Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

Rabies · 12-03-2013 02:53AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

I wonder how many passers by tripped over his bottom lip as he sulked for 45 minutes ouside the club.

I find that post extremely offensive.

Some people don't have the use of their legs any more and cannot "trip".

Please substitute the word 'trip' with 'falter' as it covers all abilities.

Thank you

Jarrod · 12-03-2013 04:41AM

Grayson wrote: »

That was terrifying. Loads of people (including me) have been waffling about fire risks, but that's just horrible.

Slightly OT, but making a quick note when you enter a place is the best idea. I always make sure to take note of at least two exits, and I'm not just talking about clubs but cinemas, restaurants etc.. I even have a precise plan should there be a fire at home and a back up in case my first route is blocked. If you're prepared and don't panic then you're giving yourself the best possible chance to get out. I remember one Dublin nightclub I was in 5ish years ago that was extremely over crowded and as far as I could make out had only two exits, right beside each other. I didn't hang around long and never went back.

Also, Orestes, fair play to you. I've worked with a lot of people going through physical rehab and it takes a serious amount of work and determination as well as countless other things. But making the decision to have that surgery, knowing that at best you'd get a shot at putting yourself through that rehab is incredible. Absolutely incredible.

12-03-2013 05:05AM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

As Graham is a musician he and his friends would know which clubs are suitable so why the hell did they choose Madison?.

I got the impression from the start that this entire debacle was one that the victim orchestrated. Anyone with any cop on would realise that a club such as the one chosen was completely inappropriate for someone in a wheelchair. I get that it's unfair that he and others in wheelchairs cannot be accommodated in that establishment but there are dozens of other clubs close by that can and would be happy to accommodate him. I bet that had he had an accident while inside the club that he would have been the first to place the blame on the club and I wonder what his plan was if a fire broke out. Would he expect others to endanger their lives in order to get him to safety.

We've all seen people turned away from clubs for absolutely no reason beyond the bouncer dating so. "Not tonight" is heard a thousand times every night and only real dicks take it personally. I bet that Graham is the kind of person who would kick up a stink and cry discrimination of such a line was directed at him. There are few things as irritating as someone who exploits their disability to get their own way and sadly in many cases the actions of the minority reflects badly on the majority. Reading through friends Facebook posts about this case and the people most critical of Graham and his tale of woe are those in wheelchairs and suffering from disabilities, which I think a lot.

osarusan · 12-03-2013 05:15AM

Big difference between a wheelchair user being refused entry because the bouncer (or management) just doesn't like them, and being refused entry because the club isn't able to accomodate them and isn't covered by that insurance.

What is interesting is the club statement saying that they welcome wheelchair users. Are we to understand that the club would let him in, even with no wheelchair accomodation, or that there actually is wheelchair accomodation in the club?

Was the bouncer simply implementing the club's policy (we just can't let them in because we can't look after them safely) or was his decision against the club's policy?

skimpydoo · 12-03-2013 05:26AM

Jarrod wrote: »

Slightly OT, but making a quick note when you enter a place is the best idea. I always make sure to take note of at least two exits, and I'm not just talking about clubs but cinemas, restaurants etc.. I even have a precise plan should there be a fire at home and a back up in case my first route is blocked. If you're prepared and don't panic then you're giving yourself the best possible chance to get out. I remember one Dublin nightclub I was in 5ish years ago that was extremely over crowded and as far as I could make out had only two exits, right beside each other. I didn't hang around long and never went back.

Also, Orestes, fair play to you. I've worked with a lot of people going through physical rehab and it takes a serious amount of work and determination as well as countless other things. But making the decision to have that surgery, knowing that at best you'd get a shot at putting yourself through that rehab is incredible. Absolutely incredible.

I was in Q bar a few years ago with some friends and around 9:30 the fire alarm went of as there was a gas leak and fire men came. Everyone had to leave so we went to a bar next door. An hour or so later we were leaving the bar we moved to and the firemen were back. By now you would have thought the management would have closed the place for the night but awhile later punters were let back in.

I vowed never to go back there again if that is how they treated their customers safety and also as it always jammers in there there would be chaos if there was a fire or gas leak.

Mr.Plough · 12-03-2013 05:31AM

Steepest set of stairs ever. I went there when it was base bar/AKA and struggled to get down them after a few pints, let alone in a fcuking wheelchair. He'd have to be carried down, which would definitely be dangerous, even more so when he has to be carried back up by people who are half cut. He definitely knew this as he's a "man about town", and the crap layout of this premises is well known.

He's also a regular in Lillies, directly across Grafton street, for the past 5+ years, and would be good friends with all of the staff and management.

Madison would be in direct competition with Lillies as far as clientele goes. Had to have been planned. Terrible if it was as the place is most likely going to shut somewhere down the line because of this with a loss of jobs etc.

The picture of him sulking outside and his line "you've just stepped in the ring with one very determined person". What an absolute pr1ck.

monkeypants · 12-03-2013 08:59AM

kidneyfan wrote: »

Yeah but they can't get into fights can they? Which is a pretty good reason for bouncers not to let drunks into nightclubs and pubs!

They can drive over people's feet and pull handbrake turns on the dancefloor.

iregk · 12-03-2013 09:23AM

Quick question. Is there a rule/law that states all pubs and nightclubs should be wheel chair accessible?

PogMoThoin · 12-03-2013 09:27AM

iregk wrote: »

Quick question. Is there a rule/law that states all pubs and nightclubs should be wheel chair accessible?

No. When applying for planning them must make a reasonable attempt to accommodate them. This is an inner city Georgian basement so got planning without. Someone quoted the exact regulations earlier in the thread, this is just a summary of it.

Kenny Logins · 12-03-2013 09:35AM

Mr.Plough wrote: »

Steepest set of stairs ever. I went there when it was base bar/AKA and struggled to get down them after a few pints, let alone in a fcuking wheelchair. He'd have to be carried down, which would definitely be dangerous, even more so when he has to be carried back up by people who are half cut. He definitely knew this as he's a "man about town", and the crap layout of this premises is well known.

He's also a regular in Lillies, directly across Grafton street, for the past 5+ years, and would be good friends with all of the staff and management.

Madison would be in direct competition with Lillies as far as clientele goes. Had to have been planned. Terrible if it was as the place is most likely going to shut somewhere down the line because of this with a loss of jobs etc.

The picture of him sulking outside and his line "you've just stepped in the ring with one very determined person". What an absolute pr1ck.

Ha! Somebody was actually promoting the 'Door Man Training' at a 'consultant level' services of a Lillie's 'security entrance engineer' right there on the Madison Facebook page.

monkeypants · 12-03-2013 09:36AM

53 pages and 792 posts and we still have no idea what happened for those 45 minutes. It's like the Watergate tapes. :pac:

padd b1975 · 12-03-2013 09:49AM

monkeypants wrote: »

53 pages and 792 posts and we still have no idea what happened for those 45 minutes. It's like the Watergate tapes. :pac:

Thats how long it took basic cop on and common sense to waft away on the night air.

wonderfullife · 12-03-2013 09:49AM

Ronan Leonard wrote: »

And the main protagonist seems to have attended various events in Dublin in different clubs so he knew dam well what he was letting himself in for.
http://www.showbiz.ie/news/february13/08-ispcc-show-was-en-seine.shtml

Deleted User wrote: »

I got the impression from the start that this entire debacle was one that the victim orchestrated. Anyone with any cop on would realise that a club such as the one chosen was completely inappropriate for someone in a wheelchair. I get that it's unfair that he and others in wheelchairs cannot be accommodated in that establishment but there are dozens of other clubs close by that can and would be happy to accommodate him. I bet that had he had an accident while inside the club that he would have been the first to place the blame on the club and I wonder what his plan was if a fire broke out. Would he expect others to endanger their lives in order to get him to safety.

We've all seen people turned away from clubs for absolutely no reason beyond the bouncer dating so. "Not tonight" is heard a thousand times every night and only real dicks take it personally. I bet that Graham is the kind of person who would kick up a stink and cry discrimination of such a line was directed at him. There are few things as irritating as someone who exploits their disability to get their own way and sadly in many cases the actions of the minority reflects badly on the majority. Reading through friends Facebook posts about this case and the people most critical of Graham and his tale of woe are those in wheelchairs and suffering from disabilities, which I think a lot.

Mr.Plough wrote: »

Steepest set of stairs ever. I went there when it was base bar/AKA and struggled to get down them after a few pints, let alone in a fcuking wheelchair. He'd have to be carried down, which would definitely be dangerous, even more so when he has to be carried back up by people who are half cut. He definitely knew this as he's a "man about town", and the crap layout of this premises is well known.

He's also a regular in Lillies, directly across Grafton street, for the past 5+ years, and would be good friends with all of the staff and management.

Madison would be in direct competition with Lillies as far as clientele goes. Had to have been planned. Terrible if it was as the place is most likely going to shut somewhere down the line because of this with a loss of jobs etc.

The picture of him sulking outside and his line "you've just stepped in the ring with one very determined person". What an absolute pr1ck.

These posts just confirm my initial thoughts.

This dude in the wheelchair embodies the "wannabe" socialite celebrity culture in the country. Gets his mug in Showbiz Ireland or probably in some Irish glossy magazines at , goes to Lillies, model girlfriend...... this incident was nothing to do with discrimination. Whether opportunistic or planned, this was about a jumped-up, self-important guy trying to make even more of a name for himself irrespective of who got hurt.

A very determined person is not someone who sits in a wheelchair acting like a baby, posing for pictures, vowing revenge through social media. A determined person is someone like our own Orestes here on Boards who showed true fcuking balls to overcome his medical problems. A determined person is someone like Mary Smith or Maureen Sullivan, complete nobodies to us, but they fought long and hard for justice over the Magdalene Laundries. Determined people are the very sick kids in Crumlin Hospital fighting tooth and nail to survive, matched only by the determination of our surgeons, doctors, nurses and parents to keep them alive.

This guy wouldn't know the meaning of the word determination even if he had a dictionary open beside his Heiny or glass of Crystal. Anyway here's the definition we need.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/twat

iregk · 12-03-2013 10:02AM

PogMoThoin wrote: »

No. When applying for planning them must make a reasonable attempt to accommodate them. This is an inner city Georgian basement so got planning without. Someone quoted the exact regulations earlier in the thread, this is just a summary of it.

OK so I'm sure this has been said before but... If it's not mandatory surely we have to accept that not every club can accommodate wheelchair user so whats the problem? This being one of those clubs.

wtlltw · 12-03-2013 10:04AM

monkeypants wrote: »

53 pages and 792 posts and we still have no idea what happened for those 45 minutes. It's like the Watergate tapes. :pac:

I'm wondering if this had been an inaccessible dentist / doctors surgery (or any other building except for a niteclub / bar) would there be the same buzz?

JRant · 12-03-2013 10:06AM

Well I for one hope that all the bouncers in Dublin got a good look at this gobsh1tes face and he's refused entry to the lot of them. The bouncer's are a tight knit bunch of lads in the city centre and i hope they don't let this go lightly. As has been said already, no excuse is needed to refuse anyone from a club so here's hoping that his "poor little old me" routine on FB comes back and bites him on the arsè.

weiland79 · 12-03-2013 10:10AM

So has there been a facebook page set up to get the bouncer his job back?

Dfmnoc · 12-03-2013 10:10AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

These posts just confirm my initial thoughts.

This dude in the wheelchair embodies the "wannabe" socialite celebrity culture in the country. Gets his mug in Showbiz Ireland or probably in some Irish glossy magazines at , goes to Lillies, model girlfriend...... this incident was nothing to do with discrimination. Whether opportunistic or planned, this was about a jumped-up, self-important guy trying to make even more of a name for himself irrespective of who got hurt.

A very determined person is not someone who sits in a wheelchair acting like a baby, posing for pictures, vowing revenge through social media. A determined person is someone like our own Orestes here on Boards who showed true fcuking balls to overcome his medical problems. A determined person is someone like Mary Smith or Maureen Sullivan, complete nobodies to us, but they fought long and hard for justice over the Magdalene Laundries. Determined people are the very sick kids in Crumlin Hospital fighting tooth and nail to survive, matched only by the determination of our surgeons, doctors, nurses and parents to keep them alive.

This guy wouldn't know the meaning of the word determination even if he had a dictionary open beside his Heiny or glass of Crystal. Anyway here's the definition we need.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/twat

well said

monkeypants · 12-03-2013 10:10AM

wtlltw wrote: »

I'm wondering if this had been an inaccessible dentist / doctors surgery (or any other building except for a niteclub / bar) would there be the same buzz?

If they didn't have a Facebook page, I'd say no.

Cienciano · 12-03-2013 10:15AM

weiland79 wrote: »

So has there been a facebook page set up to get the bouncer his job back?

Who's stopping you doing one?

Tipsy McSwagger · 12-03-2013 10:20AM

I've removed my thanks from the original post.

weiland79 · 12-03-2013 10:26AM

Cienciano wrote: »

Who's stopping you doing one?

My lack of a Facebook account is somewhat of a hindrance.

Madam_X · 12-03-2013 10:49AM

weiland79 wrote: »

My lack of a Facebook account is somewhat of a hindrance.

You don't need one.

PogMoThoin · 12-03-2013 10:50AM

Madam_X wrote: »

You don't need one.

To make a Facebook page you need to have a Facebook account

Seedy Arling · 12-03-2013 11:33AM

PogMoThoin wrote: »

To make a Facebook page you need to have a Facebook account

To make a pathetic attempt at headline grabbing you need a wheelchair and bad attitude it seems too.

johnwest288 · 12-03-2013 12:00PM

Born on the 4th of july remake :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du9R4leTCVs

Tombi! · 12-03-2013 12:01PM

Can someone sum up what happened?
I read the first page or two and now everyone is of the attitude the guy in the wheelchair was in the wrong and the bouncer should be given his job back.

tipptopper · 12-03-2013 12:03PM

Why hasn’t the doorman that was fired given his version of events, would love to hear his side of the story cause we are only getting one side of it so far.

xzanti · 12-03-2013 12:08PM

tipptopper wrote: »

Why hasn’t the doorman that was fired given his version of events, would love to hear his side of the story cause we are only getting one side of it so far.

I think he's in talks with Oprah.

The Road Runner · 12-03-2013 12:09PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Can someone sum up what happened?
I read the first page or two and now everyone is of the attitude the guy in the wheelchair was in the wrong and the bouncer should be given his job back.

I think it was because come monday morning the guy was still pushing and sharing his story after receiving an apology the day before.

Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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