in NE and has a bank blocking sale to prevent an unsecured loan - then they are faced with a trap they cannot get out of.

Bruthal · 12-03-2013 08:47PM

username123 wrote: »

It is the legislation enacted that is unfair.

Account should be taken of ability to pay. Someone who is already in debt, in mortgage arrears, on social welfare, redundant, retired, low income, (choose your reason) - is not going to be helped by the mounting debt plus interest of the deferral option and if that person is in NE and has a bank blocking sale to prevent an unsecured loan - then they are faced with a trap they cannot get out of.

Apparently, getting rid of sky solves all their problems.

username123 · 12-03-2013 08:53PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Apparently, getting rid of sky solves all their problems.

The sky? Window tax now is it?

Banjo String · 12-03-2013 11:10PM

relax carry on wrote: »

Just in response to the various posters here who seem to have issues with the way Revenue are implementing the property tax, how would you collect it based on the legislation enacted and limited staff resources available?

Maybe employees of the Irish revenue dept, could take a leaf from the Greek electricity suppliers book, and grow a pair?

Even the union representing electricity workers at state run company DEI has called on its members to boycott the tax, describing it as "barbaric".

Some workers have said they will refuse to carry out government orders to cut the supply to households that cannot afford to pay.

Last month the electricity employees' protest took a tougher line as they plunged the Ministry of Health into darkness for a few hours in a symbolic gesture, complaining that the ministry owed DEI more than €3.8m (£3.1m, $5m), while state institutions overall owed more than €140m in unpaid electricity bills.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16284970

The Irish history books will not be kind to the current govt, nor those carrying out the policies they've been forced to implement by faceless European billionaires.

darkhorse · 12-03-2013 11:37PM

SamHall wrote: »

So, the govt can wait on me dying is that it?

I'd say there's 50 - 60 years in me yet, and I'm not planning on croaking in the near future.

Perhaps everyone should simply wait, and pay it then.

It seems to me that it does'nt really matter one way or the other, as its all just money down a big hole, and will be unless we get back to growth. If yiz dont believe me, ask this guy:

Euro zone crisis not over, says ECB's Jens Weidmann - The ...

darkhorse · 12-03-2013 11:45PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

In short, I'd much prefer this than seeing income tax hiked again.

Well, I'd say you'll get your wish as long as this government is in power, cause there is no way that they are going ever going to raise income tax, as they would lose too much in the future. They are definitely not stupid.

clairefontaine · 12-03-2013 11:47PM

darkhorse wrote: »

Well, I'd say you'll get your wish as long as this government is in power, cause there is no way that they are going ever going to raise income tax, as they would lose too much in the future. They are definitely not stupid.

No point in raising income tax when there is no income. What percentage of this population is actually working in full time jobs?

ilovesleep · 13-03-2013 12:00AM

darkhorse wrote: »

It seems to me that it does'nt really matter one way or the other, as its all just money down a big hole, and will be unless we get back to growth. If yiz dont believe me, ask this guy:

Euro zone crisis not over, says ECB's Jens Weidmann - The ...

I was just going to write something for this thread on the same lines as this. On growth and things like that. But can't be bothered. Maybe later in the week.

Getting nothing more but contempt from the government. Am absolutely fcuking sick of it.

Stheno · 13-03-2013 12:03AM

clairefontaine wrote: »

No point in raising income tax when there is no income. What percentage of this population is actually working in full time jobs?

Of the eligible workforce about 80%?

clairefontaine · 13-03-2013 12:06AM

Stheno wrote: »

Of the eligible workforce about 80%?

No I mean the entire population, including children, one parents, retirees. I'd like that number.

It sometimes seems to me that 30% of the population is floating the whole island.

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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